From ccc19d8df290fe8b3a47f2053c3c79838dc90777 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Ed Sanders Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 22:25:01 +0000 Subject: [PATCH] Add 'href' to reply links for better compatibility with skins Change-Id: Id948d576bbe5a6d43c4f8a06cdb2cd8ad19be193 --- includes/CommentFormatter.php | 2 + ...no-paragraph-oldparser-formattedreply.html | 182 +- .../double-signature1-formattedreply.html | 40 +- .../double-signature2-formattedreply.html | 34 +- .../en-big-oldparser-formattedreply.html | 2138 ++++++++--------- .../for-parser-cache-formattedreply.html | 4 +- .../fr-unsigned-oldparser-formattedreply.html | 168 +- .../it-unsigned-oldparser-formattedreply.html | 206 +- .../pl-big-oldparser-formattedreply.html | 348 +-- .../signatures-funny-formattedreply.html | 44 +- .../unclosed-font-formattedreply.html | 144 +- .../wrappers/wrappers-formattedreply.html | 30 +- 12 files changed, 1671 insertions(+), 1669 deletions(-) diff --git a/includes/CommentFormatter.php b/includes/CommentFormatter.php index 726a6dbed..f4b8eb8cc 100644 --- a/includes/CommentFormatter.php +++ b/includes/CommentFormatter.php @@ -144,6 +144,8 @@ class CommentFormatter { $replyLink->setAttribute( 'role', 'button' ); $replyLink->setAttribute( 'tabindex', '0' ); $replyLink->setAttribute( 'data-mw-comment', $itemJSON ); + // Set empty 'href' to avoid a:not([href]) selector in MobileFrontend + $replyLink->setAttribute( 'href', '' ); $replyLink->nodeValue = wfMessage( 'discussiontools-replylink' )->inLanguage( $lang )->text(); $bracket = $doc->createElement( 'span' ); diff --git a/tests/cases/ar-no-paragraph-oldparser/ar-no-paragraph-oldparser-formattedreply.html b/tests/cases/ar-no-paragraph-oldparser/ar-no-paragraph-oldparser-formattedreply.html index 7fe5ac0b0..2a60d2329 100644 --- a/tests/cases/ar-no-paragraph-oldparser/ar-no-paragraph-oldparser-formattedreply.html +++ b/tests/cases/ar-no-paragraph-oldparser/ar-no-paragraph-oldparser-formattedreply.html @@ -20,51 +20,51 @@
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  1. مرحباً، مقالة دوال مثلثية تخضع حاليا لمراجعة الزملاء. بانتظار مشاركة المُهتمين.--Abdeldjalil09 (نقاش) 21:53، 20 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  2. أهلاً جميعاً، قائمة أعمال جيك جيلنهال مُرشَّحة لنيل وسم القائمة المُختارة هذه الصفحة--عادل فوزي (راسلني) 23:41، 24 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  3. مرحباً، كتبت خاطرةً عن استقطاب القادمين الجدد. --《 مصطفى (✉) 14:42، 25 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  4. مقالة القطيف (محافظة) تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة المختارة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 13:01، 27 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  5. مرحباً بكم، مقالة يوسف بن عبد الله الإبراهيم هي الآن في مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء لترشيحها مقالةً جيدة، يُرجى من الزملاء مراجعتها بما تيسّر. Abu aamir (نقاش) 13:36، 27 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  6. السلام عليكم، قائمة رؤساء وزراء الأردن في مرحلة الترشيح لوسم القائمة المختارة هُنا.--محمد جمال راسلني 09:30، 28 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  7. مرحبًا، هناك نقاش جار في ميدان التقنية، حول تحديث رسالة الترحيب والتوقيع المُضمّن، أرجو من المهتمين المشاركة. تحياتي للجميع. -- صالح (نقاش) 21:27، 4 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  8. سياسة مُقترحة لحماية الأطفال. بانتظار مُشاركة المجتمع. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 19:19، 5 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  9. مرحبًا، جائزة روث ليتل ساتر في الرياضيات مرشحة لنيل وسم قائمة مختارة. بانتظار مُشاركة المهتمين. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 14:05، 6 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  10. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة مذبحة القلعة من تطوير الزميل إسلام، تخضع لمراجعة الزملاء لنيل وسم مقالة جيدة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 01:35، 7 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  11. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة انسحاب المملكة المتحدة من الاتحاد الأوروبي من تطوير الزميل علاء الدين، تخضع لمراجعة الزملاء لنيل وسم مقالة مختارة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 01:35، 7 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  12. مرحباً، أدعو جميع المحررين إلى توسيع بذرة من اختيارهم وحذف قالب بذرة منها، والمُداومة على هذا العمل لعلنا نتمكن من تقليل نسبة البذور في الموسوعة. (وشكرا لكم) --أبو هشام «نقاش» 14:03، 9 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  13. مقالة شبكة خاصة افتراضية تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيدة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 21:14، 9 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  14. مقالة ألعاب الفيديو في العالم العربي تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيدة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 21:40، 9 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  15. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة إيناس دو بورغوانغ من تطوير الزميل عادل فوزي، تخضع لمراجعة الزملاء لنيل وسم مقالة جيّدة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 19:55، 11 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  16. مقالة ألوصور تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة المختارة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 22:08، 11 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  17. السلام عليكم، قائمة رؤساء وزراء الأردن في مرحلة الترشيح لوسم القائمة المختارة هُنا.--محمد جمال نقاش 05:23، 12 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  18. مقالة يوسف بن عبد الله الإبراهيم تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيدة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 21:18، 12 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  19. مرحباً! مقالة دائرة في مرحلة مُراجعة الزملاء للمقالات المختارة. بانتظارِ آرائكم ومُلاحظاتِكم.--《 مصطفى (✉) 12:10، 13 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  20. السلام عليكم، مقالة علي أبو نوار تخضع حاليًّا لمراجعة الزملاء هُنا لتنال وسم المقالة الجيدة.--محمد جمال نقاش 11:26، 14 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  21. مقالة إنجيل توما تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة المختارة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 17:20، 14 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  22. مساء الخير، أطلب كل من المتخصصين في الهندسة الكهربائية، والاتصالات، والاعلام الالي، ومسح الأراضي، مساعدتي في تطوير مقالة دوال مثلثية بأخذ بعض المعلومات من الفارسية المختارة (قسم "التطبيقات") أو إضافة معلومات مهمة المفقودة، لترشيحها كمقالة مختارة، تحياتي.
    إذا رغب أحدكم أن يُدخِل إضافات جديدة إلى المقالة، أدخلوها في ملعبي، تحياتي. -- Abdeldjalil09 (نقاش) 20:15، 14 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  23. لقد اقترحت اقتراح في الميدان/اقتراحات لتعديل الصلاحيات في الموسوعة يرجى المشاركة لمن يهمه الأمر.--Ahayad38 (نقاش) 00:38، 15 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  24. قائمة أهداف زلاتان إبراهيموفيتش الدولية مُرشحة لوسم القائمة المختارة. بانتظار رأيكم في هذه الصفحة. تحياتي.--فيصل (راسلني) 16:37، 16 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  25. السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته. هناك تصويت حول تعديل شروط إزالة صلاحية البيروقراط، أدعوكم للمشاركة بما ترونه مناسبًا. شكرا لكم. --Dr-Taher (نقاش) 18:45، 16 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  26. نُعلن تكوين فريق عمل كوفيد-19 (مرتبط بجائحة فيروس كورونا 2019). بانتظار مُشاركة المهتمين. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 19:43، 16 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  27. قائمة أهداف بيني ماكارثي الدولية مُرشحة لوسم القائمة المختارة. بانتظار رأيكم في هذه الصفحة. تحياتي.--فيصل (راسلني) 10:59، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  28. طلب وضع إعلان محلي بحاجة لمشاركةٍ مجتمعية سريعة. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 16:10، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  29. هناك اقتراح خاص بفريق عمل كوفيد-19 من يهمه الأمر يرجى المشاركة هنا.--Ahayad38 (نقاش) 18:34، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  30. سياسة حماية الأطفال تحت التصويت الآن، الرجاء المُشاركة بما ترونه مُناسبًا--باسمراسلني (☎) 19:01، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  31. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة حادثة شاوغوان من تطوير الزميل إسلام، تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيّدة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 21:28، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  32. دعوة للمشاركة حول إضافة مفتاح التصنيف لصفحات تصنيفات البلدان والجنسيات.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 11:52، 21 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  33. مرحبًا.. رسالة للمشاركين في مسابقة ويكيبيديا السعودية: قررت لجنة التحكيم تمديد فترة التقييم إلى 1 أبريل بإذن الله، ولأي استفسار؛ الرجاء طرحه هنا.. تحياتي للجميع.. --شبيب..ناقشني 18:23، 21 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  34. واجهة جديدة لدمج التعديلات المتضاربة --زكريا 01:54، 24 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  35. نقاش جارٍ في ميدان السياسات حول سياسة تسمية مقالات جديدة في الموسوعة.--MichelBakni (نقاش) 07:23، 24 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  36.  مقالة خير الدين بربروس من تطوير الزميل أسامةالفاروسي تخضع لمراجعة الزملاء لنيل وسم مقالة مختارة في هذه الصفحة.-- شَيْمَاء ناقِشني 07:42، 25 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  37. سياسة مشاريع الويكي تحت التصويت الآن، الرجاء المُشاركة بما ترونه مُناسبًا --علاء راسلني 18:29، 26 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  38. مرحبًا جميعًا، قائمة أهداف كلينت ديمبسي الدولية مُرشحة لوسم القائمة المختارة. بانتظار رأيكم في هذه الصفحة. شُكرًا. -- عبد المغيث (نقاش) 19:22، 26 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  39. السلام عليكم. دعوة لكل المحررين النشطين للمساهمة في أعمال فريق المهام الخاصة لمراجعة التعديلات المُعلَّقة لتحسين الموسوعة. أو للقيام بمراجعة 15 مقالة يوميا من هذه القائمة. شكرا لكم.--Dr-Taher (نقاش) 05:37، 27 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  40. هل هُناك من حلٍ نهائيٍّ لِمُشكلة القوالب المُضمَّنة؟--باسمراسلني (☎) 14:59، 27 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  41. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة مذبحة القلعة من تطوير الزميل إسلام، تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيّدة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 13:34، 29 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  42. تم الإعلان عن نتائج مسابقة ويكيبيديا السعودية.. تهانينا لجميع الفائزين، على أمل أن نراكم في مسابقات أخرى بإذن الله.. --شبيب..ناقشني 00:14، 31 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  43. أداة جديدة للرد في صفحات النقاش سهلة ولطيفة، بانتظار تجربتكم لها والتعليق عبر الوصلة السابقة. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 02:44، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  44. مرحبًا جميعًا، الزميل صالح مُرشح لصلاحية بيروقراط، أرجو من الزملاء المشاركة في التصويت. تحياتي.--جار الله (نقاش) 19:50، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  45. مقالة الغزوات البحرية الإسلامية على جزر المتوسط تخضع لِمُراجعة الزُملاء، أتمنى سماع مُلاحظاتكم--باسمراسلني (☎) 23:07، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  1. مرحباً، مقالة دوال مثلثية تخضع حاليا لمراجعة الزملاء. بانتظار مشاركة المُهتمين.--Abdeldjalil09 (نقاش) 21:53، 20 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  2. أهلاً جميعاً، قائمة أعمال جيك جيلنهال مُرشَّحة لنيل وسم القائمة المُختارة هذه الصفحة--عادل فوزي (راسلني) 23:41، 24 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  3. مرحباً، كتبت خاطرةً عن استقطاب القادمين الجدد. --《 مصطفى (✉) 14:42، 25 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  4. مقالة القطيف (محافظة) تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة المختارة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 13:01، 27 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  5. مرحباً بكم، مقالة يوسف بن عبد الله الإبراهيم هي الآن في مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء لترشيحها مقالةً جيدة، يُرجى من الزملاء مراجعتها بما تيسّر. Abu aamir (نقاش) 13:36، 27 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  6. السلام عليكم، قائمة رؤساء وزراء الأردن في مرحلة الترشيح لوسم القائمة المختارة هُنا.--محمد جمال راسلني 09:30، 28 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  7. مرحبًا، هناك نقاش جار في ميدان التقنية، حول تحديث رسالة الترحيب والتوقيع المُضمّن، أرجو من المهتمين المشاركة. تحياتي للجميع. -- صالح (نقاش) 21:27، 4 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  8. سياسة مُقترحة لحماية الأطفال. بانتظار مُشاركة المجتمع. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 19:19، 5 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  9. مرحبًا، جائزة روث ليتل ساتر في الرياضيات مرشحة لنيل وسم قائمة مختارة. بانتظار مُشاركة المهتمين. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 14:05، 6 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  10. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة مذبحة القلعة من تطوير الزميل إسلام، تخضع لمراجعة الزملاء لنيل وسم مقالة جيدة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 01:35، 7 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  11. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة انسحاب المملكة المتحدة من الاتحاد الأوروبي من تطوير الزميل علاء الدين، تخضع لمراجعة الزملاء لنيل وسم مقالة مختارة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 01:35، 7 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  12. مرحباً، أدعو جميع المحررين إلى توسيع بذرة من اختيارهم وحذف قالب بذرة منها، والمُداومة على هذا العمل لعلنا نتمكن من تقليل نسبة البذور في الموسوعة. (وشكرا لكم) --أبو هشام «نقاش» 14:03، 9 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  13. مقالة شبكة خاصة افتراضية تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيدة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 21:14، 9 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  14. مقالة ألعاب الفيديو في العالم العربي تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيدة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 21:40، 9 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  15. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة إيناس دو بورغوانغ من تطوير الزميل عادل فوزي، تخضع لمراجعة الزملاء لنيل وسم مقالة جيّدة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 19:55، 11 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  16. مقالة ألوصور تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة المختارة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 22:08، 11 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  17. السلام عليكم، قائمة رؤساء وزراء الأردن في مرحلة الترشيح لوسم القائمة المختارة هُنا.--محمد جمال نقاش 05:23، 12 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  18. مقالة يوسف بن عبد الله الإبراهيم تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيدة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 21:18، 12 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  19. مرحباً! مقالة دائرة في مرحلة مُراجعة الزملاء للمقالات المختارة. بانتظارِ آرائكم ومُلاحظاتِكم.--《 مصطفى (✉) 12:10، 13 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  20. السلام عليكم، مقالة علي أبو نوار تخضع حاليًّا لمراجعة الزملاء هُنا لتنال وسم المقالة الجيدة.--محمد جمال نقاش 11:26، 14 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  21. مقالة إنجيل توما تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة المختارة في هذه الصفحة--MichelBakni (نقاش) 17:20، 14 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  22. مساء الخير، أطلب كل من المتخصصين في الهندسة الكهربائية، والاتصالات، والاعلام الالي، ومسح الأراضي، مساعدتي في تطوير مقالة دوال مثلثية بأخذ بعض المعلومات من الفارسية المختارة (قسم "التطبيقات") أو إضافة معلومات مهمة المفقودة، لترشيحها كمقالة مختارة، تحياتي.
    إذا رغب أحدكم أن يُدخِل إضافات جديدة إلى المقالة، أدخلوها في ملعبي، تحياتي. -- Abdeldjalil09 (نقاش) 20:15، 14 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  23. لقد اقترحت اقتراح في الميدان/اقتراحات لتعديل الصلاحيات في الموسوعة يرجى المشاركة لمن يهمه الأمر.--Ahayad38 (نقاش) 00:38، 15 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  24. قائمة أهداف زلاتان إبراهيموفيتش الدولية مُرشحة لوسم القائمة المختارة. بانتظار رأيكم في هذه الصفحة. تحياتي.--فيصل (راسلني) 16:37، 16 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  25. السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته. هناك تصويت حول تعديل شروط إزالة صلاحية البيروقراط، أدعوكم للمشاركة بما ترونه مناسبًا. شكرا لكم. --Dr-Taher (نقاش) 18:45، 16 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  26. نُعلن تكوين فريق عمل كوفيد-19 (مرتبط بجائحة فيروس كورونا 2019). بانتظار مُشاركة المهتمين. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 19:43، 16 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  27. قائمة أهداف بيني ماكارثي الدولية مُرشحة لوسم القائمة المختارة. بانتظار رأيكم في هذه الصفحة. تحياتي.--فيصل (راسلني) 10:59، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  28. طلب وضع إعلان محلي بحاجة لمشاركةٍ مجتمعية سريعة. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 16:10، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  29. هناك اقتراح خاص بفريق عمل كوفيد-19 من يهمه الأمر يرجى المشاركة هنا.--Ahayad38 (نقاش) 18:34، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  30. سياسة حماية الأطفال تحت التصويت الآن، الرجاء المُشاركة بما ترونه مُناسبًا--باسمراسلني (☎) 19:01، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  31. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة حادثة شاوغوان من تطوير الزميل إسلام، تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيّدة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 21:28، 19 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  32. دعوة للمشاركة حول إضافة مفتاح التصنيف لصفحات تصنيفات البلدان والجنسيات.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 11:52، 21 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  33. مرحبًا.. رسالة للمشاركين في مسابقة ويكيبيديا السعودية: قررت لجنة التحكيم تمديد فترة التقييم إلى 1 أبريل بإذن الله، ولأي استفسار؛ الرجاء طرحه هنا.. تحياتي للجميع.. --شبيب..ناقشني 18:23، 21 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  34. واجهة جديدة لدمج التعديلات المتضاربة --زكريا 01:54، 24 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  35. نقاش جارٍ في ميدان السياسات حول سياسة تسمية مقالات جديدة في الموسوعة.--MichelBakni (نقاش) 07:23، 24 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  36.  مقالة خير الدين بربروس من تطوير الزميل أسامةالفاروسي تخضع لمراجعة الزملاء لنيل وسم مقالة مختارة في هذه الصفحة.-- شَيْمَاء ناقِشني 07:42، 25 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  37. سياسة مشاريع الويكي تحت التصويت الآن، الرجاء المُشاركة بما ترونه مُناسبًا --علاء راسلني 18:29، 26 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  38. مرحبًا جميعًا، قائمة أهداف كلينت ديمبسي الدولية مُرشحة لوسم القائمة المختارة. بانتظار رأيكم في هذه الصفحة. شُكرًا. -- عبد المغيث (نقاش) 19:22، 26 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  39. السلام عليكم. دعوة لكل المحررين النشطين للمساهمة في أعمال فريق المهام الخاصة لمراجعة التعديلات المُعلَّقة لتحسين الموسوعة. أو للقيام بمراجعة 15 مقالة يوميا من هذه القائمة. شكرا لكم.--Dr-Taher (نقاش) 05:37، 27 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  40. هل هُناك من حلٍ نهائيٍّ لِمُشكلة القوالب المُضمَّنة؟--باسمراسلني (☎) 14:59، 27 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  41. مرحبًا جميعًا، مقالة مذبحة القلعة من تطوير الزميل إسلام، تجاوزت مرحلة مراجعة الزملاء، وهي الآن في مرحلة التصويت لنيل وسم المقالة الجيّدة في هذه الصفحة. -- صالح (نقاش) 13:34، 29 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  42. تم الإعلان عن نتائج مسابقة ويكيبيديا السعودية.. تهانينا لجميع الفائزين، على أمل أن نراكم في مسابقات أخرى بإذن الله.. --شبيب..ناقشني 00:14، 31 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  43. أداة جديدة للرد في صفحات النقاش سهلة ولطيفة، بانتظار تجربتكم لها والتعليق عبر الوصلة السابقة. تحياتي --علاء راسلني 02:44، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  44. مرحبًا جميعًا، الزميل صالح مُرشح لصلاحية بيروقراط، أرجو من الزملاء المشاركة في التصويت. تحياتي.--جار الله (نقاش) 19:50، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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  45. مقالة الغزوات البحرية الإسلامية على جزر المتوسط تخضع لِمُراجعة الزُملاء، أتمنى سماع مُلاحظاتكم--باسمراسلني (☎) 23:07، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]


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الحرس الملكي الأردني

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مرحبًا، يمكن طبعًا استرجاع تعريف قوة خاصة أما المشاركة في الحروب المختلفة فيمكن طلب توضيح أو مصدر. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 00:08، 1 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا، يمكن طبعًا استرجاع تعريف قوة خاصة أما المشاركة في الحروب المختلفة فيمكن طلب توضيح أو مصدر. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 00:08، 1 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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أتمنى لك دوام الصحة والعافية.

لقد لاحظت أن بيننا اهتماماً مشتركاً في ما يتعلق بمقالات الجيش العربي أسلحته وما إلى ذلك؛ وبحكم أنك صاحب خبرة في ويكيبيديا وأنك محرر ومسترجع فأنا أعرض عليك مشروعاً مشتركاً لتطوير مقالات الجيش العربي إلى أن تصبح له بوابة مستقلة، إذا أردت ذلك. وسأكون سعيداً بذلك زي التعلم من خبرتك الطويلة، كما أني أعدك أن ترى مني عملاً جميلاً وجهداً قلّ نظيره. أنتظر ردك الكريم! -

>>أتمنى عليك قبل أن تسترجع أي تعديل لي في مقالات الجيش العربي أن تستفسر عن ذلك. الرشيد (نقاش) 12:17، 6 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

>>أتمنى عليك قبل أن تسترجع أي تعديل لي في مقالات الجيش العربي أن تستفسر عن ذلك. الرشيد (نقاش) 12:17، 6 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

رد: داعش أم الدولة

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مرحبتين. أنا بخير والحمد لله. من حيث المبدأ لا شيء رسمي يمنع استخدام هذا الاسم أو ذاك. أذكر أنَّ نقاشًا تحوَّل لجدال جرى مُنذ بضع سنوات قال فيه البعض أنه يُحبذ تسمية داعش كي لا يُلصق هذا التنظيم بالإسلام وأن بعض وسائل الإعلام تتعمَّد الإشارة إلى «الدولة الإسلاميَّة» للإساءة إلى الدين الإسلامي وأنَّ هذا غير مقبول، والبعض قال علينا استعمال الاسم الرسمي الذي يعتمده التنظيم فيكون بالتالي الدولة الإسلاميَّة، والبعض قال يجب استعمال الاسم الشائع المُتداول على ألسنة الناس، فهو داعش. شخصيًّا أميل لاعتماد داعش كي لا تكون الموسوعة مُجرَّد بوق إعلامي آخر. تحيَّاتي--باسمراسلني (☎) 05:43، 7 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبتين. أنا بخير والحمد لله. من حيث المبدأ لا شيء رسمي يمنع استخدام هذا الاسم أو ذاك. أذكر أنَّ نقاشًا تحوَّل لجدال جرى مُنذ بضع سنوات قال فيه البعض أنه يُحبذ تسمية داعش كي لا يُلصق هذا التنظيم بالإسلام وأن بعض وسائل الإعلام تتعمَّد الإشارة إلى «الدولة الإسلاميَّة» للإساءة إلى الدين الإسلامي وأنَّ هذا غير مقبول، والبعض قال علينا استعمال الاسم الرسمي الذي يعتمده التنظيم فيكون بالتالي الدولة الإسلاميَّة، والبعض قال يجب استعمال الاسم الشائع المُتداول على ألسنة الناس، فهو داعش. شخصيًّا أميل لاعتماد داعش كي لا تكون الموسوعة مُجرَّد بوق إعلامي آخر. تحيَّاتي--باسمراسلني (☎) 05:43، 7 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

حذف سريع لـ تبديل محتوى/شرح

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة تبديل محتوى/شرح التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 16:54، 10 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة تبديل محتوى/شرح التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 16:54، 10 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

تهانينا

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تهانينا لك
Khaled
تستحق هذا الوسام
لحصولك على المركز الأول
بعدد مراجعة التعديلات المعلقة
شكراً لجهودك.
مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربية
6:45، 13 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)

طلبات مراجعة المقالات

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مرحبا Khaled ...توجد عديد من طلبات مراجعة المقالات لم تراجع من قبل محررين ..يرجى مراجعتها و شكرا --Tik Tik (نقاش) 15:58، 15 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبا Khaled ...توجد عديد من طلبات مراجعة المقالات لم تراجع من قبل محررين ..يرجى مراجعتها و شكرا --Tik Tik (نقاش) 15:58، 15 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

طلب / قبول تعديلات معلقة

تحياتي لك اخي العزيز ارجو قبول التعديلات المعلقة في مقالة معركة عنبتا مع الشكر -تحياتي لك--Anabta.pal (نقاش) 16:36، 19 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +تحياتي لك--Anabta.pal (نقاش) 16:36، 19 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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مرحبا من جديد Khaled ...هناك طلبات مراجعة المقالات جديدة..يرجى منك مراجعتها و شكرا.--Tik Tik (نقاش) 21:00، 19 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبا من جديد Khaled ...هناك طلبات مراجعة المقالات جديدة..يرجى منك مراجعتها و شكرا.--Tik Tik (نقاش) 21:00، 19 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

تهانينا

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تهانينا لك
Khaled
تستحق هذا الوسام
لحصولك على المركز الثالث
بعدد التعديلات هذا الأسبوع
شكراً لجهودك.
مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربية
7:04، 20 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)

ملاحظة

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مرحبا، أليس الأفضل تسمية شرم كوكتيل بكوكتيل الجمبري؟ --Mervat ناقش 09:55، 20 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبا، أليس الأفضل تسمية شرم كوكتيل بكوكتيل الجمبري؟ --Mervat ناقش 09:55، 20 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

مراجعة المقالات

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السلام عليكم. لاحظت قيامك بوسم هذه المقالة بالمراجعة، في حين أنها "ترجمة آلية" وتحتاج إلى تصويبات كثيرة، على سبيل المثال: المقالة تتحدث عن إمرأة وورد فيها (كان طبيبًا أرجنتينيًا ، ومصلحا ، وفريثينكر بارزًا)، وأيضا عبارة (أنفقت غريرسون طفولتها المبكرة على استصلاح عائلتها في مقاطعة إنتري )! وغيرها من العبارات التي تحتاج إلى إصلاح. لذا أرجو إما ان توجه من أنشأ المقالة إلى إصلاحها او تقوم بهذه الإصلاحات قبل وسم المقالة بالمراجعة. شكرا لك. --Dr-Taher (نقاش) 12:55، 20 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

السلام عليكم. لاحظت قيامك بوسم هذه المقالة بالمراجعة، في حين أنها "ترجمة آلية" وتحتاج إلى تصويبات كثيرة، على سبيل المثال: المقالة تتحدث عن إمرأة وورد فيها (كان طبيبًا أرجنتينيًا ، ومصلحا ، وفريثينكر بارزًا)، وأيضا عبارة (أنفقت غريرسون طفولتها المبكرة على استصلاح عائلتها في مقاطعة إنتري )! وغيرها من العبارات التي تحتاج إلى إصلاح. لذا أرجو إما ان توجه من أنشأ المقالة إلى إصلاحها او تقوم بهذه الإصلاحات قبل وسم المقالة بالمراجعة. شكرا لك. --Dr-Taher (نقاش) 12:55، 20 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

تهانينا

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تهانينا لك
Khaled
تستحق هذا الوسام
لحصولك على المركز الأول
بعدد مراجعة التعديلات المعلقة
شكراً لجهودك.
مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربية
6:45، 27 أغسطس 2018 (ت ع م)

حذف سريع لـ الرمح السحرية

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة الرمح السحرية التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 17:48، 4 سبتمبر 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة الرمح السحرية التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 17:48، 4 سبتمبر 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

حذف سريع لـ بوابة:هامبورغ/معلم مختارة

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة بوابة:هامبورغ/معلم مختارة التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 15:30، 10 أكتوبر 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة بوابة:هامبورغ/معلم مختارة التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 15:30، 10 أكتوبر 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

مراجعة المقالات-2

السلام عليكم. طالعت تاريخ مقالة تكرسيفت (أسكجور) فوجدت أنك قد وسمت هذا التعديل بالقبول! هل ترى أنه مناسب؟ أرجو مراعاة الدقة في وسم المقالات ومراجعتها لأنه غالبا لن يقوم أحد بالمراجعة بعدك لكونك محررا. -ملحوظة: أرسلت لك رسالة شبيهة أعلاه ولكن لم أتلقى منك ردا حولها. شكرا لك. --Dr-Taher (نقاش) 22:07، 2 ديسمبر 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +ملحوظة: أرسلت لك رسالة شبيهة أعلاه ولكن لم أتلقى منك ردا حولها. شكرا لك. --Dr-Taher (نقاش) 22:07، 2 ديسمبر 2018 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

حذف سريع لـ بوابة:ديناصورات

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة بوابة:ديناصورات التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 21:06، 4 يناير 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة بوابة:ديناصورات التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 21:06، 4 يناير 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

حذف سريع لـ بوابة:شركات/مصطلح تجاري/أرشيف

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة بوابة:شركات/مصطلح تجاري/أرشيف التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 13:37، 1 مارس 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة بوابة:شركات/مصطلح تجاري/أرشيف التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 13:37، 1 مارس 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

حذف سريع لـ قالب:IT-PUG

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة قالب:IT-PUG التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 17:02، 12 مارس 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة قالب:IT-PUG التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. JarBot (نقاش) 17:02، 12 مارس 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

أهلًا بعودتك..

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أهلًا وسهلًا أخي خالد.. سعدت جدًا لرؤيتك في أحدث التغييرات.. أرجو أن تكون بتمام الصحة والعافية.. ☺ --شبيب..ناقشني 21:18، 15 سبتمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

أهلًا وسهلًا أخي خالد.. سعدت جدًا لرؤيتك في أحدث التغييرات.. أرجو أن تكون بتمام الصحة والعافية.. ☺ --شبيب..ناقشني 21:18، 15 سبتمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

تهانينا

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5:20، 23 سبتمبر 2019 (ت ع م)

حذف سريع لـ Neubaufahrzeug

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة Neubaufahrzeug التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. --FPP نــــاقــــشــــهُ 19:22، 26 سبتمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة Neubaufahrzeug التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. --FPP نــــاقــــشــــهُ 19:22، 26 سبتمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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OOjs UI icon info big progressive.svg ملحوظة: تجنب التعديلات غير المهمة أو التي لا تضيف شيئًا أو لا معنى لها مثل: التعديلات التجميلية أو إضافة فراغ أو استبدال بعض الحروف أو ما شابه ذلك من التعديلات والتي تستهلك موارد النظام وبالعادة تكون غير مجدية. يتم إزالة اسمك من قائمة مستخدمي البرنامج في حالة عدم استخدامه لمدة 6 شهور أو في حالة إساءة استخدامه، وقد يترتب على إساءة الاستخدام منعك أيضًا. يُمكنك إضافة قالب {{مستخدم أوب}} في صفحتك الشخصية. بالتوفيق!

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--Dr-Taher (نقاش) 00:57، 8 أكتوبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

--Dr-Taher (نقاش) 00:57، 8 أكتوبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

تدقيق الترجمة

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مرحبًا خالد، الترجمة الصحيحة لمصطلح imagery intelligence هي الاستخبارات التصويرية وليس ذكاء الصور.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 18:22، 11 أكتوبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد، الترجمة الصحيحة لمصطلح imagery intelligence هي الاستخبارات التصويرية وليس ذكاء الصور.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 18:22، 11 أكتوبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

تهانينا

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مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربية
5:20، 14 أكتوبر 2019 (ت ع م)

مقالة Rotterdamsche Droogdok Maatschappi

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اتمنى منك تغيير اسم المقالة باللغة العربية.--بندر (نقاش) 19:22، 17 أكتوبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

اتمنى منك تغيير اسم المقالة باللغة العربية.--بندر (نقاش) 19:22، 17 أكتوبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

تهانينا

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تهانينا لك
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مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربية
5:20، 21 أكتوبر 2019 (ت ع م)

شارة الحزب الذهبية

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مرحبًا خالد، الوصف golden يعود على كلمة شارة Zeichen لأنه ينتهي بحرفي es وهو تصريف الصفة مع الاسم الذي أداته das، أما Partei أداتها die. إذا كانت الصفة golden وصفًا للحزب ستكون العبارة كالتالي goldene Partei. ومن المعتاد في الألمانية جمع كلمتين أو أكثر في كلمة واحدة، وأداة الكلمة تصبح أداة الاسم الأخير وهو Zeichen. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 21:40، 11 نوفمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد، الوصف golden يعود على كلمة شارة Zeichen لأنه ينتهي بحرفي es وهو تصريف الصفة مع الاسم الذي أداته das، أما Partei أداتها die. إذا كانت الصفة golden وصفًا للحزب ستكون العبارة كالتالي goldene Partei. ومن المعتاد في الألمانية جمع كلمتين أو أكثر في كلمة واحدة، وأداة الكلمة تصبح أداة الاسم الأخير وهو Zeichen. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 21:40، 11 نوفمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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5:21، 2 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)

أسماء التصنيفات

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مرحبًا يا خالد، ملاحظة حول أسماء التصنيفات، تبدأ الأسماء مرفوعة وليس منصوبة أو مجرورة، فالتصنيف الذي أنشأته الآن يجب أن يسمى "المتعاونون الدنماركيون مع ألمانيا النازية".--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 21:44، 3 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا يا خالد، ملاحظة حول أسماء التصنيفات، تبدأ الأسماء مرفوعة وليس منصوبة أو مجرورة، فالتصنيف الذي أنشأته الآن يجب أن يسمى "المتعاونون الدنماركيون مع ألمانيا النازية".--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 21:44، 3 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

ملاحظات لغوية

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مرحبًا خالد، انظر هذا التعديل، "عبارة عن" هو تعبير محل نقد، ستجد ملاحظة عنه في قائمة الملاحظات اللغوية المعروضة في الصفحة الرئيسية. وانظر تكتب بهمزة وصل وليس "أنظر". مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 21:41، 4 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد، انظر هذا التعديل، "عبارة عن" هو تعبير محل نقد، ستجد ملاحظة عنه في قائمة الملاحظات اللغوية المعروضة في الصفحة الرئيسية. وانظر تكتب بهمزة وصل وليس "أنظر". مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 21:41، 4 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

رايخسوميسار

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صباح الخير خالد، ما مصدر التعريب "رايخسوميسار"؟ أجد أنك كررت التعريب بهذا النطق. لذلك أرغب في معرفة مصدره.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 00:42، 9 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

صباح الخير خالد، ما مصدر التعريب "رايخسوميسار"؟ أجد أنك كررت التعريب بهذا النطق. لذلك أرغب في معرفة مصدره.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 00:42، 9 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

تهانينا

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تهانينا لك
Khaled
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مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربية
5:20، 9 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)

ملاحظة حول التعريب

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مرحبًا خالد مرة أخرى، يمكنني المساعدة في تصحيح النطق الألماني دائمًا ولا يزعجني ذلك أو يثقل علي، لكن لو كنت مهتمًا، أعتقد أنك ستجد أن تعلم قراءة النص الألماني هو أمر سهل، أسهل من الإنجليزية والفرنسية ولغات أخرى. الحروف لها نطق ثابت، وجميع الحروف تنطق، ويمكنك هجاء كلمة بمجرد سماعها دون أن تكون عارف بها من قبل مثل العربية. وهناك مواقع مجانية كثيرة تمكنك من تعلم الألمانية عمومًا، وأنت فقط ربما تحتاج لتعلم نطق الكلمات. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 20:15، 12 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد مرة أخرى، يمكنني المساعدة في تصحيح النطق الألماني دائمًا ولا يزعجني ذلك أو يثقل علي، لكن لو كنت مهتمًا، أعتقد أنك ستجد أن تعلم قراءة النص الألماني هو أمر سهل، أسهل من الإنجليزية والفرنسية ولغات أخرى. الحروف لها نطق ثابت، وجميع الحروف تنطق، ويمكنك هجاء كلمة بمجرد سماعها دون أن تكون عارف بها من قبل مثل العربية. وهناك مواقع مجانية كثيرة تمكنك من تعلم الألمانية عمومًا، وأنت فقط ربما تحتاج لتعلم نطق الكلمات. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 20:15، 12 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

تلميح للنطق ألماني

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إليك هذا التلميح البسيط: أي كلمة ألمانية (اسم أو فعل) ينتهي بحرف e تنطق بنطق حرف هاء في آخرها. مثال Ich mache إش ماخه، ولا تعرب إش ماخ، وتعني أنا أفعل. وفي هذا المثال يلاحظ أن كلمة mach ماخ، دون حرف e هي فعل الأمر من machen. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 22:57، 12 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

إليك هذا التلميح البسيط: أي كلمة ألمانية (اسم أو فعل) ينتهي بحرف e تنطق بنطق حرف هاء في آخرها. مثال Ich mache إش ماخه، ولا تعرب إش ماخ، وتعني أنا أفعل. وفي هذا المثال يلاحظ أن كلمة mach ماخ، دون حرف e هي فعل الأمر من machen. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 22:57، 12 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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5:21، 16 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)

تشكيل متعاون

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مرحبًا خالد، أعتقد أن الوصف الأفضل للوحدات المتعاونة مع النازية هو وحدات متعاونة وليس وحدات تعاونية، مثلما يقال وحدات متحالفة وليس وحدات تحالفية. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 20:53، 17 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد، أعتقد أن الوصف الأفضل للوحدات المتعاونة مع النازية هو وحدات متعاونة وليس وحدات تعاونية، مثلما يقال وحدات متحالفة وليس وحدات تحالفية. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 20:53، 17 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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5:20، 23 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)

التنوين على الحرف المنون

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مرحبًا خالد، التنوين في مسؤولةً هو على التاء المربوطة وليس على اللام؛ الحرف المنون هو التاء المربوطة. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 01:07، 28 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد، التنوين في مسؤولةً هو على التاء المربوطة وليس على اللام؛ الحرف المنون هو التاء المربوطة. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 01:07، 28 ديسمبر 2019 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

اسم تصنيف

مرحباً خالد، ما رأيك بنقل التصنيف "تصنيف:قوائم الوزراء - رئيس الدول الألمانية" إلى تصنيف:قوائم رؤساء وزراء الولايات الألمانية أو حتّى إلى تصنيف:قوائم رؤساء حكومات الولايات الألمانية؟ حيث أن الاسم الحالي غير صحيحاً لا لغوياً ولا من حيث المعنى. ألمانيا لا تحوي دول وإنما ولايات وقادة هذه الولايات يسمون رؤساء وزراء وليس وزراء - رئيس. تحياتي -Marksman003 (نقاش) 16:12، 5 يناير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +Marksman003 (نقاش) 16:12، 5 يناير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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5:21، 17 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)

حذف سريع لـ

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة ' التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع'، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. --مصعب العبود (نقاش) 14:13، 19 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة ' التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع'، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف في أقرب وقت ممكن. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال هذه الصفحة -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. --مصعب العبود (نقاش) 14:13، 19 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

حذف سريع لـ طباع حجريون ألمان

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة طباع حجريون ألمان التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف عن قريب. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال صفحة طلبات الاسترجاع -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. -- JarBot (نقاش) 14:36، 19 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة طباع حجريون ألمان التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف عن قريب. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال صفحة طلبات الاسترجاع -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. -- JarBot (نقاش) 14:36، 19 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

دعوة للتدقيق

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مرحبًا خالد، طالع مقالة لجنة شيدر مرة أخرى. المقدمة تتضمن الكثير من الأخطاء اللغوية، حاول أن تقرأها وتصحح الأخطاء بها. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 14:57، 20 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد، طالع مقالة لجنة شيدر مرة أخرى. المقدمة تتضمن الكثير من الأخطاء اللغوية، حاول أن تقرأها وتصحح الأخطاء بها. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 14:57، 20 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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5:20، 24 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)

تعريب عناوين المقالات

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مرحبًا،أرجو أن تعرب أسماء هذه المقالات إلى اللغة العربية لأنها مخالفة لسياسة الموسوعة، Strafbataillon، Weihnachten، Kurmark، وأظن أنك تعرف هذا كونك محررًا!! تحياتي ---- ندى راسلني 22:19، 28 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا،أرجو أن تعرب أسماء هذه المقالات إلى اللغة العربية لأنها مخالفة لسياسة الموسوعة، Strafbataillon، Weihnachten، Kurmark، وأظن أنك تعرف هذا كونك محررًا!! تحياتي ---- ندى راسلني 22:19، 28 فبراير 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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5:20، 9 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)

حذف سريع لـ بوابة:ليفربول

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تم إضافة وسم على بوابة:ليفربول يطلب فيه أن يتم شطبه من ويكيبيديا. وتم ذلك إتباعا لقسم P2 لمعايير الحذف السريع، وذلك لأنها بوابة مبنية على مضوع ليس له مقالة رئيسية ليست بذرة، ولا يوجد على الأقل ثلاثة مقالة تفصيلية ليست بذور يمكن مناقشتها تحت عنوان موقع البوابة. -- - مع تحياتي - وهراني 21:01، 11 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +
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تم إضافة وسم على بوابة:ليفربول يطلب فيه أن يتم شطبه من ويكيبيديا. وتم ذلك إتباعا لقسم P2 لمعايير الحذف السريع، وذلك لأنها بوابة مبنية على مضوع ليس له مقالة رئيسية ليست بذرة، ولا يوجد على الأقل ثلاثة مقالة تفصيلية ليست بذور يمكن مناقشتها تحت عنوان موقع البوابة. -- - مع تحياتي - وهراني 21:01، 11 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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مرحبًا خالد، هلا أكملت ترجمة قائمة الغاولايتر إن نصفها غير مترجم، تحياتي لك. ---- ندى راسلني 00:23، 16 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد، هلا أكملت ترجمة قائمة الغاولايتر إن نصفها غير مترجم، تحياتي لك. ---- ندى راسلني 00:23، 16 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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5:20، 16 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)

حذف سريع لـ Deutsche Forschungsanstalt für Segelflug

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مرحبًا. تم ترشيح الصفحة Deutsche Forschungsanstalt für Segelflug التي قمتَ بإنشائها للحذف السريع؛ وذلك بسبب أنها مستوفية لواحد أو أكثر من معايير الحذف السريع، وهذا يعني أن الصفحة ستُحذف عن قريب. إذا كان لديك اعتراض على عملية الترشيح، يُمكنك إضافة أي نقاط هامة في صفحة نقاش المقالة، أو يُمكنك طلب استرجاعها إذا تم حذفها من خلال صفحة طلبات الاسترجاع -إذا كنتَ متأكدًا أن الصفحة غير مخالفة-. شكرًا لك. -- JarBot (نقاش) 13:30، 20 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

إصلاح ترجمة

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مساء الخير خالد، من مقالة موسيقى زنجية، "وشمل هذا المعرض ملصق عرض والكرتون كاريكاتير من اللعب من أصل إفريقي الذكور على ساكسفون مع نجمة داود على موقعه سهرة طية صدر السترة". المطلوب إصلاح هذه الترجمة. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 11:15، 21 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مساء الخير خالد، من مقالة موسيقى زنجية، "وشمل هذا المعرض ملصق عرض والكرتون كاريكاتير من اللعب من أصل إفريقي الذكور على ساكسفون مع نجمة داود على موقعه سهرة طية صدر السترة". المطلوب إصلاح هذه الترجمة. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 11:15، 21 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربية
5:20، 23 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)

المقالات الألمانية

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مرحبا أخي خالد. إن شاءالله تكون بألف خير. هناك أخطاء في اسم المقالات الألمانية التي أنشأتها مؤخرا فإن لم يكن لديك مانع سأقوم بنقلها للإسم الصحيح. بالطبع لا داعي للاستعجال ويمكننا مناقشتها واحدة تلو الأخرى. تحياتي--عباس 18:41، 24 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبا أخي خالد. إن شاءالله تكون بألف خير. هناك أخطاء في اسم المقالات الألمانية التي أنشأتها مؤخرا فإن لم يكن لديك مانع سأقوم بنقلها للإسم الصحيح. بالطبع لا داعي للاستعجال ويمكننا مناقشتها واحدة تلو الأخرى. تحياتي--عباس 18:41، 24 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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تهنئةً لك Khaled من مجتمعِ ويكيبيديا، مُنِحت هذا الوسام تقديرًا من المجتمع لعملك الدؤوب ولأنك تجاوزت الخمسين ألف تعديل في ويكيبيديا العربية. شُكرًا لك وراجين الاستمرار بالعطاء.
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كرونة

السلام خالد، أرجو أن تكون بخير. عندي طلب لو أمكن : هل من الممكن إنشاء بوابة:جائحة فيروس كورونا 2019–20 هذا سيسهل ربط المعلومات بينها. شكرا جزيلا --Helmoony (نقاش) 21:28، 29 مارس 2020 (ت ع م) -المعذرة خالد، يبدو أنه وقع إنشاء البوابة ولكن لم يتم نشرها بالقدر الكافي بوابة:كوفيد-19. --Helmoony (نقاش) 13:33، 30 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +المعذرة خالد، يبدو أنه وقع إنشاء البوابة ولكن لم يتم نشرها بالقدر الكافي بوابة:كوفيد-19. --Helmoony (نقاش) 13:33، 30 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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5:21، 30 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)

نسخ تعديل

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مرحبًا خالد، يمكنك نقل الجزء الذي ترجمته في قسم SS بنفسك إلى مقالة كارل فرايهر ميشيل فون توسلينج حتى يحفظ باسمك. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 12:54، 31 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد، يمكنك نقل الجزء الذي ترجمته في قسم SS بنفسك إلى مقالة كارل فرايهر ميشيل فون توسلينج حتى يحفظ باسمك. مع التحية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 12:54، 31 مارس 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

قوائم الكتب

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مرحبًا خالد، قوائم الكتب التي تضاف مراجع في المقالات من الغالب إبقاؤها بلغاتها الأصلية دون ترجمة ليتيسر الوصول إليها، دون الحاجة للذهاب للمقالة الإنجليزية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 18:06، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا خالد، قوائم الكتب التي تضاف مراجع في المقالات من الغالب إبقاؤها بلغاتها الأصلية دون ترجمة ليتيسر الوصول إليها، دون الحاجة للذهاب للمقالة الإنجليزية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 18:06، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

الاختصارات الإنجليزية

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مرحبًا مجددًا، ملاحظة أخرى حول ميثاق حزب العمال الكوري، الكثيرون سيرون أن الاختصارات الإنجليزية لكيانات ومنظمات غير إنجليزية تعد زائدة ويجب حذفها. كما أن المقالة تتضمن خطأ في ترجمة عنوان قسم. أرجو تقبل الملاحظة.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 23:24، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ] +

مرحبًا مجددًا، ملاحظة أخرى حول ميثاق حزب العمال الكوري، الكثيرون سيرون أن الاختصارات الإنجليزية لكيانات ومنظمات غير إنجليزية تعد زائدة ويجب حذفها. كما أن المقالة تتضمن خطأ في ترجمة عنوان قسم. أرجو تقبل الملاحظة.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 23:24، 1 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]

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مرحبًا مجددًا، وجدت الانقسام الصيني السوفيتي بها ترجمة عناوين المصادر الإنجليزية واستخدام الاختصارات الإنجليزية أيضًا.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 13:25، 2 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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هناك اختصار USSR في مقدمة المقالة، والمراجع المترجمة يجب نسخها بأسمائها الأجنبية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 13:35، 2 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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شكرًا لك.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 13:50، 2 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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مرحبًا مجددًا، وجدت الانقسام الصيني السوفيتي بها ترجمة عناوين المصادر الإنجليزية واستخدام الاختصارات الإنجليزية أيضًا.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 13:25، 2 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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هناك اختصار USSR في مقدمة المقالة، والمراجع المترجمة يجب نسخها بأسمائها الأجنبية.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 13:35، 2 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
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شكرًا لك.--محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح (نقاش) 13:50، 2 أبريل 2020 (ت ع م)[ردّ]
the caption on the image on the right here is hilarious. --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:26, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
I'm so bad with tech, I feel like a wonder of the ancient world myself --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:44, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Put the template on your userpage then! DuncanHill (talk) 13:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
 Done --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The image is called as a template Template:Ancient seven wonders timeline.svg. The wording is generated from the title of the page using it, and that in the template. DuncanHill (talk) 11:38, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Ahhhh! Thanks. Fixed it. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:47, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Glad to have helped. The curly brackets were the clew. {{This is a template, not a file}} DuncanHill (talk) 11:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I missed that, because I'm a newbie technical buffoon. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:50, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
In your defense, it's a little confusing to include ".svg" in the template name. A search finds around 50 such templates. All the examined were created by Cmglee. A few of them have been moved to avoid confusion, e.g. [20]. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:49, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
Hi PrimeHunter, Apologies for confusing editors with the extension. I think having it is useful as it informs editors that, unlike other templates, it's purely an image thumbnail. Furthermore, it gives the image type (extension). Finally, the exact filename of the image is there, should anyone want to go directly to the image page. Thanks for helping out Dweller, regardless. cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 17:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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My ego thanks you for giving it a nice excuse. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:20, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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--> the caption on the image on the right here is hilarious. --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:26, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm so bad with tech, I feel like a wonder of the ancient world myself --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:44, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Put the template on your userpage then! DuncanHill (talk) 13:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
 Done --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edit filter to address Visual Editor bug (or common user error)

When a user drafts content with references in a sandbox, if using the Visual Editor it is necessary to enter edit mode before copying in order to retain the references. If the user doesn't copy from edit mode, the superscript links will be retained, but they will be links back to the original page (where the footnote anchor would be) without the reference itself. You can see an example of this in my sandbox:

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It would be useful to have an edit filter or some other way to indicate when this happens. This is something I always tell new users, but which people very regularly forget about, just to introduce improperly formatted content into an article when trying to copy out of a sandbox. It seems like this could be easily detected by looking for superscript tags around a link to a different page. (Another common sign this happened is that "[edit]" appears inside a heading). Ideally, this would notify the user when they try to save, but an edit filter could be useful, too. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

It would be useful to have an edit filter or some other way to indicate when this happens. This is something I always tell new users, but which people very regularly forget about, just to introduce improperly formatted content into an article when trying to copy out of a sandbox. It seems like this could be easily detected by looking for superscript tags around a link to a different page. (Another common sign this happened is that "[edit]" appears inside a heading). Ideally, this would notify the user when they try to save, but an edit filter could be useful, too. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Rhododendrites: I suggest you move this to Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested - where the volunteers that write filters can better asses it. It is possible to just make a "warn" filter as well. — xaosflux Talk 17:19, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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@Rhododendrites: I suggest you move this to Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested - where the volunteers that write filters can better asses it. It is possible to just make a "warn" filter as well. — xaosflux Talk 17:19, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template transclusion check down

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Is it only for me or it is down? Here I get errors, and when trying to change language too. Please ping me, I don't want this page in watchlist because there are many changes... --Obsuser (talk) 21:58, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

Is it only for me or it is down? Here I get errors, and when trying to change language too. Please ping me, I don't want this page in watchlist because there are many changes... --Obsuser (talk) 21:58, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replacement of character references with actual characters

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The replacements are concerning to me especially given they include characters in Private Use Areas, which IMHO are best left as references (frankly I don't think they should ever be used in articles in the first place, but still). And even if it was justified, wouldn't it fall under WP:COSMETICBOT? Nardog (talk) 21:50, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

The replacements are concerning to me especially given they include characters in Private Use Areas, which IMHO are best left as references (frankly I don't think they should ever be used in articles in the first place, but still). And even if it was justified, wouldn't it fall under WP:COSMETICBOT? Nardog (talk) 21:50, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Greetings! I was actually wondering whether I should be keeping Private Use Area HTML entities as they are. In my browser, I can see the Unicode point number of characters I don't have fonts for, but I'm not sure about other editors. This began as part of a spell checking and Manual of Style compliance project. I'm trying to bundle HTML entity cleanup with any punctuation cleanup on the same articles, so there aren't a bunch of minor commits. Right now I'm working on a list of only about 5,000 articles; in some cases, the HTML entities represent breakage so there's reader-visible cleanup to do, but you're right it's often only editor-visible. I've been getting occasional thanks for the entity cleanup, though; where done right it makes the wikitext a lot more readable, especially to editors who don't know HTML. (For example, café is a lot easier to read and edit than cafÉ.) I had a conversation with some MOS editors before starting this, and there was a strong consensus in favor of converting numeric HTML entities where possible, unless the result would be confusing, and I made a list of confusing situations to exclude. Unfortunately, Unicode is a huge place and no one thought about potential problems with combining characters (I'm leaving those alone after editors on some Arabic-langugage-related pages rightfully complained) or the private use area or a handful of other things where I'm trying to building bottom-up consensus. I'm leaning toward PUA characters being too confusing to convert, so I'll add them to my exclusion list unless someone here would much rather see real characters than numeric entities? Ah, I see Template:PUA actually says not to convert them; that's also a page that will probably give a comprehensive list of articles they are used in, if anyone wants to go around pruning any unnecessary ones. -- Beland (talk) 23:14, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Greetings! I was actually wondering whether I should be keeping Private Use Area HTML entities as they are. In my browser, I can see the Unicode point number of characters I don't have fonts for, but I'm not sure about other editors. This began as part of a spell checking and Manual of Style compliance project. I'm trying to bundle HTML entity cleanup with any punctuation cleanup on the same articles, so there aren't a bunch of minor commits. Right now I'm working on a list of only about 5,000 articles; in some cases, the HTML entities represent breakage so there's reader-visible cleanup to do, but you're right it's often only editor-visible. I've been getting occasional thanks for the entity cleanup, though; where done right it makes the wikitext a lot more readable, especially to editors who don't know HTML. (For example, café is a lot easier to read and edit than cafÉ.) I had a conversation with some MOS editors before starting this, and there was a strong consensus in favor of converting numeric HTML entities where possible, unless the result would be confusing, and I made a list of confusing situations to exclude. Unfortunately, Unicode is a huge place and no one thought about potential problems with combining characters (I'm leaving those alone after editors on some Arabic-langugage-related pages rightfully complained) or the private use area or a handful of other things where I'm trying to building bottom-up consensus. I'm leaning toward PUA characters being too confusing to convert, so I'll add them to my exclusion list unless someone here would much rather see real characters than numeric entities? Ah, I see Template:PUA actually says not to convert them; that's also a page that will probably give a comprehensive list of articles they are used in, if anyone wants to go around pruning any unnecessary ones. -- Beland (talk) 23:14, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Phantom edit: notifications and watchlist not updating

Greetings, I just discovered that an edit to a page I have watchlisted (Special:Diff/906832193) is apparently a phantom, as it did not appear on my watchlist and the ping did not trigger a notification. I already checked that the ping was done correctly, my preferences enable me to be notified by said ping, and that the page is indeed on my watchlist. Also, my watchlist has updates later than this edit, and I got notifications as recently as yesterday and have not knowingly changed any settings since. None of this explains the conspicuous absence of this edit from both my watchlist and notifications. -

I therefore ask: has anyone else experienced such a problem, and is there a solution that either I have overlooked or can be implemented by a "reset" of preferences? Thanks, ComplexRational (talk) 18:58, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

I therefore ask: has anyone else experienced such a problem, and is there a solution that either I have overlooked or can be implemented by a "reset" of preferences? Thanks, ComplexRational (talk) 18:58, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Addendum: The edit in question is also not listed in the project's recent changes feed, probably suggesting that the problem is not on my end. ComplexRational (talk) 19:43, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
For the watchlist, I believe it is the same issue that was resolved earlier in January at phab:T211849, but I believe it still occur sporadically. I've experienced that some weeks ago but didn't have time to report the issue. You can report it again. For the ping, I am not sure why it didn't work. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:05, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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What you're describing sounds like phab:T225199. I'm looking into it. Legoktm (talk) 07:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Addendum: The edit in question is also not listed in the project's recent changes feed, probably suggesting that the problem is not on my end. ComplexRational (talk) 19:43, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
For the watchlist, I believe it is the same issue that was resolved earlier in January at phab:T211849, but I believe it still occur sporadically. I've experienced that some weeks ago but didn't have time to report the issue. You can report it again. For the ping, I am not sure why it didn't work. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:05, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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What you're describing sounds like phab:T225199. I'm looking into it. Legoktm (talk) 07:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you wonder how the servers work

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0FTcG7PxzI has some information about how code gets deployed, if anyone's interested in learning more about Wikipedia's back end. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:11, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0FTcG7PxzI has some information about how code gets deployed, if anyone's interested in learning more about Wikipedia's back end. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:11, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm honestly just a little disappointed the video actually had information on how code gets deployed, rather than footage of hamsters running over a keyboard. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:20, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Nice! SD0001 (talk) 18:42, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm honestly just a little disappointed the video actually had information on how code gets deployed, rather than footage of hamsters running over a keyboard. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:20, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Nice! SD0001 (talk) 18:42, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

File Upload Wizard bug

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In the File Upload Wizard, the radio boxes in Step 3 are invisible on my system. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:30, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

In the File Upload Wizard, the radio boxes in Step 3 are invisible on my system. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:30, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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What is your system? Ruslik_Zero 08:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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What is your system? Ruslik_Zero 08:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Official website gives a 500 error

This isn't necessarily Wikipedia-related, but look at the Official website under "External links". After you click on the official website, the URL at the top of the screen is correct but there is a 500 error. When I go to the site and click on the correct link there, everything is fine. So I have changed the official website so it will work. -— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Vchimpanzee: from some testing, it looks like their website is just having an intermittent outage right now (got it on the 'new link' as well) - in any case I updated the offical website property on wikidata and set the template to use the WD value. — xaosflux Talk 17:16, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
I've had the problem for several days. Sometimes the link works and sometimes it doesn't.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
Xaosflux this is at least the third straight day with a 500 error from the link in the article. If there is going to be a link, it should work. From the site itself, a link to Dear Abby does work.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
@Vchimpanzee: you are not seeing a Wikipedia issue, you are seeing an issue with their web pages. To test I typed the URL in to a broswer, then opened and closed it 5 times, it failed three times. This is occuring for both the 'dearabby.com' link, and the 'uxpress.com' link. There is nothing we can do to fix their broken website. — xaosflux Talk 18:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
I don't have the problem when I go to Dear Abby from the uexpress site. I did contact them to tell them what is going on with me.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
Just got there, and refreshed my page 10 times, half of them failed. They could have some broken load balancer. — xaosflux Talk 19:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
I didn't try that many times but it worked for me both clicking on the link in the article and typing "dearabby.com".— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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@Vchimpanzee: from some testing, it looks like their website is just having an intermittent outage right now (got it on the 'new link' as well) - in any case I updated the offical website property on wikidata and set the template to use the WD value. — xaosflux Talk 17:16, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
I've had the problem for several days. Sometimes the link works and sometimes it doesn't.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
Xaosflux this is at least the third straight day with a 500 error from the link in the article. If there is going to be a link, it should work. From the site itself, a link to Dear Abby does work.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
@Vchimpanzee: you are not seeing a Wikipedia issue, you are seeing an issue with their web pages. To test I typed the URL in to a broswer, then opened and closed it 5 times, it failed three times. This is occuring for both the 'dearabby.com' link, and the 'uxpress.com' link. There is nothing we can do to fix their broken website. — xaosflux Talk 18:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
I don't have the problem when I go to Dear Abby from the uexpress site. I did contact them to tell them what is going on with me.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
Just got there, and refreshed my page 10 times, half of them failed. They could have some broken load balancer. — xaosflux Talk 19:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
I didn't try that many times but it worked for me both clicking on the link in the article and typing "dearabby.com".— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

┌─────────────────────────┘Just got this. Even though I used my real name in the request, I just happened to have used this name in my email address.

Hello Vchimpanzee,
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PuzzleSociety.com
Uexpress.com

— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:20, 15 July 2019 (UTC) -┌─────────────────────────┘I'm still sometimes getting that 500 error but I have to wonder what would be wrong with just switching to the URL which that other site sends us to.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:49, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +┌─────────────────────────┘I'm still sometimes getting that 500 error but I have to wonder what would be wrong with just switching to the URL which that other site sends us to.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:49, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Vchimpanzee: I don't think you understand the technical problem - it isn't a problem with one of those domain names vs the other, it is a problem with the connection between the second domain name and the actual web server - as confirmed by the server owners in your response above. We've demonstrated that this happens with both URL's. This is not a problem with the English Wikipedia or with the mediawiki software in general. There is literally nothing else for us to do here. — xaosflux Talk 17:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
I was watching to see if I got any kind of response from the people fixing the software. My suggestion was that if the other URL does nothing but what is called "redirect" on Wikipedia, why not just bypass that?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
Sometimes website are broken and there is nothing to do but wait and hope. We could try to change all URLs to the redirect and/or adding archive links for non-working links. But since they said they are working on it, we should wait. -- GreenC 18:07, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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If the only problem were with the websites first 'redirect' page, then yet it would be fine to just bypass this - but please see above - the problem is not with the first link, it is with where they redirect it to. — xaosflux Talk 17:37, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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@Vchimpanzee: I don't think you understand the technical problem - it isn't a problem with one of those domain names vs the other, it is a problem with the connection between the second domain name and the actual web server - as confirmed by the server owners in your response above. We've demonstrated that this happens with both URL's. This is not a problem with the English Wikipedia or with the mediawiki software in general. There is literally nothing else for us to do here. — xaosflux Talk 17:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
I was watching to see if I got any kind of response from the people fixing the software. My suggestion was that if the other URL does nothing but what is called "redirect" on Wikipedia, why not just bypass that?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
Sometimes website are broken and there is nothing to do but wait and hope. We could try to change all URLs to the redirect and/or adding archive links for non-working links. But since they said they are working on it, we should wait. -- GreenC 18:07, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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If the only problem were with the websites first 'redirect' page, then yet it would be fine to just bypass this - but please see above - the problem is not with the first link, it is with where they redirect it to. — xaosflux Talk 17:37, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template linking and transclusion check tool

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Hello, does anybody know how/who can fix the Template linking and transclusion check tool JMHamo (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

Hello, does anybody know how/who can fix the Template linking and transclusion check tool JMHamo (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe author? (If he's active). MarMi wiki (talk) 18:04, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Maybe author? (If he's active). MarMi wiki (talk) 18:04, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2019-30

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. @@ -1351,32 +1351,32 @@ Evolutionary history of life · ‎Timeline of the evolutionary ... · ‎Earlie

I have recently become confused by some transclusions on sports seasons articles such as 2019–20 UEFA Europa League, which under the "third qualifying round" header just has the following code to produce the fixtures table, with no edit button as is usual on templates:

{{#lst:2019–20 UEFA Europa League qualifying phase and play-off round|Q3}}

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Thanks – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

Thanks – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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It is not a template, but a page - 2019–20 UEFA Europa League qualifying phase and play-off round. --Gonnym (talk) 14:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(edit conflict) #lst, or more readably #section isn't actually a template but instead a magic word. The text it produces is stored at 2019–20 UEFA Europa League qualifying phase and play-off round, delimited by <section begin=Q3 />...<section end=Q3 />. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(edit conflict) @Filelakeshoe: that is the abomination of mw:Extension:Labeled Section Transclusion - I really hate that extension, but some people like it! — xaosflux Talk 14:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
Thanks everyone! Yeah it's not very user friendly - an "edit source" link would be useful, but I guess not practical for all cases. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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It is not a template, but a page - 2019–20 UEFA Europa League qualifying phase and play-off round. --Gonnym (talk) 14:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(edit conflict) #lst, or more readably #section isn't actually a template but instead a magic word. The text it produces is stored at 2019–20 UEFA Europa League qualifying phase and play-off round, delimited by <section begin=Q3 />...<section end=Q3 />. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(edit conflict) @Filelakeshoe: that is the abomination of mw:Extension:Labeled Section Transclusion - I really hate that extension, but some people like it! — xaosflux Talk 14:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
Thanks everyone! Yeah it's not very user friendly - an "edit source" link would be useful, but I guess not practical for all cases. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a better way? I've used it to transclude chunks of appropriate help text from Help:CS1 errors into the various error category pages in Category:CS1 errors. It's worked well for that. One source page so only one page to maintain. But if there's a better way, ...
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@Trappist the monk: reusable text/markup is what birthed templates :D — xaosflux Talk 15:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
The real solution for tables will always be 1 data source, that you call from whatever page you are on and get the results placed into the table. That was supposed to be Wikidata but it seems that won't happen. Anything else is just a backwards way of trying to handle tabular data. See any TV award, which is written and independently sourced in the TV article, season article, actor article, the TV award itself and if the character that actor played has an article, that article as well. /off-topic rant --Gonnym (talk) 15:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
@Trappist the monk: reusable text/markup is what birthed templates :D — xaosflux Talk 15:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
The real solution for tables will always be 1 data source, that you call from whatever page you are on and get the results placed into the table. That was supposed to be Wikidata but it seems that won't happen. Anything else is just a backwards way of trying to handle tabular data. See any TV award, which is written and independently sourced in the TV article, season article, actor article, the TV award itself and if the character that actor played has an article, that article as well. /off-topic rant --Gonnym (talk) 15:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Oh, aye? But don't we, at en.wiki, proscribe article text in template space? Not my creation but the documentation for the cs1|2 templates is primarily handled by Template:Citation Style documentation and a plethora of sub-templates. It is a pain to maintain and that, in my mind, disqualifies it as a 'better way' than labeled section transclusion. So no 'better way' than templates?
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Well "template documentation" isn't really "article text" is it? :D — xaosflux Talk 15:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:20, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
Well "template documentation" isn't really "article text" is it? :D — xaosflux Talk 15:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's not, but the OP provided an example where labeled-section-transclusion is used in article text which avoids the no-article-text-in-template-space proscription. My csdoc example is intended to show that were article text allowed in template space, such use of templates can be unwieldy. So am I to understand that while you consider labeled-section-transclusion to be an abomination, you don't have a better solution?
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Convert button in visual editor: is this new?

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I noticed today that when you click on a reference which is a bare URL in Visual Editor, the edit box has a bottom section that says, This reference consists of just an external link. You can use the "Convert" button below to generate a properly formatted reference. Is this new, or have I just never noticed it before? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

I noticed today that when you click on a reference which is a bare URL in Visual Editor, the edit box has a bottom section that says, This reference consists of just an external link. You can use the "Convert" button below to generate a properly formatted reference. Is this new, or have I just never noticed it before? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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No, this convert button message is not new. It was added at November 1, 2015. It is part of the citoid extension, which is bundled with VisualEditor.--Snaevar (talk) 09:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
Interesting, but weird that I've never noticed it before. Has something changed to make it more obvious? My usual process has been to copy the URL, create a new Automatic citation, then delete the old reference. It's just odd that I've never noticed the Convert button before, which does all that with so much less effort. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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No, this convert button message is not new. It was added at November 1, 2015. It is part of the citoid extension, which is bundled with VisualEditor.--Snaevar (talk) 09:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
Interesting, but weird that I've never noticed it before. Has something changed to make it more obvious? My usual process has been to copy the URL, create a new Automatic citation, then delete the old reference. It's just odd that I've never noticed the Convert button before, which does all that with so much less effort. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template help

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Requesting help updating some wiki templates (non-Lua). I don't know how to do it. Can you help? Template_talk:Vcite_book#Support_for_archive-url_vs._archiveurl. Cross posted to Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Vcite_template_updates. -- GreenC 16:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

Requesting help updating some wiki templates (non-Lua). I don't know how to do it. Can you help? Template_talk:Vcite_book#Support_for_archive-url_vs._archiveurl. Cross posted to Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Vcite_template_updates. -- GreenC 16:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This is done, though {{vcite book}} could still use support for |archiveurl= and |archivedate= in case anyone wants to add it, examples in other vcite templates. -- GreenC 17:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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This is done, though {{vcite book}} could still use support for |archiveurl= and |archivedate= in case anyone wants to add it, examples in other vcite templates. -- GreenC 17:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

English Fundraising Tests

Dear all,

As I noted at the end of June, through the summer we will be running systems tests in preparation for the end of year fundraiser on the English Wikipedia. @@ -1386,17 +1386,17 @@ Evolutionary history of life · ‎Timeline of the evolutionary ... · ‎Earlie

  • If you see a donor on a talk page, OTRS or social media having difficulties in donating, please refer them to donate@wikimedia.org.
  • If you have specific ideas to share, please feel invited to add them to our fundraising ideas page.

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    Thank you in advance for your support. Seddon (WMF) (talk) 22:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Thank you in advance for your support. Seddon (WMF) (talk) 22:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Just to bump this thread that we will be testing again 1500 UTC Wednesday 24 July. Many Thanks. Seddon (WMF) (talk) 20:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Just to bump this thread that we will be testing again 1500 UTC Wednesday 24 July. Many Thanks. Seddon (WMF) (talk) 20:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Help with color overlap problem

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    Hello. On my talk page Mnnlaxer asked about a situation with the collapsed tables at the Israel men's national lacrosse team article. Because they are blue readers can't see the "show/hide" command. I think I've seen tables where they are highlighted in white but I have no idea how to make the change. Any help that can be provided will be appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 18:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hello. On my talk page Mnnlaxer asked about a situation with the collapsed tables at the Israel men's national lacrosse team article. Because they are blue readers can't see the "show/hide" command. I think I've seen tables where they are highlighted in white but I have no idea how to make the change. Any help that can be provided will be appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 18:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    MarnetteD, would it be okay if someone changed the background of the title from blue to green? You can do that by replacing all "#274da9" with "Green"--SharabSalam (talk) 19:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I don't know SharabSalam. I have posted this this message Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lacrosse#Input help to see if that wikiproject has any guidelines about the color of the tables in their articles. Thanks for the suggestion. MarnetteD|Talk 19:57, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    So many issues with that page... MOS:DONTHIDE, MOS:SMALLFONT, MOS:LINKCOLOR, MOS:HEADINGS - just from one section. --Gonnym (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The color is blue because of the Israeli national flag color. It can change, but white "show/hide" would be better. If anyone can do some clean up on the MOS issues, please jump right in! Thanks, MarnetteD. --- Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 04:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    {{hidden begin}} can replace | bodystyle = background:#FFFFE6; with | style = color:white; | bodystyle = background:#FFFFE6; color:black; as the below example. The style parameter also applies to the collapsed text so it's returned to black with bodystyle. I don't know whether this can cause issues for some users trying to replace normal black text with another color for themselves. The gadget "Use a black background with green text" appears to work as normal. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:24, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    MarnetteD, would it be okay if someone changed the background of the title from blue to green? You can do that by replacing all "#274da9" with "Green"--SharabSalam (talk) 19:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I don't know SharabSalam. I have posted this this message Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lacrosse#Input help to see if that wikiproject has any guidelines about the color of the tables in their articles. Thanks for the suggestion. MarnetteD|Talk 19:57, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    So many issues with that page... MOS:DONTHIDE, MOS:SMALLFONT, MOS:LINKCOLOR, MOS:HEADINGS - just from one section. --Gonnym (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The color is blue because of the Israeli national flag color. It can change, but white "show/hide" would be better. If anyone can do some clean up on the MOS issues, please jump right in! Thanks, MarnetteD. --- Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 04:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    {{hidden begin}} can replace | bodystyle = background:#FFFFE6; with | style = color:white; | bodystyle = background:#FFFFE6; color:black; as the below example. The style parameter also applies to the collapsed text so it's returned to black with bodystyle. I don't know whether this can cause issues for some users trying to replace normal black text with another color for themselves. The gadget "Use a black background with green text" appears to work as normal. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:24, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Current code

    Body text.

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    Body text.

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    Thanks PrimeHunter for figuring out the code and Gonnym for fixing MOS issues, including removing the hidden tables. Onward and upward with the arts! --- Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 17:44, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Thanks PrimeHunter for figuring out the code and Gonnym for fixing MOS issues, including removing the hidden tables. Onward and upward with the arts! --- Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 17:44, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Request bot for auto archiving

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    For two talk pages. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Juul and see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pax_Labs QuackGuru (talk) 18:51, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    For two talk pages. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Juul and see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pax_Labs QuackGuru (talk) 18:51, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @QuackGuru: see Help:Archiving_a_talk_page#Automated_archiving for some code snippet you can put on a page to request bot archiving functionality. — xaosflux Talk 19:02, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @QuackGuru: see Help:Archiving_a_talk_page#Automated_archiving for some code snippet you can put on a page to request bot archiving functionality. — xaosflux Talk 19:02, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Local en.wp gadget "Allow navigation menus to be collapsed" causes sidebar items to be indented

    Hi, i am Monniasza, and I have found bug in "Allow navigation menus to be collapsed" gadget. It causes sidebar to get malformed by icorrectly indenting its contents. @@ -1428,12 +1428,12 @@ It causes sidebar to get malformed by icorrectly indenting its contents.

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    Monniasza talk edits 08:54, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Monniasza talk edits 08:54, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    What is your browser? What is your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? It's indented but collapsing works for me in Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. I guess the indentation is intentional and wouldn't call it malformed. Are you saying that it doesn't work for you, or that you just don't like the indentation? The code is in MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.js and MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.css. Example without enabling the gadget in preferences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example?withJS=MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.js&withCSS=MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.css. Example with the JavaScript but not the CSS (don't enable the gadget): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example?withJS=MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.js. Does that work better for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:44, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I used Google Chrome browser, Vector skin. Monniasza talk edits 17:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    What is your browser? What is your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? It's indented but collapsing works for me in Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. I guess the indentation is intentional and wouldn't call it malformed. Are you saying that it doesn't work for you, or that you just don't like the indentation? The code is in MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.js and MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.css. Example without enabling the gadget in preferences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example?withJS=MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.js&withCSS=MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.css. Example with the JavaScript but not the CSS (don't enable the gadget): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example?withJS=MediaWiki:Gadget-CollapsibleNav.js. Does that work better for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:44, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I used Google Chrome browser, Vector skin. Monniasza talk edits 17:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Undo script

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    mobileUndo script is an userscript created for mobile. It basically adds a button to revert the latest revision of an article while previewing a diff on the mobile website. Currently there isn't any undo feature in mobile version of the mediawiki software (as far as I know). It meets the general criteria for gadgets and I have the original creator's permission. Therefore I am proposing this script to be approved as a gadget. Should we approve of this script as a gadget? Masum Reza📞 12:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    mobileUndo script is an userscript created for mobile. It basically adds a button to revert the latest revision of an article while previewing a diff on the mobile website. Currently there isn't any undo feature in mobile version of the mediawiki software (as far as I know). It meets the general criteria for gadgets and I have the original creator's permission. Therefore I am proposing this script to be approved as a gadget. Should we approve of this script as a gadget? Masum Reza📞 12:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Source code – Here (maintainer's copy, probably outdated)
    Author – meta:User:FR30799386
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    7 Does it have cross-wiki compatibility?
    Yes it has. I've tested this script myself on meta, Japanese Wikipedia, Wikidata and test wiki. It even generates edit summary in other languages on other wikis.

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    I am willing to answer any questions you may have about this script (please ping me when you reply). Thanks. Masum Reza📞 12:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I am willing to answer any questions you may have about this script (please ping me when you reply). Thanks. Masum Reza📞 12:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Masumrezarock100: Noting that I have synced my version with FR's on meta - I plan to make some optimization tweaks, but otherwise it should be good to go --DannyS712 (talk) 15:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @DannyS712: Thanks Danny. What do you think the suggestion in my answer to the 5th question. Masum Reza📞 20:48, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Masumrezarock100: That can be set very easily if the script is a gadget (see mw:Extension:Gadgets) - but as just a user script, its harder to implement. I think its fine to leave it as it is, with the understanding that if it is enabled as a gadget it should, like twinkle, require autoconfirmed. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @DannyS712: I see. Since it has cross-wiki compatibility, I highly suggest we make this a global gadget, what do you think? Masum Reza📞 20:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Masumrezarock100: well, I don't think those exist yet. --DannyS712 (talk) 21:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Masumrezarock100: Please observe how this RfC is currently listed at WP:RFC/TECH, and include a brief, neutral statement of or question about the issue immediately below the {{rfc}} tag, in accordance with WP:RFCST and WP:RFCBRIEF. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:08, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Redrose64: Done. I am very new in this RfC stuff. Thanks for pointing out my mistakes.Masum Reza📞 12:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    It's now worse, in that nothing is now displayed other than the link. You need a timestamp (if not a full signature) after the statement so that Legobot knows where to stop parsing: WP:RFCST does state "Failing to provide a time and date will cause Legobot to remove your discussion from the pages that notify interested editors of RfCs." and that is precisely what has happened here. At the moment, the first timestamp that it encounters is the one at the start of this "Discussion" subthread, by which time the statement is no longer neutral and certainly not brief. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    To @Alsee, Izno, North8000, DannyS712, Killiondude, and RainFall:, who participated in this discussion, How about importing this script to Mediawiki:Minerva.js or Mediawiki:mobile.js as only JavaScript that gets executed on mobile is at Mediawiki:Minerva.js and Mediawiki:mobile.js. Both of them are almost empty, so I don't see a problem here. Masum Reza📞 08:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Fixing ping Rutilant Masum Reza📞 08:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I don't have the knowledge of those things/terms to respond. North8000 (talk) 21:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Masumrezarock100: Noting that I have synced my version with FR's on meta - I plan to make some optimization tweaks, but otherwise it should be good to go --DannyS712 (talk) 15:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @DannyS712: Thanks Danny. What do you think the suggestion in my answer to the 5th question. Masum Reza📞 20:48, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Masumrezarock100: That can be set very easily if the script is a gadget (see mw:Extension:Gadgets) - but as just a user script, its harder to implement. I think its fine to leave it as it is, with the understanding that if it is enabled as a gadget it should, like twinkle, require autoconfirmed. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @DannyS712: I see. Since it has cross-wiki compatibility, I highly suggest we make this a global gadget, what do you think? Masum Reza📞 20:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Masumrezarock100: well, I don't think those exist yet. --DannyS712 (talk) 21:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Masumrezarock100: Please observe how this RfC is currently listed at WP:RFC/TECH, and include a brief, neutral statement of or question about the issue immediately below the {{rfc}} tag, in accordance with WP:RFCST and WP:RFCBRIEF. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:08, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Redrose64: Done. I am very new in this RfC stuff. Thanks for pointing out my mistakes.Masum Reza📞 12:59, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    It's now worse, in that nothing is now displayed other than the link. You need a timestamp (if not a full signature) after the statement so that Legobot knows where to stop parsing: WP:RFCST does state "Failing to provide a time and date will cause Legobot to remove your discussion from the pages that notify interested editors of RfCs." and that is precisely what has happened here. At the moment, the first timestamp that it encounters is the one at the start of this "Discussion" subthread, by which time the statement is no longer neutral and certainly not brief. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    To @Alsee, Izno, North8000, DannyS712, Killiondude, and RainFall:, who participated in this discussion, How about importing this script to Mediawiki:Minerva.js or Mediawiki:mobile.js as only JavaScript that gets executed on mobile is at Mediawiki:Minerva.js and Mediawiki:mobile.js. Both of them are almost empty, so I don't see a problem here. Masum Reza📞 08:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Fixing ping Rutilant Masum Reza📞 08:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I don't have the knowledge of those things/terms to respond. North8000 (talk) 21:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    User survey

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    Please state your vote using '''Support'' or '''Oppose'''. Explain why if you choose the latter option. Masum Reza📞 05:07, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Please state your vote using '''Support'' or '''Oppose'''. Explain why if you choose the latter option. Masum Reza📞 05:07, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    I'm a bit baffled by your second sentence. By nature of this being an addition, the onus is on the supporters to explain why it should be added. However, in discussions like these, explanations from both sides would be useful to all. Killiondude (talk) 19:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I meant that one must add a reason if they oppose it. Explanation from Support side is helpful as well but I am not explicitly asking them to state their reason. Masum Reza📞 22:15, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    To support: say "aye"; to oppose: rehash the Bible. —RainFall 08:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Support - This would be really helpful, whenever I want to undo on my mobile I have to go to desktop view which is just a pain. SSSB (talk) 09:51, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Instead we should ask the Foundation to Undo their removal of Undo from mobile. Creating a gadget to put Undo back is pretty absurd, unless it is the only way to get this fixed. I don't use mobile, and while I know the Foundation has badly crippled basic functionality on mobile I had no idea that they removed the undo link. That's pretty bad. If/when there's a clear majority here to ask the Foundation to fix this, give me a ping and I'll be happy to open a phabricator task and push for action. Alsee (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
      There's never been an undo button in mobile, basically, so I do not know why you think they removed it. See phab:T87609. --Izno (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Weak support (invited by the bot) I favor simplicity vs. trimming seconds off of the "revert" time, but it looks like its inclusion is optional, and that lots of good work has been done. North8000 (talk) 13:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Support as a non-default gadget. SD0001 (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Well, it would be nice if jQuery or something was used instead of constructing long HTML strings directly. See also Musik's comments on his talk page, which I think should probably be addressed. Gadgets do run on the mobile skin, right? Enterprisey (talk!) 08:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I'm a bit baffled by your second sentence. By nature of this being an addition, the onus is on the supporters to explain why it should be added. However, in discussions like these, explanations from both sides would be useful to all. Killiondude (talk) 19:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I meant that one must add a reason if they oppose it. Explanation from Support side is helpful as well but I am not explicitly asking them to state their reason. Masum Reza📞 22:15, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    To support: say "aye"; to oppose: rehash the Bible. —RainFall 08:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Support - This would be really helpful, whenever I want to undo on my mobile I have to go to desktop view which is just a pain. SSSB (talk) 09:51, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Instead we should ask the Foundation to Undo their removal of Undo from mobile. Creating a gadget to put Undo back is pretty absurd, unless it is the only way to get this fixed. I don't use mobile, and while I know the Foundation has badly crippled basic functionality on mobile I had no idea that they removed the undo link. That's pretty bad. If/when there's a clear majority here to ask the Foundation to fix this, give me a ping and I'll be happy to open a phabricator task and push for action. Alsee (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      There's never been an undo button in mobile, basically, so I do not know why you think they removed it. See phab:T87609. --Izno (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Weak support (invited by the bot) I favor simplicity vs. trimming seconds off of the "revert" time, but it looks like its inclusion is optional, and that lots of good work has been done. North8000 (talk) 13:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Support as a non-default gadget. SD0001 (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Well, it would be nice if jQuery or something was used instead of constructing long HTML strings directly. See also Musik's comments on his talk page, which I think should probably be addressed. Gadgets do run on the mobile skin, right? Enterprisey (talk!) 08:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    6 million articles already?

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    According to the Wikimedia Statistics page, we already have over 6 million articles. However, the main page says we're over 100,000 short. It seems to me these two values should be the same. Discuss? Samsara 09:25, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    According to the Wikimedia Statistics page, we already have over 6 million articles. However, the main page says we're over 100,000 short. It seems to me these two values should be the same. Discuss? Samsara 09:25, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Counter on the main page should be updated after every refresh. Why it isn't (in 2019)? Eurohunter (talk) 09:43, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The main page counter uses {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} which says 5,957,430 when this is rendered. It is updated several times daily. Samsara's link does not claim over 6 million. The vertical axis has no number at the top. It shows a small horizontal line when the axis ends but this is not at 6 million. It is around 5.9 million. Hovering over the right side of the graph says 2019-06-01 Content 5.884.993 for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:13, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    It has a tick mark on the left. If the tick mark does not indicate 6 million, it should not be there at all. Samsara 10:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I agree but it's not something we can change here. The horizontal axis has the same issue. There is a mark at the end but it's not at 2020. In that case it's currently easier to see that the last interval is shorter than between the other marks. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    FWIW - perhaps to keep track of the number of Articles (and more) - is the following template => {{User:Dbogdan/WikipediaOverview}} - hope this helps in some way - if otherwise - *entirely* ok with me to rv/rm/mv/ce the template of course - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Counter on the main page should be updated after every refresh. Why it isn't (in 2019)? Eurohunter (talk) 09:43, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The main page counter uses {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} which says 5,957,430 when this is rendered. It is updated several times daily. Samsara's link does not claim over 6 million. The vertical axis has no number at the top. It shows a small horizontal line when the axis ends but this is not at 6 million. It is around 5.9 million. Hovering over the right side of the graph says 2019-06-01 Content 5.884.993 for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:13, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    It has a tick mark on the left. If the tick mark does not indicate 6 million, it should not be there at all. Samsara 10:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I agree but it's not something we can change here. The horizontal axis has the same issue. There is a mark at the end but it's not at 2020. In that case it's currently easier to see that the last interval is shorter than between the other marks. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    FWIW - perhaps to keep track of the number of Articles (and more) - is the following template => {{User:Dbogdan/WikipediaOverview}} - hope this helps in some way - if otherwise - *entirely* ok with me to rv/rm/mv/ce the template of course - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    This template contains clickable links

    Clickable
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    WIKIPEDIA – The Free Encyclopedia
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  • Wikipedia => "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's what we're doing."

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    QUESTION: Is there some code that can access a template residing on the English Wikipedia - from another Wikipedia like, for example, the Simple Wikipedia? More specifically, the template {{ScienceNews}} resides on the English Wikipedia - Question: Can this {{ScienceNews}} template be accessed from the Simple Wikipedia (without recreating/duplicating the template on the Simple Wikipedia)? If so, what code may be used? - tia - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 16:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    QUESTION: Is there some code that can access a template residing on the English Wikipedia - from another Wikipedia like, for example, the Simple Wikipedia? More specifically, the template {{ScienceNews}} resides on the English Wikipedia - Question: Can this {{ScienceNews}} template be accessed from the Simple Wikipedia (without recreating/duplicating the template on the Simple Wikipedia)? If so, what code may be used? - tia - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 16:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Drbogdan, Interwiki templates are not currently supported on WMF wikis, mostly for performance and usability reasons. There's been some interest in developing the software to do this well for a long time (including in the 2015 Community Wishlist Survey where it was a top-10 wish), but nothing has developed out of it. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 16:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @AntiCompositeNumber: Thank you *very much* for your comments - they're *greatly* appreciated - at least I'm now better informed about this - has my vote in developing this software if helpful - in any case - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:00, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Drbogdan, Interwiki templates are not currently supported on WMF wikis, mostly for performance and usability reasons. There's been some interest in developing the software to do this well for a long time (including in the 2015 Community Wishlist Survey where it was a top-10 wish), but nothing has developed out of it. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 16:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @AntiCompositeNumber: Thank you *very much* for your comments - they're *greatly* appreciated - at least I'm now better informed about this - has my vote in developing this software if helpful - in any case - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:00, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Unable to edit my watchlist?

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    Problem: For some reason, I'm unable to edit my watchlist (via "View and edit watchlist" or "Edit raw watchlist" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EditWatchlist ) - even after restoring all default settings in my "Preferences" - and regardless of the browser used (latest versions of "Brave"; "Chrome"; "Firefox" used; Windows10/1903; Dell-XPS 8900) - seems earlier, all was *completely* ok with editing the watchlist - but now the listing in my watchlist (in edit mode) seems to appear very, very briefly - and then disappears? - any help with this would be appreciated - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 15:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Problem: For some reason, I'm unable to edit my watchlist (via "View and edit watchlist" or "Edit raw watchlist" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EditWatchlist ) - even after restoring all default settings in my "Preferences" - and regardless of the browser used (latest versions of "Brave"; "Chrome"; "Firefox" used; Windows10/1903; Dell-XPS 8900) - seems earlier, all was *completely* ok with editing the watchlist - but now the listing in my watchlist (in edit mode) seems to appear very, very briefly - and then disappears? - any help with this would be appreciated - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 15:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Drbogdan: do you have a large (many thousand+) number of entries on your WL? Can you see if you can edit it using this safemode link? — xaosflux Talk 15:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Xaosflux: Thank you for your reply - and suggestions - seems I have => "You have 8,108 pages on your watchlist (excluding talk pages)." - is there a maximum limit for all to be ok? - also - the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EditWatchlist/raw?safemode=1 - seems to work ok at the moment - anything I should/could do to be ok again in "normalmode" (not "safemode") - in any case - Thanks again for your reply - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 16:03, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I've got 18,314 pages. I was over 25,000 a couple of weeks ago, and was able to edit it. DuncanHill (talk) 16:09, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Drbogdan: while there isn't a limit (well there probably is some super giant limit but you're not at it) WL's tend to get wonky over 5000 entries, so I really suggest you trim it if possible. Perhaps you have a bunch of old User:IPADDRESS ones from old feedback/warnings that you can remove. Also the safemode link disables scripts, such as the ones you have enabled in User:Drbogdan/common.js and User:Drbogdan/vector.js - you could try turning these user scripts off to see if there are any conflicts being caused. — xaosflux Talk 16:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Drbogdan: do you have a large (many thousand+) number of entries on your WL? Can you see if you can edit it using this safemode link? — xaosflux Talk 15:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Xaosflux: Thank you for your reply - and suggestions - seems I have => "You have 8,108 pages on your watchlist (excluding talk pages)." - is there a maximum limit for all to be ok? - also - the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EditWatchlist/raw?safemode=1 - seems to work ok at the moment - anything I should/could do to be ok again in "normalmode" (not "safemode") - in any case - Thanks again for your reply - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 16:03, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I've got 18,314 pages. I was over 25,000 a couple of weeks ago, and was able to edit it. DuncanHill (talk) 16:09, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Drbogdan: while there isn't a limit (well there probably is some super giant limit but you're not at it) WL's tend to get wonky over 5000 entries, so I really suggest you trim it if possible. Perhaps you have a bunch of old User:IPADDRESS ones from old feedback/warnings that you can remove. Also the safemode link disables scripts, such as the ones you have enabled in User:Drbogdan/common.js and User:Drbogdan/vector.js - you could try turning these user scripts off to see if there are any conflicts being caused. — xaosflux Talk 16:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Xaosflux: Thanks for your reply - it's appreciated - yes - trimmed some entries in "safemode" - but this did not work - remmed script in User:Drbogdan/common.js - as follows => <!---mw.loader.load('//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hedonil/XTools/XTools.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript'); importScript('User:SD0001/oldSearchHistory.js');---> - not clear if this script is important for anything I'd miss at the moment - but yes - this worked *very well* and the WatchList edit seems to be *entirely* ok (in regular "normalmode") at the moment - Thanks again for your help with this - and - Enjoy! :) 17:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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    @Drbogdan: .js pages use a slightly different comment code (I edited YOUR page with the right comment type - feel free to revert or do anything you want with it now) You can try turning those lines on back one at a time if you want them, then contact whomever's script you are loading if you would like them to work on it. — xaosflux Talk 17:21, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Xaosflux: Thanks for updating the js code with the right comment code(s) - it's appreciated - all now seems ok - Thanks again for all your help with this - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:27, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Xaosflux: - BRIEF Followup - after several tests - seems the particular problem script line in the "User:Drbogdan/common.js" file is => /*importScript('User:SD0001/oldSearchHistory.js');*/ - the other script line seems ok - and somewhat useful at the moment - hope this helps in some way - in any regards - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:51, 27 July 2019 (UTC) [NOTE: corrected code - Drbogdan (talk) 21:12, 27 July 2019 (UTC)][reply] -
    @SD0001: - want to take a look? — xaosflux Talk 18:00, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Xaosflux and SD0001: FWIW - rm related CSS line from the "User:Drbogdan/common.css" file as well - /*@import url("//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:SD0001/oldSearchHistory.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css");*/ - see => "Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_173#Hideous_history_page" section for more if interested - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 18:13, 27 July 2019 (UTC) [NOTE: corrected code - Drbogdan (talk) 21:12, 27 July 2019 (UTC)][reply]
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    @Drbogdan: .js pages use a slightly different comment code (I edited YOUR page with the right comment type - feel free to revert or do anything you want with it now) You can try turning those lines on back one at a time if you want them, then contact whomever's script you are loading if you would like them to work on it. — xaosflux Talk 17:21, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Xaosflux: Thanks for updating the js code with the right comment code(s) - it's appreciated - all now seems ok - Thanks again for all your help with this - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:27, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Xaosflux: - BRIEF Followup - after several tests - seems the particular problem script line in the "User:Drbogdan/common.js" file is => /*importScript('User:SD0001/oldSearchHistory.js');*/ - the other script line seems ok - and somewhat useful at the moment - hope this helps in some way - in any regards - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:51, 27 July 2019 (UTC) [NOTE: corrected code - Drbogdan (talk) 21:12, 27 July 2019 (UTC)][reply] +
    @SD0001: - want to take a look? — xaosflux Talk 18:00, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Xaosflux and SD0001: FWIW - rm related CSS line from the "User:Drbogdan/common.css" file as well - /*@import url("//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:SD0001/oldSearchHistory.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css");*/ - see => "Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_173#Hideous_history_page" section for more if interested - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 18:13, 27 July 2019 (UTC) [NOTE: corrected code - Drbogdan (talk) 21:12, 27 July 2019 (UTC)][reply]
    @Xaosflux: In this edit you used the wrong format, it's either 
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    the latter extending to the end of the line. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Redrose64: thanks, fixed though syntactically it worked (would interpret the same since it was on each line) :D — xaosflux Talk 20:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Drbogdan, problem script fixed. SD0001 (talk) 16:27, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @SD0001: Thank you *very much* for your comment - and help with this - may try the fixed script at my next opportunity - iac - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @SD0001: Checked the new fixed script - and the "WatchList Edit" now seems to work *very well* - Thank you for your help and efforts with this - they're *greatly* appreciated - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    the latter extending to the end of the line. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Redrose64: thanks, fixed though syntactically it worked (would interpret the same since it was on each line) :D — xaosflux Talk 20:01, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Drbogdan, problem script fixed. SD0001 (talk) 16:27, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @SD0001: Thank you *very much* for your comment - and help with this - may try the fixed script at my next opportunity - iac - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @SD0001: Checked the new fixed script - and the "WatchList Edit" now seems to work *very well* - Thank you for your help and efforts with this - they're *greatly* appreciated - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Popups - little white box above the link

    When I point my cursor at a link, as well as the usual popup preview thingy, I also get a little white box appearing above the link. I think it started in the last hour or so. Is this a new feature? It doesn't appear to do anything useful, or indeed at all. DuncanHill (talk) 23:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC) -Sorry should have said, monobook, Edge, Win10. DuncanHill (talk) 23:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +Sorry should have said, monobook, Edge, Win10. DuncanHill (talk) 23:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Template's FULLPAGENAME in documentation

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    @@ -1544,25 +1544,25 @@ Sorry should have said, monobook, Edge, Win10. Category:Pagename manipulation templates, Category:Namespace manipulation templates. Template:Subpage other could be used, but only for root page templates — it won't work for userspace userboxes. And it will still require writing out the branches of the if. Is there such a template? —⁠andrybak (talk) 00:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I could not find it in Category:Pagename manipulation templates, Category:Namespace manipulation templates. Template:Subpage other could be used, but only for root page templates — it won't work for userspace userboxes. And it will still require writing out the branches of the if. Is there such a template? —⁠andrybak (talk) 00:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Maybe you can use {{TEMPLATENAME}}. It also removes other things. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Added the template to Category:Pagename manipulation templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Andrybak: You may have been looking in the wrong place, since these are not templates - they are variables. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:13, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    {{TEMPLATENAME}} is a template. Its name is just chosen with all uppercase like magic word variables. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Maybe you can use {{TEMPLATENAME}}. It also removes other things. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Added the template to Category:Pagename manipulation templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Andrybak: You may have been looking in the wrong place, since these are not templates - they are variables. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:13, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    {{TEMPLATENAME}} is a template. Its name is just chosen with all uppercase like magic word variables. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:07, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Biography - authority control

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    On the biography for Paul Ricœur, the authority control box has the following text in red font: The RERO id 02-A000137666 is not valid. Can someone fix it? Thanks! 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:F81D:4C1A:755A:7B9F (talk) 03:20, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    On the biography for Paul Ricœur, the authority control box has the following text in red font: The RERO id 02-A000137666 is not valid. Can someone fix it? Thanks! 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:F81D:4C1A:755A:7B9F (talk) 03:20, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    The ID itself is valid but actually all RERO IDs were categorized as invalid and I could not find what's causing this in Module:Authority control. Pinging Tom.Reding who added them today. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:25, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @IP & @Ammarpad:  fixed.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  10:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The ID itself is valid but actually all RERO IDs were categorized as invalid and I could not find what's causing this in Module:Authority control. Pinging Tom.Reding who added them today. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:25, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @IP & @Ammarpad:  fixed.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  10:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Google Maps can't find some decimal coordinates

    Not a Wikipedia problem, as it occurs even when Wikipedia is not involved, but affects a lot of articles so it's worth raising here. Maybe somebody knows something about this, and in any case editors need awareness of the problem. -

    Google Maps says it "can't find" some, but not all, geo coordinates in decimal format. Example 53.111,-2.245, a location near Manchester UK. ―Mandruss ☎ 20:00, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Google Maps says it "can't find" some, but not all, geo coordinates in decimal format. Example 53.111,-2.245, a location near Manchester UK. ―Mandruss ☎ 20:00, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Mandruss: Hmm, while "53.111, -2.245" isn't working, "53.11100, -2.24500" is. — xaosflux Talk 20:07, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Hmm, indeed. ―Mandruss ☎ 20:10, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    That's interesting. I also played around with the precision and 53.11100, -2.24500 doesn't work for me. Killiondude (talk) 20:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    For an example of an actual affected article, see 2014 Isla Vista killings. Google Maps takes you to Isla Vista but displays the error and fails to place a marker. Appending one zero to the end of either lat or long fixes it.
    At this link is a place to report errors in Google Maps, but it requires a Google sign in. I don't have a Google account and I don't care to create one for this purpose. Perhaps someone else could report this error and return any feedback here.
    If we can't get this error fixed soon, we should start thinking about a change to the software we control to work around it. Accepting this for the indefinite term is out of the question in my opinion. ―Mandruss ☎ 12:20, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Mandruss: Hmm, while "53.111, -2.245" isn't working, "53.11100, -2.24500" is. — xaosflux Talk 20:07, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Hmm, indeed. ―Mandruss ☎ 20:10, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    That's interesting. I also played around with the precision and 53.11100, -2.24500 doesn't work for me. Killiondude (talk) 20:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    For an example of an actual affected article, see 2014 Isla Vista killings. Google Maps takes you to Isla Vista but displays the error and fails to place a marker. Appending one zero to the end of either lat or long fixes it.
    At this link is a place to report errors in Google Maps, but it requires a Google sign in. I don't have a Google account and I don't care to create one for this purpose. Perhaps someone else could report this error and return any feedback here.
    If we can't get this error fixed soon, we should start thinking about a change to the software we control to work around it. Accepting this for the indefinite term is out of the question in my opinion. ―Mandruss ☎ 12:20, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    {{collapsible option}} works incorrectly

    I used this template correctly, but it doesn't work. Look at my signature, it contains afromentioned template. Monniasza talk Initial visibility: currently defaults to autocollapse @@ -1578,10 +1578,10 @@ Sorry should have said, monobook, Edge, Win10. |state= parameter in the template on this page is not set, the template's initial visibility is taken from the |default= parameter in the Collapsible option template. For the template on this page, that currently evaluates to autocollapse. 10:25, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

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    @Monniasza: usage of templates in signatures is forbidden. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:29, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Template still works incorrectly .Monniasza talk 10:37, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    {{Collapsible option}} is designed to be used on template documentation pages. It outputs text that describes how the state parameter works in those other templates. It doesn't do any collapsing itself. And, as Andrybak said, you may not use any template in your signature. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Yes, this is like wrapping your beer in a refrigerator manual and complaining it doesn't get cold. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Monniasza: usage of templates in signatures is forbidden. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:29, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Template still works incorrectly .Monniasza talk 10:37, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    {{Collapsible option}} is designed to be used on template documentation pages. It outputs text that describes how the state parameter works in those other templates. It doesn't do any collapsing itself. And, as Andrybak said, you may not use any template in your signature. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Yes, this is like wrapping your beer in a refrigerator manual and complaining it doesn't get cold. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Tech News: 2019-31

    Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. @@ -1598,7 +1598,7 @@ Sorry should have said, monobook, Edge, Win10. Colors of class=wikitable? -

    Quick question, but I can't find the answer. What are the color codes for the default wikitable? For the grey background and the darker grey header? Thanks, Renata (talk) 02:33, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Quick question, but I can't find the answer. What are the color codes for the default wikitable? For the grey background and the darker grey header? Thanks, Renata (talk) 02:33, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    @@ -1608,30 +1608,30 @@ Sorry should have said, monobook, Edge, Win10. Begoon 02:40, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    border:1px solid #a2a9b1; -- Begoon 02:40, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Title italics magazines

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    So, see how the title Poetry (magazine) is italicized on the article page only in the magazine title, Poetry, how do I get the title for British Vogue to read British Vogue in the article title (again only italicizing the magazine's actual name)? Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    So, see how the title Poetry (magazine) is italicized on the article page only in the magazine title, Poetry, how do I get the title for British Vogue to read British Vogue in the article title (again only italicizing the magazine's actual name)? Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    See this edit. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    See this edit. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:38, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Signature with unclosed font colours

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    I need help working out how to fix the signature of Oddbodz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) (inactive since May). There is a black font at the end which renders following text black, and therefor invisibly to users of the green-on-black gadget. There are other font colors in the signature which, if the black is removed, then bleed over into following text. I tried to fix it here, but somehow buggered it up in another way. Help! Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 15:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I need help working out how to fix the signature of Oddbodz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) (inactive since May). There is a black font at the end which renders following text black, and therefor invisibly to users of the green-on-black gadget. There are other font colors in the signature which, if the black is removed, then bleed over into following text. I tried to fix it here, but somehow buggered it up in another way. Help! Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 15:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    done. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:47, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks - I'll point Oddbodz to that. Is it generally considered acceptable to apply the fix on pages where I see it causing problems? I don't like to edit another chap's signature, but I like not being able to read all the following comments even less. DuncanHill (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @DuncanHill and Pppery: if that is coming from a signature, that isn't a good fix, since you wont be able to insert that closing font tag after the timestamp in a signature. That last font tag needs to be completely removed, and the others should be closed as a quick fix, see User:Xaosflux/sandbox75 - really font is deprecated and there are much better fixes if this person is still editing. — xaosflux Talk 15:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    DuncanHill, there are some bots that can fix this if it is on a lot of pages, you can ask at WP:BOTREQ. In general if you see one fix it, unless it is on a user_talk page you are other wise editing (as it will cause "new message" flag for the page owner). — xaosflux Talk 15:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    A search [29] finds around 740 cases. This is a job for a bot or AWB. It's always OK to close open tags in signatures. I would also merge the nested font tags to get Oddbodz - (Talk) (Contribs). If deprecated font tags stop working later then it's no big loss if old signatures are rendered as normal text. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:12, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks all - I don't know how to explain things in bot request terms. I mean, I could tell them what I told you here, but I wouldn't understand what I was on about if I tried to explain how your fix works or how it would be applied. DuncanHill (talk) 16:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @DuncanHill: plain speak is fine there, something like "can one of the Linter signature fixing bots clean up Oddbodz's bad font tags?" with an example or 2. — xaosflux Talk 17:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @DuncanHill: Based on Xaosflux's sandbox, I'm filing a BRFA now --DannyS712 (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thank you, much appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 19:35, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    done. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:47, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks - I'll point Oddbodz to that. Is it generally considered acceptable to apply the fix on pages where I see it causing problems? I don't like to edit another chap's signature, but I like not being able to read all the following comments even less. DuncanHill (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @DuncanHill and Pppery: if that is coming from a signature, that isn't a good fix, since you wont be able to insert that closing font tag after the timestamp in a signature. That last font tag needs to be completely removed, and the others should be closed as a quick fix, see User:Xaosflux/sandbox75 - really font is deprecated and there are much better fixes if this person is still editing. — xaosflux Talk 15:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    DuncanHill, there are some bots that can fix this if it is on a lot of pages, you can ask at WP:BOTREQ. In general if you see one fix it, unless it is on a user_talk page you are other wise editing (as it will cause "new message" flag for the page owner). — xaosflux Talk 15:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    A search [29] finds around 740 cases. This is a job for a bot or AWB. It's always OK to close open tags in signatures. I would also merge the nested font tags to get Oddbodz - (Talk) (Contribs). If deprecated font tags stop working later then it's no big loss if old signatures are rendered as normal text. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:12, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks all - I don't know how to explain things in bot request terms. I mean, I could tell them what I told you here, but I wouldn't understand what I was on about if I tried to explain how your fix works or how it would be applied. DuncanHill (talk) 16:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @DuncanHill: plain speak is fine there, something like "can one of the Linter signature fixing bots clean up Oddbodz's bad font tags?" with an example or 2. — xaosflux Talk 17:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @DuncanHill: Based on Xaosflux's sandbox, I'm filing a BRFA now --DannyS712 (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thank you, much appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 19:35, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Connecting between pages

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    Hello everyone, how to connect between a template and a CSS page? Thanks! ⇒ AramTalk 12:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hello everyone, how to connect between a template and a CSS page? Thanks! ⇒ AramTalk 12:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Aram: see Wikipedia:TemplateStyles. — xaosflux Talk 13:15, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Also Category:Templates using TemplateStyles has lots of reusable examples. — xaosflux Talk 13:16, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Aram: see Wikipedia:TemplateStyles. — xaosflux Talk 13:15, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Also Category:Templates using TemplateStyles has lots of reusable examples. — xaosflux Talk 13:16, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    'Fun' with external link 'marks'

    "Discovered" at Wikipedia talk:Principle of Some Astonishment#Random thing I noticed when somebody accidentally "nested" italic marks. The "nesting" obviously doesn't work, and is an error, because the italics are effectively 'closed' before the link text and 'opened' again after it, so you don't get italic text, but check out the funky "extra" link mark which gets added on the left of the link text...

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    -- Begoon 23:21, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    -- Begoon 23:21, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    ''[https://www.google.com ''normal text'']'' produces the html <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com"></a></i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com">normal text<i></i></a>. The link is split in two links to the same target. The first arrow belongs to the first link which has no link text. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Yeah, I'd looked at the html source and seen that. It's an oddity that this "error" produces a double-link like that, as I said at the talk page it's something I've never seen happen before in 10 years, but an odd "bug" nonetheless... Looks as though the wikitext 'parser' is somehow seeing both <i>...</i> 'portions' as separate 'entities' that each need linking, yet using the single href target address... -- Begoon 22:22, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -

    The wikitext parser produces misnested HTML: <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com"></i>normal text<i></a>. HTML5 specifies that that "tag soup" be corrected in a manner that produces the empty link, and thus that's what RemexHtml does. Firefox 68 does the same if given that misnested HTML, BTW, and other modern browsers should as well.

    Parsoid, on the other hand, seems to interpret that wikitext to produce <i><a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.google.com" class="external text"><i>normal text</i></a></i>, i.e. it doesn't recognize "misnested" apostrophe markup and link markup in the first place. Anomie⚔ 13:31, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    ''[https://www.google.com ''normal text'']'' produces the html <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com"></a></i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com">normal text<i></i></a>. The link is split in two links to the same target. The first arrow belongs to the first link which has no link text. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Yeah, I'd looked at the html source and seen that. It's an oddity that this "error" produces a double-link like that, as I said at the talk page it's something I've never seen happen before in 10 years, but an odd "bug" nonetheless... Looks as though the wikitext 'parser' is somehow seeing both <i>...</i> 'portions' as separate 'entities' that each need linking, yet using the single href target address... -- Begoon 22:22, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    The wikitext parser produces misnested HTML: <i><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com"></i>normal text<i></a>. HTML5 specifies that that "tag soup" be corrected in a manner that produces the empty link, and thus that's what RemexHtml does. Firefox 68 does the same if given that misnested HTML, BTW, and other modern browsers should as well.

    Parsoid, on the other hand, seems to interpret that wikitext to produce <i><a rel="mw:ExtLink" href="https://www.google.com" class="external text"><i>normal text</i></a></i>, i.e. it doesn't recognize "misnested" apostrophe markup and link markup in the first place. Anomie⚔ 13:31, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Switch transclusion on/off depending on how recently a template/subpage has been edited?

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    Do we have a template/magic word combination that can achieve the following? I would like Portal:Germany to display Portal:Germany/Germany news whenever that page has been recently edited, and not display it when it is too embarrassing (say, when the last edit is more than a month ago). Is there some easy way to achieve this? —Kusma (t·c) 10:01, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Do we have a template/magic word combination that can achieve the following? I would like Portal:Germany to display Portal:Germany/Germany news whenever that page has been recently edited, and not display it when it is too embarrassing (say, when the last edit is more than a month ago). Is there some easy way to achieve this? —Kusma (t·c) 10:01, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    {{#ifexpr:{{#time:U|{{REVISIONTIMESTAMP:Portal:Germany/Germany news}}}} > {{#time:U|-30 days}} | {{Portal:Germany/Germany news}}}} PrimeHunter (talk) 10:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    PrimeHunter, that's brilliant, thanks! —Kusma (t·c) 11:12, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Kusma: keep in mind, that dynamic page content is not guaranteed, especially for non-logged in users; rendered pages are cached and simply viewing the page as a reader does not force re-evaluation of templates. — xaosflux Talk 13:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    That's okay, the worst things that can happen here are that the portal wrongly doesn't display a refreshed "news" section or displays an outdated one that I would rather hide. Neither causes any serious problems. But it is a good point that we shouldn't rely on re-evaluation of templates/magic words for anything critical. —Kusma (t·c) 14:08, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    {{#ifexpr:{{#time:U|{{REVISIONTIMESTAMP:Portal:Germany/Germany news}}}} > {{#time:U|-30 days}} | {{Portal:Germany/Germany news}}}} PrimeHunter (talk) 10:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    PrimeHunter, that's brilliant, thanks! —Kusma (t·c) 11:12, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Kusma: keep in mind, that dynamic page content is not guaranteed, especially for non-logged in users; rendered pages are cached and simply viewing the page as a reader does not force re-evaluation of templates. — xaosflux Talk 13:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    That's okay, the worst things that can happen here are that the portal wrongly doesn't display a refreshed "news" section or displays an outdated one that I would rather hide. Neither causes any serious problems. But it is a good point that we shouldn't rely on re-evaluation of templates/magic words for anything critical. —Kusma (t·c) 14:08, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Connecting to wikidata?

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    What's the fastest way to see if there's an existing wikidata entry for an article? What I do now is open another window, navigate to wikidata.org, and copy-paste the article title into the search box. Surely there's a more streamlined (one-click?) way to do this? -- RoySmith (talk) 14:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    What's the fastest way to see if there's an existing wikidata entry for an article? What I do now is open another window, navigate to wikidata.org, and copy-paste the article title into the search box. Surely there's a more streamlined (one-click?) way to do this? -- RoySmith (talk) 14:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    You can add a "Wikidata search" link for the page name under Tools with the below in your common JavaScript. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    You can add a "Wikidata search" link for the page name under Tools with the below in your common JavaScript. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    mw.loader.using(['mediawiki.util'], function () {
   mw.util.addPortletLink(
     'p-tb',
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    You can also have a small box single line display under an article's title linking to the Wikidata entry (if one exists) by adding this script to your common.js. StarryGrandma (talk) 15:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    You can also have a small box single line display under an article's title linking to the Wikidata entry (if one exists) by adding this script to your common.js. StarryGrandma (talk) 15:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
     // d:User:Yair rand/WikidataInfo.js
  mw.loader.load( '//www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Yair_rand/WikidataInfo.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' );
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    There should be a built-in "Wikidata item" link under Tools in the left sidebar, shown only if an item exists. @PrimeHunter: Do you not see this link? — MusikAnimal talk 19:13, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I know the link. I may have misunderstood the question. I thought it was about an easy way to search for a possible Wikidata entry to add the article to if it doesn't already have one. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:45, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    MA, yes, I think the question is whether an (other) item exist covering the same topic as an article, not whether the article is connected to a Wikidata item. --Izno (talk) 22:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks, and sorry for the noise. I read "existing wikidata entry for an article" as being a connected one. Furthermore many people don't even know about the links under Tools, so I wanted to make sure that didn't go unnoticed. — MusikAnimal talk 15:08, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The link is getting moved, but that's just an aside. --Izno (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    There should be a built-in "Wikidata item" link under Tools in the left sidebar, shown only if an item exists. @PrimeHunter: Do you not see this link? — MusikAnimal talk 19:13, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I know the link. I may have misunderstood the question. I thought it was about an easy way to search for a possible Wikidata entry to add the article to if it doesn't already have one. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:45, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    MA, yes, I think the question is whether an (other) item exist covering the same topic as an article, not whether the article is connected to a Wikidata item. --Izno (talk) 22:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks, and sorry for the noise. I read "existing wikidata entry for an article" as being a connected one. Furthermore many people don't even know about the links under Tools, so I wanted to make sure that didn't go unnoticed. — MusikAnimal talk 15:08, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The link is getting moved, but that's just an aside. --Izno (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Broken template messing up page formatting

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    User:Paine Ellsworth, can you or someone please revert this edit at Template:Sidebar with collapsible lists? It is badly breaking *some* pages that transclude it. See Catholic Church and homosexuality. Mathglot (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -

    Wait, that's a hidden text-only change, so how could that possibly be the cause? But what else has changed, that would break dozens of older versions of the article, that were definitely not broken this morning? Here's version 861002525 from 500 edits ago; just as broken. I can't understand what's happened, here. Mathglot (talk) 09:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    User:Paine Ellsworth, can you or someone please revert this edit at Template:Sidebar with collapsible lists? It is badly breaking *some* pages that transclude it. See Catholic Church and homosexuality. Mathglot (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Wait, that's a hidden text-only change, so how could that possibly be the cause? But what else has changed, that would break dozens of older versions of the article, that were definitely not broken this morning? Here's version 861002525 from 500 edits ago; just as broken. I can't understand what's happened, here. Mathglot (talk) 09:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    The problem is (was) in {{Catholic Church sidebar}}, not {{Sidebar with collapsible lists}}. It was this edit by Royalistandlegitimist that broke the template. I advise Royalistandlegitimist to take advantage of the sandbox and testcases before making changes to the template. Nardog (talk) 09:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks, Nardog, for the fix! (Apologies to Paine; not only weren't they the cause of the problem, but that edit was (nearly exactly!) a year ago. I was too tired and in too much of a hurry to see clearly.) Mathglot (talk) 17:41, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The problem is (was) in {{Catholic Church sidebar}}, not {{Sidebar with collapsible lists}}. It was this edit by Royalistandlegitimist that broke the template. I advise Royalistandlegitimist to take advantage of the sandbox and testcases before making changes to the template. Nardog (talk) 09:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks, Nardog, for the fix! (Apologies to Paine; not only weren't they the cause of the problem, but that edit was (nearly exactly!) a year ago. I was too tired and in too much of a hurry to see clearly.) Mathglot (talk) 17:41, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    The notification button

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    Resolved: Fixed in the last update of MediaWiki. Nardog (talk) 05:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Resolved: Fixed in the last update of MediaWiki. Nardog (talk) 05:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Tracked in Phabricator
    Task T228744

    Hi, so I am using my mobile.

    @@ -1697,66 +1697,66 @@ Sorry should have said, monobook, Edge, Win10. SharabSalam (talk) 21:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    So can someone help me to fix this? Thanks.--SharabSalam (talk) 21:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Something I haven't tried; which is to trigger the notification again. I will ping a wrong random editor and see. This usually triggers a notification saying: “the ping was not sent because the user doesn't exist”. agsbshsisbsidsb.--SharabSalam (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • I got a notification, I clicked, read it, refreshed, the notification button returned red so it didn't help.--SharabSalam (talk) 21:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
      @SharabSalam: if you go to Special:Notifications is it there? Also, I have no idea who User:agsbshsisbsidsb is, will assume you just typed random characters for some reason? — xaosflux Talk 22:00, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
      I went there saw your ping. I returned here refreshed the page and the red button is still red.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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      Yes, it was random I tried to get a new notification and I got a new notification but the red button is not disappearing even after I saw the notification.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    What does clicking on the blue circle on the new notification do? Nardog (talk) 21:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    As I said I am using the mobile version of Wikipedia. I tried that too. I changed to desktop version clicked on the red button and the blue button. The blue button shows me old notifications like "user thank you" or something like that. Both the blue and the red button shows old notifications.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    No, I'm talking about the blue circle at the upper right of each notification. It toggles the read/unread status of the notification. If there's no blue circle and only empty circles then click on them a few times. Nardog (talk) 22:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I had no idea about the blue circle. I had never clicked on it since I joined Wikipedia. I have lots of notifications that I didn't click on their blue circle but I haven't got an issue like this before. It's gonna take a while to make all the circles empty? Is that what I should do? Make the circles empty or blue? Thank you for this information about the blue circle. I had no idea about it.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Thanks Nardog, the problem was fixed. I made all the circles empty. I always wondered why I get the number "+99" all the time on the notification button when I get one notification LOL today I learned.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:28, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    In the future, you can use "Mark all as read" (on mobile, the button with a check mark at the top). Nardog (talk) 22:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I did that in past I was hoping it will remove the "+99" number from the notification button but when I did that, only 20 notifications become read and I just didnt see them getting removed or changed hence I wasn't aware of the blue and empty circle thing. So I didn't repeat the process. --SharabSalam (talk) 22:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Nardog and Xaosflux: SharabSalam is correct, the behaviour has changed. As you know, if you got an alert notification (or thanks notification), the counter appears on a red (or blue) background. If you click that number, it changes to grey and the list of notifications appears. Let's assume that you don't do anything with those, but click away; the list disappears. Now follow a link (any link). At this point, the change in behaviour becomes apparent: the old behaviour was that the counter remained grey until the next notification came in; the new behaviour is that the counter becomes red (or blue) implying that you have new unseen notifications. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Ah, I could reproduce the problem based on your explanation (and ping). This certainly seems like a bug. Has this been reported on Phab? Nardog (talk) 23:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Is this happening in the mobile application, or the mobile web? — xaosflux Talk 23:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I confirmed it on the desktop site. Nardog (talk) 23:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Nardog: on desktop - not using .m. right? What skin are you using? — xaosflux Talk 23:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Vector. Nardog (talk) 23:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Also reproducible on the mobile web. The notification icon changes from red to gray when I click on it but not mark the new notification as read and close the panel, but it becomes red again if I refresh the page. Nardog (talk) 23:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I am seeing my blue "Notices" light on my desktop (Safari, iMac, OS 10.11) stay lit for a "Thank You" given 3 hours ago. My red "Alerts" light is off (i.e. gray); I received the last of those 5 days ago. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Now I'm getting the red light on when I refresh the page. It turns off when I click on it to see the alert, but then turns on again when I reload the page. I'm using standard, "vector" skin, IIRC; nothing fancy. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    That is exactly what I'm experiencing, and I believe what Redrose64 was explaining as well. Nardog (talk) 23:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    That is also what I was explaining. I also noticed that now when I ping a random user who doesnt exist I don't get a notification saying something like "the ping was not sent because the user doesn't exist"--SharabSalam (talk) 01:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @SharabSalam: Is "Failed mention" checked at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo-echosubscriptions? Nardog (talk) 01:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    It is checked. I just looked at it. I haven't changed anything there and above I have mentioned agsbshsisbsidsb and it worked but now it's not notifying me.--SharabSalam (talk) 01:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Okay it's working! it's working!. The whole notification when I ping anyone was not working with me and now it's working for unknown reason.--SharabSalam (talk) 01:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Just so people know, AFAIK SharabSalam here is saying that the notification for a failed mention is working for them now. The problem with the notifications as a whole (the grayed number turning red/blue again) still persists. Nardog (talk) 11:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Nardog: please open a phab ticket with the details. — xaosflux Talk 11:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Xaosflux: Done, though I'm not totally sure if I did an adequate enough job explaining. Nardog (talk) 12:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Seems good enough to get it started, check in if there are questions. — xaosflux Talk 12:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Could you recheck the photos that you added to explain the problem. The "expected" after clicking on the notification button and refreshing is that the number disappear and the gray bell icon appears but what happens right now is that the notification appears again as if I haven't clicked on the notification button.--SharabSalam (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    ┌────────────────────────────┘ @SharabSalam: I'm certain at least on the desktop site opening and closing the alerts panel without marking all alerts as read would have made the background of the unread count gray but didn't make the count disappear entirely. I don't know about the mobile site, though. Nardog (talk) 12:07, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Nardog, It is the same in desktop. When you click on the notification button with the number it changes to gray which is as usual and the normal behaviour the problem appears when you refresh the page, what is expected is that the bell icon appears like if there was no notification but what happens is that the notification appears again. The photos that you added suggest a different problem. The expected photos should not contain the number of notifications in gray but the bell icon.--SharabSalam (talk) 12:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @SharabSalam: Then I may be misremembering. Add that as a comment on Phabricator. Nardog (talk) 12:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    • Something I haven't tried; which is to trigger the notification again. I will ping a wrong random editor and see. This usually triggers a notification saying: “the ping was not sent because the user doesn't exist”. agsbshsisbsidsb.--SharabSalam (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • I got a notification, I clicked, read it, refreshed, the notification button returned red so it didn't help.--SharabSalam (talk) 21:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      @SharabSalam: if you go to Special:Notifications is it there? Also, I have no idea who User:agsbshsisbsidsb is, will assume you just typed random characters for some reason? — xaosflux Talk 22:00, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      I went there saw your ping. I returned here refreshed the page and the red button is still red.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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      Yes, it was random I tried to get a new notification and I got a new notification but the red button is not disappearing even after I saw the notification.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    What does clicking on the blue circle on the new notification do? Nardog (talk) 21:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    As I said I am using the mobile version of Wikipedia. I tried that too. I changed to desktop version clicked on the red button and the blue button. The blue button shows me old notifications like "user thank you" or something like that. Both the blue and the red button shows old notifications.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    No, I'm talking about the blue circle at the upper right of each notification. It toggles the read/unread status of the notification. If there's no blue circle and only empty circles then click on them a few times. Nardog (talk) 22:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I had no idea about the blue circle. I had never clicked on it since I joined Wikipedia. I have lots of notifications that I didn't click on their blue circle but I haven't got an issue like this before. It's gonna take a while to make all the circles empty? Is that what I should do? Make the circles empty or blue? Thank you for this information about the blue circle. I had no idea about it.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Thanks Nardog, the problem was fixed. I made all the circles empty. I always wondered why I get the number "+99" all the time on the notification button when I get one notification LOL today I learned.--SharabSalam (talk) 22:28, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    In the future, you can use "Mark all as read" (on mobile, the button with a check mark at the top). Nardog (talk) 22:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I did that in past I was hoping it will remove the "+99" number from the notification button but when I did that, only 20 notifications become read and I just didnt see them getting removed or changed hence I wasn't aware of the blue and empty circle thing. So I didn't repeat the process. --SharabSalam (talk) 22:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Nardog and Xaosflux: SharabSalam is correct, the behaviour has changed. As you know, if you got an alert notification (or thanks notification), the counter appears on a red (or blue) background. If you click that number, it changes to grey and the list of notifications appears. Let's assume that you don't do anything with those, but click away; the list disappears. Now follow a link (any link). At this point, the change in behaviour becomes apparent: the old behaviour was that the counter remained grey until the next notification came in; the new behaviour is that the counter becomes red (or blue) implying that you have new unseen notifications. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Ah, I could reproduce the problem based on your explanation (and ping). This certainly seems like a bug. Has this been reported on Phab? Nardog (talk) 23:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Is this happening in the mobile application, or the mobile web? — xaosflux Talk 23:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I confirmed it on the desktop site. Nardog (talk) 23:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Nardog: on desktop - not using .m. right? What skin are you using? — xaosflux Talk 23:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Vector. Nardog (talk) 23:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Also reproducible on the mobile web. The notification icon changes from red to gray when I click on it but not mark the new notification as read and close the panel, but it becomes red again if I refresh the page. Nardog (talk) 23:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I am seeing my blue "Notices" light on my desktop (Safari, iMac, OS 10.11) stay lit for a "Thank You" given 3 hours ago. My red "Alerts" light is off (i.e. gray); I received the last of those 5 days ago. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Now I'm getting the red light on when I refresh the page. It turns off when I click on it to see the alert, but then turns on again when I reload the page. I'm using standard, "vector" skin, IIRC; nothing fancy. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    That is exactly what I'm experiencing, and I believe what Redrose64 was explaining as well. Nardog (talk) 23:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    That is also what I was explaining. I also noticed that now when I ping a random user who doesnt exist I don't get a notification saying something like "the ping was not sent because the user doesn't exist"--SharabSalam (talk) 01:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @SharabSalam: Is "Failed mention" checked at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo-echosubscriptions? Nardog (talk) 01:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    It is checked. I just looked at it. I haven't changed anything there and above I have mentioned agsbshsisbsidsb and it worked but now it's not notifying me.--SharabSalam (talk) 01:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Okay it's working! it's working!. The whole notification when I ping anyone was not working with me and now it's working for unknown reason.--SharabSalam (talk) 01:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Just so people know, AFAIK SharabSalam here is saying that the notification for a failed mention is working for them now. The problem with the notifications as a whole (the grayed number turning red/blue again) still persists. Nardog (talk) 11:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Nardog: please open a phab ticket with the details. — xaosflux Talk 11:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Xaosflux: Done, though I'm not totally sure if I did an adequate enough job explaining. Nardog (talk) 12:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Seems good enough to get it started, check in if there are questions. — xaosflux Talk 12:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Could you recheck the photos that you added to explain the problem. The "expected" after clicking on the notification button and refreshing is that the number disappear and the gray bell icon appears but what happens right now is that the notification appears again as if I haven't clicked on the notification button.--SharabSalam (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    ┌────────────────────────────┘ @SharabSalam: I'm certain at least on the desktop site opening and closing the alerts panel without marking all alerts as read would have made the background of the unread count gray but didn't make the count disappear entirely. I don't know about the mobile site, though. Nardog (talk) 12:07, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Nardog, It is the same in desktop. When you click on the notification button with the number it changes to gray which is as usual and the normal behaviour the problem appears when you refresh the page, what is expected is that the bell icon appears like if there was no notification but what happens is that the notification appears again. The photos that you added suggest a different problem. The expected photos should not contain the number of notifications in gray but the bell icon.--SharabSalam (talk) 12:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @SharabSalam: Then I may be misremembering. Add that as a comment on Phabricator. Nardog (talk) 12:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    By the way, I am unable to enter or see that site ([30]) through my IP address I get this message all the time

    Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator at webmaster@wikimedia.org to inform them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just before this error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

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    Yesterday I was in another place where there is a WiFi network and I was able to see what was in the site. In my home I am unable to enter it.--SharabSalam (talk) 12:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @SharabSalam: Ok, I have quoted your comments on Phabricator. Nardog (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    To clarify, I was using desktop, Opera, MonoBook. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The notifications/buttons are remaining red and blue for me as well. They go away for a moment when clicked on and then come back. Marking all as "read" doesn't solve the issue. I'm using a laptop. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Flyer22 Reborn, from my experience, I clicked on "mark all as read" and then I closed the notification window and clicked on it again and marked all as read again.. I repeated this until the number in the notification button became zero then the notification disappeared.--SharabSalam (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I shouldn't have to do all that. This needs to be fixed. Maybe Johnuniq can help. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Flyer22 Reborn: Sorry, that's not my area. I usually work with a desktop browser with scripting disabled—I much prefer Wikipedia that way (except when I need to run some JavaScript). I find notifications to be a PITA with scripting enabled but have no idea whether more experience with that would help. Johnuniq (talk) 00:55, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Me too - Having same issue of red notification alert not going away. Desktop. Chrome. Vector. Thanks to all for their hard work! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:53, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Me three - Same problem here. The alerts and notices buttons stay "active" constantly. Clicking on them clears the "active" status but it comes back next time I go to any other page. JIP | Talk 10:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Yesterday I was in another place where there is a WiFi network and I was able to see what was in the site. In my home I am unable to enter it.--SharabSalam (talk) 12:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @SharabSalam: Ok, I have quoted your comments on Phabricator. Nardog (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    To clarify, I was using desktop, Opera, MonoBook. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The notifications/buttons are remaining red and blue for me as well. They go away for a moment when clicked on and then come back. Marking all as "read" doesn't solve the issue. I'm using a laptop. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Flyer22 Reborn, from my experience, I clicked on "mark all as read" and then I closed the notification window and clicked on it again and marked all as read again.. I repeated this until the number in the notification button became zero then the notification disappeared.--SharabSalam (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I shouldn't have to do all that. This needs to be fixed. Maybe Johnuniq can help. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Flyer22 Reborn: Sorry, that's not my area. I usually work with a desktop browser with scripting disabled—I much prefer Wikipedia that way (except when I need to run some JavaScript). I find notifications to be a PITA with scripting enabled but have no idea whether more experience with that would help. Johnuniq (talk) 00:55, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Me too - Having same issue of red notification alert not going away. Desktop. Chrome. Vector. Thanks to all for their hard work! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:53, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Me three - Same problem here. The alerts and notices buttons stay "active" constantly. Clicking on them clears the "active" status but it comes back next time I go to any other page. JIP | Talk 10:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Strikethrough blocked editors and SPI

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    Hi all Bbb23, Vanjagenije and myself are somewhat frustrated because the strikethrough blocked editors gadget/script is apparently not working with external links to user pages. At SPI this isn't great because {{checkuser}} uses external links to avoid pinging the users in question. Is there a solution to his? TonyBallioni (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi all Bbb23, Vanjagenije and myself are somewhat frustrated because the strikethrough blocked editors gadget/script is apparently not working with external links to user pages. At SPI this isn't great because {{checkuser}} uses external links to avoid pinging the users in question. Is there a solution to his? TonyBallioni (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    For additional background, please see Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Archives/Archive22#Markblocked. Also, it should be noted that the links to the master and to the list of suspected puppets do not correctly show as red if no userpage exists.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @TonyBallioni: use {{noping}} instead? If the only reason is to avoid "pinging", if you also want to avoid "what links here" that won't work though. — xaosflux Talk 20:09, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Uhh, never mind - that also uses external links... — xaosflux Talk 20:10, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    (edit conflict)Yeah, the problem is that anything using external links is borked now, and {{checkuser}} also has all the quick links that we need during the SPI process. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @TonyBallioni: Perhaps you could link to something else like TonyBallioni - and then update the script to also operate on that? — xaosflux Talk 20:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Navigation popups are able to operate on that for example. — xaosflux Talk 20:24, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • What is the precise bug? As far as I see, iff the user-pages are red-links, they are displayed in blue and not stricken but the t/p-and-contribution links are stricken, as usual. (Bravanello over this SPI.) Otherwise, (i.e. if the user-page exists), all the three links are indeed stricken. (MDPMHG over this SPI.) Am I correct? ∯WBGconverse 20:51, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
      I don't really agree about MDPMHG - it is not stricken in the first instance, which uses the noping like the usual CU templates, but it is later stricken when a different template is used. Try AIV, which basically uses the same noping mechanism. this is a blue userpage which isn't stricken. This is a non-existent user page which is blue and also not stricken. The striking does work for IPs at AIV (eg) which have red userpages, but not IP contributions listed at WP:OPD which are now not stricken. Previously, I think I'm right in saying, all these links were stricken. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:31, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Just, FYI: I've replied with a (hopefully) fixed script at the thread on WT:SPI. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 05:11, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    For additional background, please see Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/Archives/Archive22#Markblocked. Also, it should be noted that the links to the master and to the list of suspected puppets do not correctly show as red if no userpage exists.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @TonyBallioni: use {{noping}} instead? If the only reason is to avoid "pinging", if you also want to avoid "what links here" that won't work though. — xaosflux Talk 20:09, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Uhh, never mind - that also uses external links... — xaosflux Talk 20:10, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    (edit conflict)Yeah, the problem is that anything using external links is borked now, and {{checkuser}} also has all the quick links that we need during the SPI process. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @TonyBallioni: Perhaps you could link to something else like TonyBallioni - and then update the script to also operate on that? — xaosflux Talk 20:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Navigation popups are able to operate on that for example. — xaosflux Talk 20:24, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • What is the precise bug? As far as I see, iff the user-pages are red-links, they are displayed in blue and not stricken but the t/p-and-contribution links are stricken, as usual. (Bravanello over this SPI.) Otherwise, (i.e. if the user-page exists), all the three links are indeed stricken. (MDPMHG over this SPI.) Am I correct? ∯WBGconverse 20:51, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      I don't really agree about MDPMHG - it is not stricken in the first instance, which uses the noping like the usual CU templates, but it is later stricken when a different template is used. Try AIV, which basically uses the same noping mechanism. this is a blue userpage which isn't stricken. This is a non-existent user page which is blue and also not stricken. The striking does work for IPs at AIV (eg) which have red userpages, but not IP contributions listed at WP:OPD which are now not stricken. Previously, I think I'm right in saying, all these links were stricken. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:31, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Just, FYI: I've replied with a (hopefully) fixed script at the thread on WT:SPI. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 05:11, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    technical request

    Anachronist suggested me to try asking for this request here

    The ip range 151.48.0.0/17 was globally blocked by a steward because a user from this ip range used it to create several fake accounts and spam messages accross wikipedia @@ -1766,62 +1766,62 @@ Sorry should have said, monobook, Edge, Win10. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk • contribs) 18:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Semplicemente Agghiacciante — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk • contribs) 18:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    • The range was not unblocked locally, it was blocked here with settings that would allow account creation. The global block still prevents account creation; it would have to be lifted or modified globally, or locally via Special:GlobalBlockWhitelist, which can be used by any administrator. Peter James (talk) 19:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • The range was not unblocked locally, it was blocked here with settings that would allow account creation. The global block still prevents account creation; it would have to be lifted or modified globally, or locally via Special:GlobalBlockWhitelist, which can be used by any administrator. Peter James (talk) 19:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    I said that he possibility to create accounts was unblocked locally

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    Semplicemente Agghiacciante — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk • contribs) 18:01, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Semplicemente Agghiacciante — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk • contribs) 18:01, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    • This isn't a technical issue. The range was blocked here, then it was additionally blocked globally with a wider scope - everything is working properly. You can ask over at WP:AN if you think we should put in an override to the global block for some reason. — xaosflux Talk 18:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • This isn't a technical issue. The range was blocked here, then it was additionally blocked globally with a wider scope - everything is working properly. You can ask over at WP:AN if you think we should put in an override to the global block for some reason. — xaosflux Talk 18:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Actually it was blocked globally first (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:151.48.0.0/17) and then its local block settings were changed by Anachronist

    But it is true that for some reason it was reblocked globally with the same settings by another steward after its local unblocking and perhaps this is the cause of the glitch

    I will try asking where you said anyway -

    Semplicemente Agghiacciante — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk • contribs) 08:59, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Semplicemente Agghiacciante — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk • contribs) 08:59, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Semplicemente Agghiacciante: Yes sorry, had my dates backwards! So basically the additional local block did nothing except for ensure that range is blocked here even if the global block were to be removed. The "local settings" were not changed, an overlapping additional block was added. You could ask Anachronist to override the global block if they want to. — xaosflux Talk 15:03, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Hi, Semplicemente Agghiacciante, I have left you this message on your talk page about how to sign your posts. Or see WP:4TILDES. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:27, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Semplicemente Agghiacciante: Yes sorry, had my dates backwards! So basically the additional local block did nothing except for ensure that range is blocked here even if the global block were to be removed. The "local settings" were not changed, an overlapping additional block was added. You could ask Anachronist to override the global block if they want to. — xaosflux Talk 15:03, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Hi, Semplicemente Agghiacciante, I have left you this message on your talk page about how to sign your posts. Or see WP:4TILDES. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:27, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Anachronist tried overriding the global block by restoring his local settings but creating an account from this ip range is still impossible

    Who can have a look at this sort of bug in order to fix it ?

    In it.wikipedia.org when an italian ip range is globaly blocked it is often locally unblocked and there are no such problems

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    Semplicmente Agghiacciante — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk • contribs) 18:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Semplicmente Agghiacciante — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk • contribs) 18:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    As I replied above, You can ask over at WP:AN if you think we should put in an override to the global block for some reason. — xaosflux Talk 18:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    As I replied above, You can ask over at WP:AN if you think we should put in an override to the global block for some reason. — xaosflux Talk 18:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    So i have to ask for a special treatment for this globl block locally

    I thought that a sysop was normally able to override a global block to allow users to edit or creating accounts locally but i was wrong

    It is strange though because there are global blocks for italian ip ranges which are normally overridden in it.wikipedia.org

    I do not understand what difference there might be if i ask an english sysop to try overriding the block as i have already done and if i ask for the same thing in the noticeboard but i will do as you told me

    This should be a technical issue not something about permissions or groups -

    Semplicmente Agghiacciante Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk) 12:12, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Semplicmente Agghiacciante Semplicemente Agghiacciante (talk) 12:12, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Degua Tembien

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    Clicking on this link causes my processor to jump into overload and the page completely freezes. This happens in Linux Chrome 75 (not FF) private or standard mode. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? In IRC, User:AntiCompositeNumber mentioned it took longer than average but it did load for him. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 15:32, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Clicking on this link causes my processor to jump into overload and the page completely freezes. This happens in Linux Chrome 75 (not FF) private or standard mode. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? In IRC, User:AntiCompositeNumber mentioned it took longer than average but it did load for him. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 15:32, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    The page loads normally for me in Google Chrome 75 on Linux until it gets to File:ImbaKernale1936.tiff, which is displayed as a png thumbnail in the page. The thumbnail takes approximately 30 seconds to load, during which time part of the page does not render, links do not work, and Chrome task manager show the tab as using ~100% CPU. Loading the thumbnail directly produces the same issue: 30s load time and 100% CPU. On Firefox, the thumbnail loads in 2000ms with maybe 10% cpu. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The file is a 21 MB tiff which is unnecessarily large IMO. Maybe a reduced sized JPG version could be created (as a new file on Commons) for use in Wiki pages. -- GreenC 16:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    A conversion to JPG might also reveal any errors in the tiff that are causing rendering problems in browsers. When I try to view the tiff in Firefox and then "+" to expand to full size it doesn't work but prompts for file download. -- GreenC 16:40, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The TIFF seems to be a valid TIFF. But it contains a large block of data (about 20M of the 21M file) that's some sort of "Adobe Photoshop Document Data Block". That gets copied into the PNG thumbnail, and apparently the excessively large PNG chunk is making Chrome do a lot of work to process it. I have no idea whether the data in this huge block is legitimate Photoshop data or something else embedded. Anomie⚔ 23:33, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    TIFF and article are loading normally for me (maximally in 2 seconds). Eurohunter (talk) 15:48, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The page loads normally for me in Google Chrome 75 on Linux until it gets to File:ImbaKernale1936.tiff, which is displayed as a png thumbnail in the page. The thumbnail takes approximately 30 seconds to load, during which time part of the page does not render, links do not work, and Chrome task manager show the tab as using ~100% CPU. Loading the thumbnail directly produces the same issue: 30s load time and 100% CPU. On Firefox, the thumbnail loads in 2000ms with maybe 10% cpu. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The file is a 21 MB tiff which is unnecessarily large IMO. Maybe a reduced sized JPG version could be created (as a new file on Commons) for use in Wiki pages. -- GreenC 16:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    A conversion to JPG might also reveal any errors in the tiff that are causing rendering problems in browsers. When I try to view the tiff in Firefox and then "+" to expand to full size it doesn't work but prompts for file download. -- GreenC 16:40, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The TIFF seems to be a valid TIFF. But it contains a large block of data (about 20M of the 21M file) that's some sort of "Adobe Photoshop Document Data Block". That gets copied into the PNG thumbnail, and apparently the excessively large PNG chunk is making Chrome do a lot of work to process it. I have no idea whether the data in this huge block is legitimate Photoshop data or something else embedded. Anomie⚔ 23:33, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    TIFF and article are loading normally for me (maximally in 2 seconds). Eurohunter (talk) 15:48, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests

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    How it's done that Hong Kong English banner is showing on the top of the page while editing? Eurohunter (talk) 15:50, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    How it's done that Hong Kong English banner is showing on the top of the page while editing? Eurohunter (talk) 15:50, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Template:Editnotices/Page/2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:52, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Template:Editnotices/Page/2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:52, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Re-request for auto archiving

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    For two talk pages. See Talk:Juul and see Talk:Pax_Labs QuackGuru (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    For two talk pages. See Talk:Juul and see Talk:Pax_Labs QuackGuru (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    When you say "re-request", where are the previous requests? We would like to see why they were not actioned. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    When you say "re-request", where are the previous requests? We would like to see why they were not actioned. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Authority Control: "The NLR id XXXXXXXXX is not valid"

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    I'm seeing this large notice in red on all kinds of Authority Control templates now. Also "The BNC id XXXXXXXXXX is not valid". Sample: [31]. Could someone please fix this? Softlavender (talk) 08:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I'm seeing this large notice in red on all kinds of Authority Control templates now. Also "The BNC id XXXXXXXXXX is not valid". Sample: [31]. Could someone please fix this? Softlavender (talk) 08:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    It was broken by this edit which added the identifiers here for the first time. NLP with 2K+ pages is broken too. For instance; its regex requires every id to be prefixed with 9810- but the 2500+ broken pages seem to be using IDs in the form of A12345678; i.e 'A' prefix followed by 8 numbers. If the regex by Tom.Reding is correct, then all those ids have to be corrected from Wikidata otherwise the regex needs to be corrected. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:20, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Can someone please simply remove the non-working identifiers added by Tom.Reding? This is an absolute mess. -- Softlavender (talk) 10:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • For some examples, there are currently nearly 5,000 NLP-invalid messages on Authority Control templates: [32]; nearly 700 NLR-invalid messages on Authority Control templates: [33], and at least 170 BNC-invalid messages: [34]. -- Softlavender (talk) 10:15, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • At template talk I investigated two of the errors and found that the template is correct, namely that the values in Wikidata are invalid. Can anyone find an id that causes an error to display yet which works when its link is clicked at the article's Wikidata item? Johnuniq (talk) 11:07, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
      • If values of an identifier are incorrect on Wikidata, they should never have been added to Authority Control. Could someone please revert all of those non-working additions until such time as the information for them on Wikidata is correct? Softlavender (talk) 11:25, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    This discussion should probably move to Template talk:Authority control. --Izno (talk) 17:22, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    It was broken by this edit which added the identifiers here for the first time. NLP with 2K+ pages is broken too. For instance; its regex requires every id to be prefixed with 9810- but the 2500+ broken pages seem to be using IDs in the form of A12345678; i.e 'A' prefix followed by 8 numbers. If the regex by Tom.Reding is correct, then all those ids have to be corrected from Wikidata otherwise the regex needs to be corrected. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:20, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Can someone please simply remove the non-working identifiers added by Tom.Reding? This is an absolute mess. -- Softlavender (talk) 10:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • For some examples, there are currently nearly 5,000 NLP-invalid messages on Authority Control templates: [32]; nearly 700 NLR-invalid messages on Authority Control templates: [33], and at least 170 BNC-invalid messages: [34]. -- Softlavender (talk) 10:15, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • At template talk I investigated two of the errors and found that the template is correct, namely that the values in Wikidata are invalid. Can anyone find an id that causes an error to display yet which works when its link is clicked at the article's Wikidata item? Johnuniq (talk) 11:07, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      • If values of an identifier are incorrect on Wikidata, they should never have been added to Authority Control. Could someone please revert all of those non-working additions until such time as the information for them on Wikidata is correct? Softlavender (talk) 11:25, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    This discussion should probably move to Template talk:Authority control. --Izno (talk) 17:22, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    I commented-out the IDs in the module to avoid the problem, see template talk. Johnuniq (talk) 02:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I commented-out the IDs in the module to avoid the problem, see template talk. Johnuniq (talk) 02:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Request for Comments: WikiLoop Battlefield

    Hi Techy Wikipedians, I'd like to invite you to try out an open source tool we are actively developing: WikiLoop Battlefield. It's goal is to make monitoring Wikipedia incoming edits, in particular, potential vandalism, easier.

    See it here @@ -1845,56 +1845,56 @@ It's still in early stage of development, any suggestions are greatly appreciate

    WikiLoop Battlefield-demo-1.2.0-beta.gif

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    Xinbenlv(t) please notify me with {{ping}} 04:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Xinbenlv(t) please notify me with {{ping}} 04:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Xinbenlv: For the "what links here" page to function, it's better to link to the page using wiki-markup: Wikipedia:WikiLoop Battlefield. I had an incredibly frustrating experience earlier this afternoon because a user made an incomplete revert with this tool, which shouldn't even be possible in the first place, at Federation of Australia, an article on my watchlist. It was difficult to figure out where to report the issue; I've added the GitHub link to the project page and reported it there. I also wrote a message on Meta; I don't feel like reporting the second issue there to GitHub because it's so minor, but it's about where the link in the edit summary should go. I consider the first issue so major that I don't think the program should make any more edits until it is fixed. Graham87 07:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Xinbenlv: For the "what links here" page to function, it's better to link to the page using wiki-markup: Wikipedia:WikiLoop Battlefield. I had an incredibly frustrating experience earlier this afternoon because a user made an incomplete revert with this tool, which shouldn't even be possible in the first place, at Federation of Australia, an article on my watchlist. It was difficult to figure out where to report the issue; I've added the GitHub link to the project page and reported it there. I also wrote a message on Meta; I don't feel like reporting the second issue there to GitHub because it's so minor, but it's about where the link in the edit summary should go. I consider the first issue so major that I don't think the program should make any more edits until it is fixed. Graham87 07:00, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Barnstar pictures not showing

    Barnstars picture issue - Davey2010.png

    Hi, Yesterday night I'd reinstated my userpage however I've noticed a few barnstar pictures not showing on my userpage or at User:Davey2010/Barnstars,
    I've tried CTRL & F5 as well as WP:PURGE but nothing's working?, The pictures show on other editors userpages so I would assume it's either related to my barnstars page or my laptop?,
    -Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 14:31, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 14:31, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Your icons shows up for me, but I've seen the same happen randomly on various userboxes and WikiProject templates recently. For example {{User WikiProject Uganda}} shows up for me as "Flag of Uganda.svg" on Chrome but shows up correctly on Safari. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Your icons shows up for me, but I've seen the same happen randomly on various userboxes and WikiProject templates recently. For example {{User WikiProject Uganda}} shows up for me as "Flag of Uganda.svg" on Chrome but shows up correctly on Safari. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah okay, Tried Firefox and it does work there so reading your reply I would obviously say it's something wrong with Chrome,
    Downloaded IE but it wants me to restart the laptop in order to install it ... something I can't be bothered to do given the length of time it takes for this machine to boot up ... so we'll assume it works on there too :),
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    Anyway many thanks for your help! :), –Davey2010Talk 18:06, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Anyway many thanks for your help! :), –Davey2010Talk 18:06, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]


    Preferences

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    Is there a way to make our preferences global, or at least the default across the different wiki sites? — Ched :  ?  — 20:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Is there a way to make our preferences global, or at least the default across the different wiki sites? — Ched :  ?  — 20:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Try Special:GlobalPreferences. --Izno (talk) 20:23, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thank you — Ched :  ?  — 21:02, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Ched: At Preferences, on the first page under "Basic information", you should find "Global preferences: Set your global preferences
    Preferences set via the global preferences page will apply to all wikis." --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:07, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thank you Redrose64. I noticed that now I have the option to override individual settings now, and that the gadgets aren't available globally. It's still enough to make any efforts outside en-wp a bit more similar. Appreciate the help folks. — Ched :  ?  — 21:17, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    No, gadgets are local to each wiki. But if you know how to use @import in CSS and mw.loader.load in JavaScript, it's possible to use a gadget from one wiki on another wiki. For example, there are no gadgets at Wicipedia Cymraeg - yet I use one there, by means of cy:Defnyddiwr:Redrose64/common.js. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Which actually can be extended by addition to your global CSS and JS pages at e.g. meta:User:Izno/global.css and meta:User:Izno/global.js. You can probably load certain gadgets optionally on certain wikis with a little more know how. --Izno (talk) 21:55, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Try Special:GlobalPreferences. --Izno (talk) 20:23, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thank you — Ched :  ?  — 21:02, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Ched: At Preferences, on the first page under "Basic information", you should find "Global preferences: Set your global preferences
    Preferences set via the global preferences page will apply to all wikis." --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:07, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thank you Redrose64. I noticed that now I have the option to override individual settings now, and that the gadgets aren't available globally. It's still enough to make any efforts outside en-wp a bit more similar. Appreciate the help folks. — Ched :  ?  — 21:17, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    No, gadgets are local to each wiki. But if you know how to use @import in CSS and mw.loader.load in JavaScript, it's possible to use a gadget from one wiki on another wiki. For example, there are no gadgets at Wicipedia Cymraeg - yet I use one there, by means of cy:Defnyddiwr:Redrose64/common.js. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Which actually can be extended by addition to your global CSS and JS pages at e.g. meta:User:Izno/global.css and meta:User:Izno/global.js. You can probably load certain gadgets optionally on certain wikis with a little more know how. --Izno (talk) 21:55, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Issue with Color templates, right side overflow

    Greetings, While viewing article Blue, it has a template link for {{Shades of blue}} which I noticed is overflowing outside the box on the right side. Next, I clicked on {{Shades of cyan}} with the same issue. So I successfully added <br> to keep the lines within the cyan template box. -

    Then I found Category:Shades of color templates and see more templates; most having the same overflow on right side. I see that {{Shades of color}} has a width value of 100-percent, but I don't know if reducing that number is the answer. Asking for help from a "Template Expert" since it's way beyond anything I would know how to do correctly. Thanks, JoeHebda (talk) 16:32, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Then I found Category:Shades of color templates and see more templates; most having the same overflow on right side. I see that {{Shades of color}} has a width value of 100-percent, but I don't know if reducing that number is the answer. Asking for help from a "Template Expert" since it's way beyond anything I would know how to do correctly. Thanks, JoeHebda (talk) 16:32, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    The problem comes from the fact that {{navbox}} (in Module:Navbox) applies the class "nowraplinks" to the table, preventing all the links from wrapping. Rather than adding <br> all over the place, there should probably be a way for {{Shades of color}} to somehow avoid the use of that class in the first place. Anomie⚔ 19:11, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Have a look at this sandbox change and compare the test cases and see if it's any better. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:10, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
     Done - Thanks Anomie and WOSlinker for your help! Best solution ever. I changed the {{Shades of color}}, added the "nowraplinks"; checked "Shades of" for Red, Blue, Yellow all of which are now good-no overflow. Lastly, I updated Cyan with undo of my prior "br" changes. Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 22:36, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The problem comes from the fact that {{navbox}} (in Module:Navbox) applies the class "nowraplinks" to the table, preventing all the links from wrapping. Rather than adding <br> all over the place, there should probably be a way for {{Shades of color}} to somehow avoid the use of that class in the first place. Anomie⚔ 19:11, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Have a look at this sandbox change and compare the test cases and see if it's any better. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:10, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
     Done - Thanks Anomie and WOSlinker for your help! Best solution ever. I changed the {{Shades of color}}, added the "nowraplinks"; checked "Shades of" for Red, Blue, Yellow all of which are now good-no overflow. Lastly, I updated Cyan with undo of my prior "br" changes. Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 22:36, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Visual editor garbling markup

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    For some reason, in this edit part of the markup was replaced by ... snowmen? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    For some reason, in this edit part of the markup was replaced by ... snowmen? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Seems VE producing snowmen is quite a regular issue per phab search. Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    IIRC VE uses the snowman as some sort of error marker. If you can give instructions for reproducing it, you should file a task about it. Anomie⚔ 20:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    indeed. search found 2 articles with snowman on enwiki: Becky Baeling and Jaipur Rugs (excluding couple of articles where it assumed to be intentional). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 20:58, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The snowman issue happened after I copied text from one section to the other, it didn't move and was instead replaced by snowmen. Before that, both the template and image adding functions hanged at least once, forcing me to close-and-reopen the browser tab to un-hang it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    guess: this has nothing to do with VE specifically. it's Aug 1, and the code version was updated today (see Special:Version). during and shortly after update, strange non-reproducible bugs tend to pop up, usually as a result of browser running mix of sources from old and new versions. putting it a bit differently, the browser sometimes uses cached source file from yesterday's version in conjunction with other, fresh files from today's. complete refresh (usually Ctrl-refresh, but may depend on browser) will update all the sources to the new version and solve the issue. unfortunately, closing and opening the browser, or doing a simple refresh, isn't always enough. it used to be very common issue around the time of software update. i was under the impression that it was solved, but recently i saw several new cases of "Inexplicit bugs on the day of SW update". peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 22:02, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Jo-Jo Eumerus, Galobtter, Anomie, and קיפודנחש, please see Wikipedia:☃. For most of its history it's been a redirect to WP:SNOW, but from 2014 until 2016 and from a few minutes ago until the present, it's been a redirect to a VE feedback page. Nyttend (talk) 20:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Seems VE producing snowmen is quite a regular issue per phab search. Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    IIRC VE uses the snowman as some sort of error marker. If you can give instructions for reproducing it, you should file a task about it. Anomie⚔ 20:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    indeed. search found 2 articles with snowman on enwiki: Becky Baeling and Jaipur Rugs (excluding couple of articles where it assumed to be intentional). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 20:58, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The snowman issue happened after I copied text from one section to the other, it didn't move and was instead replaced by snowmen. Before that, both the template and image adding functions hanged at least once, forcing me to close-and-reopen the browser tab to un-hang it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    guess: this has nothing to do with VE specifically. it's Aug 1, and the code version was updated today (see Special:Version). during and shortly after update, strange non-reproducible bugs tend to pop up, usually as a result of browser running mix of sources from old and new versions. putting it a bit differently, the browser sometimes uses cached source file from yesterday's version in conjunction with other, fresh files from today's. complete refresh (usually Ctrl-refresh, but may depend on browser) will update all the sources to the new version and solve the issue. unfortunately, closing and opening the browser, or doing a simple refresh, isn't always enough. it used to be very common issue around the time of software update. i was under the impression that it was solved, but recently i saw several new cases of "Inexplicit bugs on the day of SW update". peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 22:02, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    +

    Jo-Jo Eumerus, Galobtter, Anomie, and קיפודנחש, please see Wikipedia:☃. For most of its history it's been a redirect to WP:SNOW, but from 2014 until 2016 and from a few minutes ago until the present, it's been a redirect to a VE feedback page. Nyttend (talk) 20:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]


    More VisualEditor problems

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    Well, it's been three days since the update and when I was trying to add a list of sources to use for Black Rock Desert volcanic field through VE and it kept 404'ing. It also didn't allow for any or any other edit, when I force-loaded the whole page it just lost the whole edit. What is up with this? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:15, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Well, it's been three days since the update and when I was trying to add a list of sources to use for Black Rock Desert volcanic field through VE and it kept 404'ing. It also didn't allow for any or any other edit, when I force-loaded the whole page it just lost the whole edit. What is up with this? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:15, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Jo-Jo Eumerus, even I had the same issue, hours back but after a forced-new-edit (which lost the prev. data), it started to work fine. ∯WBGconverse 14:23, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    For the past several days, I have been unable to convert bare url references using the Visual Editor. Normally, while in Visual Editor mode, I can click on a numbered bare url reference and a "convert box" appears on screen. Well, the "convert box" still pops up on screen, but there is no longer a "convert" button inside the box. Does not matter if I am using Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, or Mozilla Firefox browsers; Visual Editor will no longer convert bare url's. Woodlot (talk) 17:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Yup, I'm seeing the same thing. For example, reference 1 of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rabbit_of_Paris_M%C3%A9tro&oldid=909332927 -- RoySmith (talk) 22:45, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Jo-Jo Eumerus, even I had the same issue, hours back but after a forced-new-edit (which lost the prev. data), it started to work fine. ∯WBGconverse 14:23, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    For the past several days, I have been unable to convert bare url references using the Visual Editor. Normally, while in Visual Editor mode, I can click on a numbered bare url reference and a "convert box" appears on screen. Well, the "convert box" still pops up on screen, but there is no longer a "convert" button inside the box. Does not matter if I am using Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, or Mozilla Firefox browsers; Visual Editor will no longer convert bare url's. Woodlot (talk) 17:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Yup, I'm seeing the same thing. For example, reference 1 of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Rabbit_of_Paris_M%C3%A9tro&oldid=909332927 -- RoySmith (talk) 22:45, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Tech News: 2019-32

    Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. @@ -1914,13 +1914,13 @@ which I noticed is overflowing outside the box on the right side. Next, I clicke

    13:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

    SineBot on strike?

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    The SineBot (talk · contribs) has not made any edits since 2019 Jul 25. What has happened.? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    The SineBot (talk · contribs) has not made any edits since 2019 Jul 25. What has happened.? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    The operator, User:Slakr, hasn't edited since 22 July. Maybe something crashed with the bot and Slakr hasn't noticed the problem yet? Or maybe a MediaWiki software change affected something on which the bot depended, making it unable to function? I doubt there's any way to identify the precise problem until Slakr returns to activity — since the source code has not been published, only the operator knows how the bot works, and only the operator can figure out what critical processes may have been broken. And of course, only the operator can check to see if the operator's personal computer has stopped working properly at home. Nyttend (talk) 21:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Can't find any sinebot stuff on Toolforge; I could be looking in the wrong place, of course, but that doesn't bode well for someone else being able to take over. While I was poking around, I found a project called mh-signbot, maintained by Zppix and a couple of other people, that seems to have some promising-looking Python code. I will read it more closely and look into running it (and someone else isn't already set up to run it, of course). Enterprisey (talk!) 09:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Oh, that's the Commons signbot, operated by Zhuyifei1999. So we might be able to get some help while this outage continues. (Also, we now definitely know that the code works.) I've pinged 'em over on Commons. Enterprisey (talk!) 09:31, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The operator, User:Slakr, hasn't edited since 22 July. Maybe something crashed with the bot and Slakr hasn't noticed the problem yet? Or maybe a MediaWiki software change affected something on which the bot depended, making it unable to function? I doubt there's any way to identify the precise problem until Slakr returns to activity — since the source code has not been published, only the operator knows how the bot works, and only the operator can figure out what critical processes may have been broken. And of course, only the operator can check to see if the operator's personal computer has stopped working properly at home. Nyttend (talk) 21:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Can't find any sinebot stuff on Toolforge; I could be looking in the wrong place, of course, but that doesn't bode well for someone else being able to take over. While I was poking around, I found a project called mh-signbot, maintained by Zppix and a couple of other people, that seems to have some promising-looking Python code. I will read it more closely and look into running it (and someone else isn't already set up to run it, of course). Enterprisey (talk!) 09:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Oh, that's the Commons signbot, operated by Zhuyifei1999. So we might be able to get some help while this outage continues. (Also, we now definitely know that the code works.) I've pinged 'em over on Commons. Enterprisey (talk!) 09:31, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    mh-signbot was a fork by them to operate on Miraheze, which didn't work out at the time due to them lacking eventstreams, no idea about its current state. There are also quite a few other forks, the one I know best is dewiki fork (de:Special:Contribs/CountCountBot), which I haven't had the time to look into closely and upstream any changes, and is worsened by the fact that I did a restructure of the code right after they forked it, but before I noticed the fork... Unfortunately, the code is doomed to deadlock at some point and needs manual restarting.
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    As for running it here, I would very much prefer a local bot op to operate it. There are a few site-local customizations that needs changing. The latest code of upstream Commons one is on gist. I'm happy to help if you run into technical issues. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 15:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    As for running it here, I would very much prefer a local bot op to operate it. There are a few site-local customizations that needs changing. The latest code of upstream Commons one is on gist. I'm happy to help if you run into technical issues. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 15:26, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Template:colored link in sortable table headers breaks linking

    In the following example table:

    @@ -1940,7 +1940,7 @@ which I noticed is overflowing outside the box on the right side. Next, I clicke y -

    "Foo", a regular link, is perfectly clickable, and takes me to that article; but Bar (which is {{colored link|green|Bar}}) just sorts the table, as if I'd clicked the up-down button. List of minor planets: 541001–542000 and friends are examples of this in the wild. I'm using Firefox. Eman235/talk 20:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    "Foo", a regular link, is perfectly clickable, and takes me to that article; but Bar (which is {{colored link|green|Bar}}) just sorts the table, as if I'd clicked the up-down button. List of minor planets: 541001–542000 and friends are examples of this in the wild. I'm using Firefox. Eman235/talk 20:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    @Eman235: wrap a div around it for a quick fix:
    @@ -1959,19 +1959,19 @@ which I noticed is overflowing outside the box on the right side. Next, I clicke
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    — xaosflux Talk 21:06, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Still doesn't work for me ): Eman235/talk 21:09, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I got tricked in preview mode, looking for an "easy" way for you to do this, there are tricky ways. — xaosflux Talk 21:12, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    If nothing else, a tricky solution might be fine for Template:List of minor planets/header2 (it being a template and all). Eman235/talk 21:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Non-technically, this isn't a great idea, is there an overwhelming editorial reason that this table should have colored headers? — xaosflux Talk 22:29, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Not sure—pinging Rfassbind, who added the colored headers early last month. Eman235/talk 23:29, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    While this precise situation probably isn't a great idea, something's still broken, since the whole point of {{colored link}} is to produce a link, and we need to figure out how to repair it. Nyttend (talk) 21:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Nyttend and Eman235: yea - someone should open a phab ticket, it isn't the template per se, but if a span is used on a table headerer with wikitable sortable, the label is turned in to the control when it isn't expected to be... — xaosflux Talk 22:14, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    More specifically, the problem is that the JS tablesorter code tries to avoid triggering when a link is clicked, but it only special-cases clicks on the <a> element itself. With {{colored link}}, it sees the <span> used for applying the coloring as the thing clicked and doesn't bother to check whether that <span> is inside of an <a>. This would also happen with things like italic or bold markup inside a link in a table header, basically anything where there's a tag inside the <a>. Anomie⚔ 12:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    ┌─────────────────┘ For the list of minor planets: 541001–542000 and friends, the standard, light-grey color for wikitable headers is undesirable, because it is too similar to the existing color palette used for the table rows. Is there a WP:POLICY that forbids changing the table-header color despite good reasons? While the link and sort features are currently in conflict with each other, the middle mouse button still works. I'm currently testing a work-around for said conflict. If no simple solution can be found, the table's sortability feature will have to go. Rfassbind – talk 21:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    — xaosflux Talk 21:06, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Still doesn't work for me ): Eman235/talk 21:09, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I got tricked in preview mode, looking for an "easy" way for you to do this, there are tricky ways. — xaosflux Talk 21:12, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    If nothing else, a tricky solution might be fine for Template:List of minor planets/header2 (it being a template and all). Eman235/talk 21:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Non-technically, this isn't a great idea, is there an overwhelming editorial reason that this table should have colored headers? — xaosflux Talk 22:29, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Not sure—pinging Rfassbind, who added the colored headers early last month. Eman235/talk 23:29, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    While this precise situation probably isn't a great idea, something's still broken, since the whole point of {{colored link}} is to produce a link, and we need to figure out how to repair it. Nyttend (talk) 21:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Nyttend and Eman235: yea - someone should open a phab ticket, it isn't the template per se, but if a span is used on a table headerer with wikitable sortable, the label is turned in to the control when it isn't expected to be... — xaosflux Talk 22:14, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    More specifically, the problem is that the JS tablesorter code tries to avoid triggering when a link is clicked, but it only special-cases clicks on the <a> element itself. With {{colored link}}, it sees the <span> used for applying the coloring as the thing clicked and doesn't bother to check whether that <span> is inside of an <a>. This would also happen with things like italic or bold markup inside a link in a table header, basically anything where there's a tag inside the <a>. Anomie⚔ 12:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    ┌─────────────────┘ For the list of minor planets: 541001–542000 and friends, the standard, light-grey color for wikitable headers is undesirable, because it is too similar to the existing color palette used for the table rows. Is there a WP:POLICY that forbids changing the table-header color despite good reasons? While the link and sort features are currently in conflict with each other, the middle mouse button still works. I'm currently testing a work-around for said conflict. If no simple solution can be found, the table's sortability feature will have to go. Rfassbind – talk 21:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    The problem with using multiple colors for meaning is that it's sometimes not as accessible for colorblind people like me, and it's meaningless to the blind. But it sounds like you're doing this just for variation, in a situation where variation has a practical benefit. That should be fine as far as accessibility is concerned, but if you use multiple colors, users will expect meaning to be associated with the different colors, and "random" use of colors will be confusing. If your exclusive purpose is distinguishing the text from something else, why not just pick one color and use it consistently? Either users won't notice, or they'll notice and not be confused. Also, the middle mouse button doesn't always work: when I do a middle-click with my mouse, it brings up something that's intended to let me choose an open window to use (browser, calculator, Notepad, etc.) and doesn't open a new browser tab with the link target, as it did on my previous computers. I'm using Windows 10 with Internet Explorer; I don't know if other browsers or other operating systems will behave the same way. However, if I'm using the touchpad on the same computer, I don't have a middle mouse button, and I have no idea if there's an analogous feature for people who edit on smartphones. Nyttend (talk) 22:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The links work with Help:Sorting#Sorting buttons in a separate row like below. But it looks bad and may sound like an empty row in a screen reader. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The problem with using multiple colors for meaning is that it's sometimes not as accessible for colorblind people like me, and it's meaningless to the blind. But it sounds like you're doing this just for variation, in a situation where variation has a practical benefit. That should be fine as far as accessibility is concerned, but if you use multiple colors, users will expect meaning to be associated with the different colors, and "random" use of colors will be confusing. If your exclusive purpose is distinguishing the text from something else, why not just pick one color and use it consistently? Either users won't notice, or they'll notice and not be confused. Also, the middle mouse button doesn't always work: when I do a middle-click with my mouse, it brings up something that's intended to let me choose an open window to use (browser, calculator, Notepad, etc.) and doesn't open a new browser tab with the link target, as it did on my previous computers. I'm using Windows 10 with Internet Explorer; I don't know if other browsers or other operating systems will behave the same way. However, if I'm using the touchpad on the same computer, I don't have a middle mouse button, and I have no idea if there's an analogous feature for people who edit on smartphones. Nyttend (talk) 22:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The links work with Help:Sorting#Sorting buttons in a separate row like below. But it looks bad and may sound like an empty row in a screen reader. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:54, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Designation @@ -2053,49 +2053,49 @@ which I noticed is overflowing outside the box on the right side. Next, I clicke 1.4 km MPC · JPL
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    Graham87, could you check this table and tell us how your screen reader handles it? This table has six lines: "Designation and Discovery" appear on the first line (a header), "Permanent" and "Provisional" and "Citation" and "Date" and "Site" and "Discoverer(s)" and "Category" and "Diam." appear on the second (also a header), the third is spots where one can click to re-sort, and data appear on the fourth through the sixth. Also, there's a "Ref" header that appears in a merged first and second line. Nyttend backup (talk) 16:34, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Not use a screen reader, but as a generic reader this makes me think something is missing by having the controls on their own row with no labels. — xaosflux Talk 16:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Graham87, could you check this table and tell us how your screen reader handles it? This table has six lines: "Designation and Discovery" appear on the first line (a header), "Permanent" and "Provisional" and "Citation" and "Date" and "Site" and "Discoverer(s)" and "Category" and "Diam." appear on the second (also a header), the third is spots where one can click to re-sort, and data appear on the fourth through the sixth. Also, there's a "Ref" header that appears in a merged first and second line. Nyttend backup (talk) 16:34, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Not use a screen reader, but as a generic reader this makes me think something is missing by having the controls on their own row with no labels. — xaosflux Talk 16:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    New user script: Superjump

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    Hi everyone! Just wrote a new user script. I don't usually announce new ones here, but I think this one is pretty useful. With this script, you can add custom keyboard shortcuts that will take you to any page. You can also have sub-menus, which allow for key sequences. Documentation is at User:Enterprisey/superjump, code is at User:Enterprisey/superjump.js, and I wrote a config tool so you don't have to write JSON if you don't want to. Feedback is welcome! Enterprisey (talk!) 07:19, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi everyone! Just wrote a new user script. I don't usually announce new ones here, but I think this one is pretty useful. With this script, you can add custom keyboard shortcuts that will take you to any page. You can also have sub-menus, which allow for key sequences. Documentation is at User:Enterprisey/superjump, code is at User:Enterprisey/superjump.js, and I wrote a config tool so you don't have to write JSON if you don't want to. Feedback is welcome! Enterprisey (talk!) 07:19, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Enterprisey, it's a good script. but why can't I get my to work User:CAPTAIN MEDUSA/superjump-config.json ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 19:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Enterprisey, it's a good script. but why can't I get my to work User:CAPTAIN MEDUSA/superjump-config.json ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 19:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    HotCat with Timeless skin

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    HotCat does not appear to work with the timeless skin activated. Is there any way to fix this? --PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already? 19:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    HotCat does not appear to work with the timeless skin activated. Is there any way to fix this? --PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already? 19:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Puzzledvegetable, see phab:T181344 Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Puzzledvegetable, see phab:T181344 Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Mobile version infobox country and the lede

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    Hi, so I noticed today in the mobile version that infobox country appears before the lede paragraph. This was not the case before. It was firstly the lede paragraph then the infobox of the country. e.g Yemen, Algeria.--SharabSalam (talk) 02:57, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi, so I noticed today in the mobile version that infobox country appears before the lede paragraph. This was not the case before. It was firstly the lede paragraph then the infobox of the country. e.g Yemen, Algeria.--SharabSalam (talk) 02:57, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Edit counter and "Top Edits" currently non-functional

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    I can't get the xtools.wmflabs.org "Edit count" tool to work, either on overall edits by an editor or an editor's edits per page. It just keeps loading and then times out, with the message "Sorry, the requested information took too long to process (timeout 600 seconds). In order to save resources, the query was automatically killed." Help! Softlavender (talk) 02:31, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I can't get the xtools.wmflabs.org "Edit count" tool to work, either on overall edits by an editor or an editor's edits per page. It just keeps loading and then times out, with the message "Sorry, the requested information took too long to process (timeout 600 seconds). In order to save resources, the query was automatically killed." Help! Softlavender (talk) 02:31, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    @Softlavender: Everything is in working order on my end. Could you give examples? I'm assuming you were looking up a user with a very high edit count, or a page with a very high revision count. In these cases it is expected to go slow and unfortunately sometimes timeout. That said, the database servers have been performing very well as of late, so you shouldn't see this error very often.
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    Remember you can make the Edit Counter go faster by asking for only the data you want, using the checkboxes at https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec. — MusikAnimal talk 02:42, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Update: It's the "Top Edits" that's timing out, although a user's overall edits is loading very very very slow as well. For an example of the Top Edits timing out, try to search my edits to WP:ANI: [37]. -- Softlavender (talk) 02:54, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      Remember you can make the Edit Counter go faster by asking for only the data you want, using the checkboxes at https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec. — MusikAnimal talk 02:42, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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      • Update: It's the "Top Edits" that's timing out, although a user's overall edits is loading very very very slow as well. For an example of the Top Edits timing out, try to search my edits to WP:ANI: [37]. -- Softlavender (talk) 02:54, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        @Softlavender: Thanks. AN/I is one of those pages that is less likely to be successful :( There are over a million edits to scan. I can try to make it only search the past N revisions or something, so that you can at least get some data.
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        I'm not sure about the Edit Counter being slow; it took about 25 seconds for your account. This is reasonably fast considering your 82,000+ edit count. — MusikAnimal talk 03:13, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
        I have never had the Edit Counter to time out when searching prolific users' edits to ANI, and I have done that search often with many prolific ANI posters (i.e., posting many hundreds of times to ANI). Can someone please fix it? Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 03:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
        I'm not sure about the Edit Counter being slow; it took about 25 seconds for your account. This is reasonably fast considering your 82,000+ edit count. — MusikAnimal talk 03:13, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
        I have never had the Edit Counter to time out when searching prolific users' edits to ANI, and I have done that search often with many prolific ANI posters (i.e., posting many hundreds of times to ANI). Can someone please fix it? Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 03:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        It took nearly 20 minutes, but I did get results using Sigma's tool, so feel free to use that as an alternative, since it doesn't seem to have a time limit. You have made a lot of edits to AN/I, so perhaps this combined with the long history of AN/I is what's making it so slow. There are many other factors; it's hard to say why your account times out and not others.
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        I'm not certain I can come up with a quick fix for XTools. We simply can't allow queries to run for that long. I shall try, though! — MusikAnimal talk 04:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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      • I'm guessing that this new format and version [38], which looks nothing like the old format and version, is the problem, but no one wants to admit it doesn't work. Could we therefore revert to the previous, working version? Softlavender (talk) 03:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
        Hmm the last change to Top Edits was on May 29, and that was supposed to make it go faster, not slower. I just replied to you above; it seems there's something especially slow about your account + AN/I, and it's not unique to XTools. Use Sigma's tool for now since it doesn't have a time limit. I've changed MediaWiki:Histlegend to link to this tool, too (it was changed to XTools because at the time Sigma's tools were down). — MusikAnimal talk 04:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
        Whatever the case, Top Edits is clearly not working, so it needs to either be fixed or reverted to a version that worked, or it needs to be replaced with Sigma's tool on all WP:PAGEHISTORY pages. Softlavender (talk) 04:52, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
        I don't think there were any code changes that caused this. Database queries can be very complex with many factors that could cause them to be slow. It may have been not-slow before, but AN/I has since grown, or perhaps the problem is that a lot of people are using the database servers right now. It's not easy to debug, but queries timing out for a pages like AN/I is really of no surprise. Sigma's tool is struggling too in this case, but as I stated above, MediaWiki:Histlegend has been updated to link to it. — MusikAnimal talk 05:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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      I'm not certain I can come up with a quick fix for XTools. We simply can't allow queries to run for that long. I shall try, though! — MusikAnimal talk 04:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • I'm guessing that this new format and version [38], which looks nothing like the old format and version, is the problem, but no one wants to admit it doesn't work. Could we therefore revert to the previous, working version? Softlavender (talk) 03:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      Hmm the last change to Top Edits was on May 29, and that was supposed to make it go faster, not slower. I just replied to you above; it seems there's something especially slow about your account + AN/I, and it's not unique to XTools. Use Sigma's tool for now since it doesn't have a time limit. I've changed MediaWiki:Histlegend to link to this tool, too (it was changed to XTools because at the time Sigma's tools were down). — MusikAnimal talk 04:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      Whatever the case, Top Edits is clearly not working, so it needs to either be fixed or reverted to a version that worked, or it needs to be replaced with Sigma's tool on all WP:PAGEHISTORY pages. Softlavender (talk) 04:52, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      I don't think there were any code changes that caused this. Database queries can be very complex with many factors that could cause them to be slow. It may have been not-slow before, but AN/I has since grown, or perhaps the problem is that a lot of people are using the database servers right now. It's not easy to debug, but queries timing out for a pages like AN/I is really of no surprise. Sigma's tool is struggling too in this case, but as I stated above, MediaWiki:Histlegend has been updated to link to it. — MusikAnimal talk 05:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    French editor asking why Dendera zodiac isn't supported by the machine translation software

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    See [39] and Talk:Dendera zodiac#no traduction possible !? (sorry for my english). --Doug Weller talk 12:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    See [39] and Talk:Dendera zodiac#no traduction possible !? (sorry for my english). --Doug Weller talk 12:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Gender questions

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    OK, what's with the 'Gender' questionaire, popping up? GoodDay (talk) 18:18, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    OK, what's with the 'Gender' questionaire, popping up? GoodDay (talk) 18:18, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 62#Notification of upcoming editor survey has some info. Eman235/talk 18:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 62#Notification of upcoming editor survey has some info. Eman235/talk 18:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Add option to allow messagebox of full width

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    currently it is set to 80%(?) of the page width, though it could be helpful in many cases if it were allowed to be set to be 100% the page width.viz ✦ 05:48, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    currently it is set to 80%(?) of the page width, though it could be helpful in many cases if it were allowed to be set to be 100% the page width.viz ✦ 05:48, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Which message box? The parameter |style = width:100%; margin:0; should do it when the base templates are called directly. Other templates may not pass on style. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:09, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The responsive content gadget does this for all amboxes when the page is narrower than 800px. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Which message box? The parameter |style = width:100%; margin:0; should do it when the base templates are called directly. Other templates may not pass on style. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:09, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The responsive content gadget does this for all amboxes when the page is narrower than 800px. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Bots Newsletter, August 2019

    @@ -2163,7 +2163,7 @@ BAG members are expected to be active on Wikipedia to have their finger on the p
  • Wikipedia talk:Bot policy#Bots triggered by multiple users
  • Wikipedia talk:Bots#How to use Special:ApiFeatureUsage

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    Thank you! edited by: Headbomb 17:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Thank you! edited by: Headbomb 17:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    (You can subscribe or unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding or removing your name from this list.) @@ -2172,9 +2172,9 @@ BAG members are expected to be active on Wikipedia to have their finger on the p

    Searching for deleted edits

    Hi,

    I'm looking for the external tool which allows (even to non-admins) to display the list of a user's "deleted edits" (actually, I think it was the list of deleted pages they created or edited). IIRC it looked like [40] (which provides a "deleted edit" links that redirects to Special:DeletedContributions, which can be used only by admins). -

    Thanks. Apokrif (talk) 00:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Thanks. Apokrif (talk) 00:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Apokrif: Perhaps you're referring to the Pages Created tool? E.g. see your deleted mainspace pages — MusikAnimal talk 02:12, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Apokrif: Perhaps you're referring to the Pages Created tool? E.g. see your deleted mainspace pages — MusikAnimal talk 02:12, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    “Wikidata item” link to be moved in the menu column

    Hello all,

    Currently and since Wikipedia articles and Wikidata items have been connected, the link “Wikidata item” appears on the menu column, in the section “Tools”. @@ -2182,125 +2182,125 @@ BAG members are expected to be active on Wikipedia to have their finger on the p

    This is why we are going to change the position of the link, on August 22nd for all Wikipedias and August 21st for all the other projects. After this date, you will find the “Wikidata item” link in the “In other projects” section.

    In some cases, for example on help and meta pages, the section may contain two links to Wikidata, for example on Help:Contents where there will be the “Wikidata” link (linking to d:Help:Contents) and the “Wikidata item” link (linking to d:Q914807).

    If you want to know more about the previous discussions or mention a bug or an issue, please add a comment to the related Phabricator task. If you want to reply to me onwiki, please ping me so I don’t miss your message. -

    Thanks for your understanding, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 09:48, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Thanks for your understanding, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 09:48, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    What happened to stub search?

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    In an archived Teahouse question, this was asked. I didn't tell the person to come here because of problematic editing. But it might be useful to answer the question if someone is wondering.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    In an archived Teahouse question, this was asked. I didn't tell the person to come here because of problematic editing. But it might be useful to answer the question if someone is wondering.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    It is probably User:Danski454/stubsearch.--Snaevar (talk) 17:09, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    It is probably User:Danski454/stubsearch.--Snaevar (talk) 17:09, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Dark mode feature

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    Hello everyone, I'm from ckbwiki. Why Wikipedia (the mostest vistors and editors site) hasn't Dark mode feature yet?! Please try to add that feature. Some of editors edit Wikipedia at night. Our eyes are tired from white screen at night and changed to red soon. Please try to add it! Thanks! ⇒ AramTalk 18:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hello everyone, I'm from ckbwiki. Why Wikipedia (the mostest vistors and editors site) hasn't Dark mode feature yet?! Please try to add that feature. Some of editors edit Wikipedia at night. Our eyes are tired from white screen at night and changed to red soon. Please try to add it! Thanks! ⇒ AramTalk 18:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    There's ongoing work on that: phab:project/profile/4006. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    BrandonXLF's Inverter script is a useful tool in the interim. Yunshui 雲水 19:18, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Ammarpad, That is good news! I'm waiting... and Yunshui, thank you for putting that tool! ⇒ AramTalk 21:07, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    There's ongoing work on that: phab:project/profile/4006. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    BrandonXLF's Inverter script is a useful tool in the interim. Yunshui 雲水 19:18, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Ammarpad, That is good news! I'm waiting... and Yunshui, thank you for putting that tool! ⇒ AramTalk 21:07, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Tool to rollback an edit that sinebot signed?

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    Basically the header. Very very often I revert vandalism or otherwise unconstructive edits to talk pages, but I can't use the rollback or undo buttons because sinebot already signed it, so now I have to revert two edits by two different users. Is there any tool or javascript or something that would let me revert such a pair of edits as easily as using rollback? Someguy1221 (talk) 07:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Basically the header. Very very often I revert vandalism or otherwise unconstructive edits to talk pages, but I can't use the rollback or undo buttons because sinebot already signed it, so now I have to revert two edits by two different users. Is there any tool or javascript or something that would let me revert such a pair of edits as easily as using rollback? Someguy1221 (talk) 07:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Someguy1221: Twinkle's rollback knows about sinebot. If you ask it to rollback the sinebot edit, it will ask you whether you want to rollback the previous edit as well. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:57, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Someguy1221: Twinkle's rollback knows about sinebot. If you ask it to rollback the sinebot edit, it will ask you whether you want to rollback the previous edit as well. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:57, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Add printworthy {{R slang}} rcat template

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    {{R slang}} will tag redirects from slangs. Monniasza talk 09:00, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    {{R slang}} will tag redirects from slangs. Monniasza talk 09:00, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    We have {{R from alternative name}}. I'm not sure slang is well-defined enough when there are many varieties of English. Anyway, this is not a technical issue. It could be suggested at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/Redirect pages or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Monniasza: I redirected it to {{r from synonym}}. You can start tagging pages with it, and if we ever want to distinguish slang from other kinds of synonyms, the pages won't have to be resorted. Wug·a·po·des​ 08:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    We have {{R from alternative name}}. I'm not sure slang is well-defined enough when there are many varieties of English. Anyway, this is not a technical issue. It could be suggested at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/Redirect pages or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Monniasza: I redirected it to {{r from synonym}}. You can start tagging pages with it, and if we ever want to distinguish slang from other kinds of synonyms, the pages won't have to be resorted. Wug·a·po·des​ 08:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    User talk:GregU/dashes.js

    I just noticed that User:GregU/dashes.js (User talk:GregU/dashes.js) is changing the blue linked time zone UTC−08:00 (see Lumby, British Columbia) to the red linked UTC– 08:00 (see here). It seems that Template:U:GregU hasen't edited since 2012. It needs to get fixed. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 11:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC) -Oh, GregU CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 11:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +Oh, GregU CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 11:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Someone should fork that or convert it to a gadget, relying on other people's personal scripts leads to exactly this situation when they stop being maintained. That being said, if someone has a very minor fix to suggest, drop an edit request at User talk:GregU/dashes.js and an interface admin will consider it. — xaosflux Talk 11:40, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I noticed some problematical edits (or, rather, inaccurate edit summaries) by this script earlier, but the Lumby, British Columbia edit is equivalent to vandalism. If the diff was not forged, then the script should to be disabled as soon as possible. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    It's been doing it for a while. I am tempted to just delete it. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 12:08, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @CambridgeBayWeather: yes, castrate this being, please. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:14, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Or wait, was it really User:GregU/dashes.js at fault? The edit summary has two script links, the second is one WP:MOSNUMscript. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:08, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The second of my links to the 2015 edit only has the one script. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 12:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Someone should fork that or convert it to a gadget, relying on other people's personal scripts leads to exactly this situation when they stop being maintained. That being said, if someone has a very minor fix to suggest, drop an edit request at User talk:GregU/dashes.js and an interface admin will consider it. — xaosflux Talk 11:40, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I noticed some problematical edits (or, rather, inaccurate edit summaries) by this script earlier, but the Lumby, British Columbia edit is equivalent to vandalism. If the diff was not forged, then the script should to be disabled as soon as possible. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    It's been doing it for a while. I am tempted to just delete it. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 12:08, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @CambridgeBayWeather: yes, castrate this being, please. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:14, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Or wait, was it really User:GregU/dashes.js at fault? The edit summary has two script links, the second is one WP:MOSNUMscript. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 12:08, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The second of my links to the 2015 edit only has the one script. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 12:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Every rcat template should add Category:Redirects with target different from correct name

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    Hi, rcats don't provide afromentioned maitenance category. Please make rcats use category if target is different than correct form. Monniasza talk 07:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi, rcats don't provide afromentioned maitenance category. Please make rcats use category if target is different than correct form. Monniasza talk 07:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    That category doesn't exist. Nor does the name actually match the use you propose for it (not all redirects are "target different from correct name"). Also, what use would there be to a category containing every redirect? You could as well use Special:ListRedirects. Anomie⚔ 14:25, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    That category doesn't exist. Nor does the name actually match the use you propose for it (not all redirects are "target different from correct name"). Also, what use would there be to a category containing every redirect? You could as well use Special:ListRedirects. Anomie⚔ 14:25, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    interwiki links

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    Hi, can somene link https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_penguara and A Girl in Exile, I think there's a page in German also... Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 23:04, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi, can somene link https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_penguara and A Girl in Exile, I think there's a page in German also... Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 23:04, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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     Done – Thjarkur (talk) 23:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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     Done – Thjarkur (talk) 23:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks, also https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lulet_e_ftohta_t%C3%AB_marsit needs linking to Spring Flowers, Spring Frost and Swedish article, Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 04:59, 9 August 2019 (UTC) -above now done, but https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosja_H needs linking to The File on H. Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 00:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +above now done, but https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosja_H needs linking to The File on H. Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 00:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @GrahamHardy: you can do these yourself, on the left side panel there is a section called "languages", click the little pencil icon in there and you can add interwiki links. — xaosflux Talk 00:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @GrahamHardy: you can do these yourself, on the left side panel there is a section called "languages", click the little pencil icon in there and you can add interwiki links. — xaosflux Talk 00:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Glitch on Lorrie Morgan

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    For some reason, the picture of Keith Whitley is not displaying under the "personal life"section of Lorrie Morgan. Purging the cache hasn't helped. Any idea what's causing this? All other pictures are showing up, just not that one. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:45, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    For some reason, the picture of Keith Whitley is not displaying under the "personal life"section of Lorrie Morgan. Purging the cache hasn't helped. Any idea what's causing this? All other pictures are showing up, just not that one. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:45, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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     Works for me @TenPoundHammer: are you still having this issue? — xaosflux Talk 00:37, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Xaosflux: Yes, and a purge isn't doing anything. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:44, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @TenPoundHammer: how about now? — xaosflux Talk 01:29, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    And if not, can you try looking with a different browser - in case you somehow are applying something like an ad-block to it? — xaosflux Talk 01:30, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    It seems to be working now. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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     Works for me @TenPoundHammer: are you still having this issue? — xaosflux Talk 00:37, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Xaosflux: Yes, and a purge isn't doing anything. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:44, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @TenPoundHammer: how about now? — xaosflux Talk 01:29, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    And if not, can you try looking with a different browser - in case you somehow are applying something like an ad-block to it? — xaosflux Talk 01:30, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    It seems to be working now. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Unified Login broken (at least for Commons)?

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    Quick check: Is unified login broken - at least for Commons - for anyone else? I'm logged in here but not logged into Commons; I didn't even know that this was possible anymore. ElKevbo (talk) 02:46, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Quick check: Is unified login broken - at least for Commons - for anyone else? I'm logged in here but not logged into Commons; I didn't even know that this was possible anymore. ElKevbo (talk) 02:46, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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     Works for me @ElKevbo: try logging out, deleting all your wmf cookies, and logging in again. — xaosflux Talk 04:49, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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     Works for me @ElKevbo: try logging out, deleting all your wmf cookies, and logging in again. — xaosflux Talk 04:49, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    request assistance

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    I'm trying to upload image to WikiCommons and getting message that I am not a confirmed user. I never got this message before. How can I get confirmed? Adienes (talk) 15:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I'm trying to upload image to WikiCommons and getting message that I am not a confirmed user. I never got this message before. How can I get confirmed? Adienes (talk) 15:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Adienes: try to follow this link directly: commons:Special:UploadWizard. — xaosflux Talk 17:41, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    You will get confirmed automatically when 4 days have passed (according to an config file). Just wait.--Snaevar (talk) 19:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Snaevar: commons doesn't require autoconfirmation to upload files, and here on enwiki its 4 days and 10 edits. — xaosflux Talk 19:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Adienes: try to follow this link directly: commons:Special:UploadWizard. — xaosflux Talk 17:41, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    You will get confirmed automatically when 4 days have passed (according to an config file). Just wait.--Snaevar (talk) 19:01, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Snaevar: commons doesn't require autoconfirmation to upload files, and here on enwiki its 4 days and 10 edits. — xaosflux Talk 19:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    User:Xaosflux: For enwiki, yes, there is an 10 edit limit. For commons, see line 5233 in InitialiseSettings.php, which says no.
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    As for upload rights, I am not really here to argue. The user which started this discussion will find the correct answer anyway.--Snaevar (talk) 20:23, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    As for upload rights, I am not really here to argue. The user which started this discussion will find the correct answer anyway.--Snaevar (talk) 20:23, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    You can check that at commons:Special:ListGroupRights, look for (upload). — xaosflux Talk 04:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    You can check that at commons:Special:ListGroupRights, look for (upload). — xaosflux Talk 04:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Watchlist no longer highlighted to show possible vandalism

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    What's changed?Doug Weller talk 12:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    What's changed?Doug Weller talk 12:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Working normally for me? Roxy, the dog. wooF 16:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The "refresh changes" indicator used with advanced watchlist is not displaying for me. I suspect WP:THURSDAY happened and now Javascript is not loading on the page, or something. --Izno (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    That said, colors are still loading for me, as with Roxy. --Izno (talk) 17:21, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Oh, I see what happened. The refresh changes indicator got wrapped up into the Active Filters 'show/hide' box. I might have to request that one be reverted (did so--see phab:T230220)... So, it looks like I'm all good. --Izno (talk) 17:22, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Izno: Thanks. I had to go to mediawiki to figure it all out but it's fixed now. Doug Weller talk 09:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Working normally for me? Roxy, the dog. wooF 16:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The "refresh changes" indicator used with advanced watchlist is not displaying for me. I suspect WP:THURSDAY happened and now Javascript is not loading on the page, or something. --Izno (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    That said, colors are still loading for me, as with Roxy. --Izno (talk) 17:21, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Oh, I see what happened. The refresh changes indicator got wrapped up into the Active Filters 'show/hide' box. I might have to request that one be reverted (did so--see phab:T230220)... So, it looks like I'm all good. --Izno (talk) 17:22, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Izno: Thanks. I had to go to mediawiki to figure it all out but it's fixed now. Doug Weller talk 09:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Page jump in edit box

    EN page jump 1
    EN page jump 2

    Hi, Every time I paste an image in between walls of text the page jumps down or if I paste text and press enter the page will then jump down,

    So for instance If I want to paste an image > the page will jump down > I have to scroll back up to the image > and then add thumb+left etc -

    It's been happening for the past month or 2 but it never used to, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 12:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    It's been happening for the past month or 2 but it never used to, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 12:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    What skin/browser/operating system do you use? I have seen a similar problem on mobile Firefox for Android, but not on desktop Firefox or Chrome. --Izno (talk) 14:20, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Hi Izno, I'm on Windows 7 and am using Vector, Ah okay, I've used Mobile to edit but never pasted with it, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 16:44, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    What skin/browser/operating system do you use? I have seen a similar problem on mobile Firefox for Android, but not on desktop Firefox or Chrome. --Izno (talk) 14:20, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Hi Izno, I'm on Windows 7 and am using Vector, Ah okay, I've used Mobile to edit but never pasted with it, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 16:44, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Possible STATS problem?

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    Seems that {{NUMBEROF|ARTICLES|total|N}} gives different results for the "Total Number of Articles" in different, but related, Wikipedias? - Example is the "Total Number of Articles" [at 14:04, August 10, 2019 (UTC)] is "50,810,571" (in the English Wikipedia => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Drbogdan/STATS) and "48,645,009" (in the Simple English Wikipedia => https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Drbogdan/STATS) - seems the two should match up, but don't for some reason? - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:28, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Seems that {{NUMBEROF|ARTICLES|total|N}} gives different results for the "Total Number of Articles" in different, but related, Wikipedias? - Example is the "Total Number of Articles" [at 14:04, August 10, 2019 (UTC)] is "50,810,571" (in the English Wikipedia => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Drbogdan/STATS) and "48,645,009" (in the Simple English Wikipedia => https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Drbogdan/STATS) - seems the two should match up, but don't for some reason? - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:28, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Drbogdan: the "English Wikipedia" is just as different from the "Simple English Wikipedia" as it is from the "French Wikipedia" - their statistics are project-specific. — xaosflux Talk 14:34, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The parameter |total is supposed to give the sum for all languages but the number is not updated automatically. {{NUMBEROF}} is not a magic word but a template and the count is taken from a template subpage which must be updated at the local wiki. Our Template:NUMBEROF/data is updated frequently by a bot. simple:Template:NUMBEROF/data has not been updated since it was manually copied from us in September 2018. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Ah ha, well that's a messy to maintain template, fine for one project but would never scale to full-mesh - perhaps pulling something from wikidata would be better. — xaosflux Talk 15:25, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    User:Acebot is updating our data and some of the other languages but not all, and less frequently. I don't know whether it's supposed to update simple or can be requested. Pinging the operator Ace111. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I was never asked before to update the NUMBEROF template in simple Wikipedia. Now I ran the bot once to update it, and can run it regularly, e.g. daily, in the future. Are there any objections? — Ace111 (talk) 17:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks. I don't work at simple but simple:Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:NUMBEROF/data shows mainspace uses so I assume they will appreciate it. Template:NUMBEROF/data (Q10452819) shows a version at many wikis but I don't know where the bot is wanted (apart from Estonian). Some are already updated by the bot, some have no mainspace uses, and some may have hard bot policies. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:21, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Ace111: and others - FWIW - Thank you *very much* for your comments - and efforts/updates and all - they're all *greatly* appreciated - I have no objection whatsoever re regular daily updates of the Simple English Wikipedia (or related) in the future - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:27, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    @Drbogdan: the "English Wikipedia" is just as different from the "Simple English Wikipedia" as it is from the "French Wikipedia" - their statistics are project-specific. — xaosflux Talk 14:34, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The parameter |total is supposed to give the sum for all languages but the number is not updated automatically. {{NUMBEROF}} is not a magic word but a template and the count is taken from a template subpage which must be updated at the local wiki. Our Template:NUMBEROF/data is updated frequently by a bot. simple:Template:NUMBEROF/data has not been updated since it was manually copied from us in September 2018. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Ah ha, well that's a messy to maintain template, fine for one project but would never scale to full-mesh - perhaps pulling something from wikidata would be better. — xaosflux Talk 15:25, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    User:Acebot is updating our data and some of the other languages but not all, and less frequently. I don't know whether it's supposed to update simple or can be requested. Pinging the operator Ace111. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I was never asked before to update the NUMBEROF template in simple Wikipedia. Now I ran the bot once to update it, and can run it regularly, e.g. daily, in the future. Are there any objections? — Ace111 (talk) 17:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks. I don't work at simple but simple:Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:NUMBEROF/data shows mainspace uses so I assume they will appreciate it. Template:NUMBEROF/data (Q10452819) shows a version at many wikis but I don't know where the bot is wanted (apart from Estonian). Some are already updated by the bot, some have no mainspace uses, and some may have hard bot policies. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:21, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Ace111: and others - FWIW - Thank you *very much* for your comments - and efforts/updates and all - they're all *greatly* appreciated - I have no objection whatsoever re regular daily updates of the Simple English Wikipedia (or related) in the future - Thanks again - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:27, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    SVG preview rendering Greek letter incorrectly

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    I was about to remove the ε in parentheses in the caption of the axial tilt illustration at Arctic Circle (direct MediaViewer link) before I opened the full SVG image directly. It appears that "ε" in text on the illustration is lost completely and "90 - ε" renders as "90?". Is this happening for anyone else? Daß Wölf 07:11, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I was about to remove the ε in parentheses in the caption of the axial tilt illustration at Arctic Circle (direct MediaViewer link) before I opened the full SVG image directly. It appears that "ε" in text on the illustration is lost completely and "90 - ε" renders as "90?". Is this happening for anyone else? Daß Wölf 07:11, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Daß Wölf: all ways of accessing the image show the ε correctly for me. The difference is likely to be caused by how the glyph is specified in the SVG; if it's by giving font details, you may not have the font on your system (I'm using MacOS). Depending on how the SVG file is created, there are different ways of specifying how characters should be saved. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Oddly enough, I just rechecked the picture and it renders fine for me too now. I wish I had screenshotted the error. I suppose this was a temporary bug. Daß Wölf 07:48, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Daß Wölf: is the problem gone after commons:File:Axial_tilt_vs_tropical_and_polar_circles.svg #filehistory? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Yes, it seems so, but it was actually gone before that revision. I refreshed the page when I got Peter coxhead's ping at ~7:45 and it rendered correctly all on its own. Daß Wölf 00:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Daß Wölf: all ways of accessing the image show the ε correctly for me. The difference is likely to be caused by how the glyph is specified in the SVG; if it's by giving font details, you may not have the font on your system (I'm using MacOS). Depending on how the SVG file is created, there are different ways of specifying how characters should be saved. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Oddly enough, I just rechecked the picture and it renders fine for me too now. I wish I had screenshotted the error. I suppose this was a temporary bug. Daß Wölf 07:48, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Daß Wölf: is the problem gone after commons:File:Axial_tilt_vs_tropical_and_polar_circles.svg #filehistory? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Yes, it seems so, but it was actually gone before that revision. I refreshed the page when I got Peter coxhead's ping at ~7:45 and it rendered correctly all on its own. Daß Wölf 00:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Live updates button and active filters navigation

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    I used to be able to hide the active filters navigation since I have no need for it. The problem now is that it's also hiding the live updates button when I click "hide." Amaury • 14:25, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I used to be able to hide the active filters navigation since I have no need for it. The problem now is that it's also hiding the live updates button when I click "hide." Amaury • 14:25, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    I've been experiencing the same problem in my watchlist since roughly 8 August. I'm using the Vector skin in Firefox 68.0.1 on a Windows 10 (1903) desktop. I've tried running the watchlist in safemode, but it makes no difference. —Bruce1eetalk 15:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I mentioned this in the thread just above since I wasn't sure if the problem above and mine were related. Go subscribe to the task on Phabricator if desired. --Izno (talk) 16:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Yes, that's it. Thanks. Sorry, I should have seen that the above discussion was about the same problem. —Bruce1eetalk 17:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I've been experiencing the same problem in my watchlist since roughly 8 August. I'm using the Vector skin in Firefox 68.0.1 on a Windows 10 (1903) desktop. I've tried running the watchlist in safemode, but it makes no difference. —Bruce1eetalk 15:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I mentioned this in the thread just above since I wasn't sure if the problem above and mine were related. Go subscribe to the task on Phabricator if desired. --Izno (talk) 16:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Yes, that's it. Thanks. Sorry, I should have seen that the above discussion was about the same problem. —Bruce1eetalk 17:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Need advice on removing interlanguage link from userpage

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    My userpage is currently linked to Wikipédia:Userbox/Reunificação da Irlandas on the Portuguese Wikipedia although that is not a userpage and I did not link it myself. I cannot find the link to edit interlanguage links on my userpage so I was wondering if anyone here knows how to remove the link or if they could direct me to the right process? I have not created a userpage in any other language as I do not have the expertise to do so without a professional translator. My only other userpages across Wikimedia are on Commons and Wiktionary and they are both in English. I have tried asking User:Cuchullain, who is an admin, but they cannot work it out and they advised me to try leaving a note here. Tk420 (talk) 19:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    My userpage is currently linked to Wikipédia:Userbox/Reunificação da Irlandas on the Portuguese Wikipedia although that is not a userpage and I did not link it myself. I cannot find the link to edit interlanguage links on my userpage so I was wondering if anyone here knows how to remove the link or if they could direct me to the right process? I have not created a userpage in any other language as I do not have the expertise to do so without a professional translator. My only other userpages across Wikimedia are on Commons and Wiktionary and they are both in English. I have tried asking User:Cuchullain, who is an admin, but they cannot work it out and they advised me to try leaving a note here. Tk420 (talk) 19:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Fixed, was outside of the <noinclude> in {{User Northern Ireland (self determination)}} – Thjarkur (talk) 19:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Fixed, was outside of the <noinclude> in {{User Northern Ireland (self determination)}} – Thjarkur (talk) 19:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Why do my searches come up empty?



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    If I search for say 'Airport' in the above, I'm taking to an empty result page. I'd expect it to find Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/Article alerts, giving it's in Category:All Wikipedia article alert reports. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    If I search for say 'Airport' in the above, I'm taking to an empty result page. I'd expect it to find Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/Article alerts, giving it's in Category:All Wikipedia article alert reports. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    For category search to work correctly, the category has to actually be in the source text. Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/Article alerts is only in Category:All Wikipedia article alert reports via a template transclusion. So for the search extension, the page does not have that category since it's not in its wikitext. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:00, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    That is... rather silly. I'll find another way then. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Actually now it shows up. Probably a caching issue then. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:37, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    True. I see that. I believe it must have been enhanced at sometime, it previously didn't work with transclusion. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    For category search to work correctly, the category has to actually be in the source text. Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/Article alerts is only in Category:All Wikipedia article alert reports via a template transclusion. So for the search extension, the page does not have that category since it's not in its wikitext. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:00, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    That is... rather silly. I'll find another way then. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Actually now it shows up. Probably a caching issue then. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:37, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    True. I see that. I believe it must have been enhanced at sometime, it previously didn't work with transclusion. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Tech News: 2019-33

    Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. @@ -2321,96 +2321,96 @@ above now done, but Adjusting edit window size -

    When editing in wikitext mode, is there a way to set the height of the edit window? Default seems to be 26 lines, and I almost always want about double that, especially when editing long articles or tables. I suppose there is a JS or CSS variable that can be adjusted somewhere? Also, this setting should be added to Special:Preferences, under the Editing tab, Editor section, to help non-technical users. — JFG talk 07:57, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    When editing in wikitext mode, is there a way to set the height of the edit window? Default seems to be 26 lines, and I almost always want about double that, especially when editing long articles or tables. I suppose there is a JS or CSS variable that can be adjusted somewhere? Also, this setting should be added to Special:Preferences, under the Editing tab, Editor section, to help non-technical users. — JFG talk 07:57, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    This will double the viewport:
    .mw-editform #wpTextbox1 { max-height: none; }
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    #wpTextbox1 { height: 200em; } – Ammarpad (talk) 08:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    More like quadrupled it… Thanks for the tip! Any idea where to suggest an easy setting for non-techies? — JFG talk 09:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    AFAIR, a little while back you could change this in your Preferences. I don't know why it was removed. —Bruce1eetalk 10:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @JFG:, that's true, I forgot that the size I doubled was for the default 'maximum height' of the viewport. Also note that the text area is already resizable on the fly by clicking and dragging the two diagonal lines at the bottom right corner. Actually that way is more flexible than using fixed size from your personal CSS. On your second question, that'd be making a gadget to allow one-click from Preferences page, but this is not something a lot of people are looking for, so it's not good candidate for that. Also as Bruce1ee said, it used to be somewhere on that page but I believe it must have been removed during the effort to get rid of seldom-used preferences. – Ammarpad (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    See phab:T26430 and phab:T155153 for the removal. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Right: I was always losing time to drag that edit window bigger before I could work. Thanks for the pointers to relevant phab tickets. — JFG talk 12:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    This has been covered several times here at VPT, see for example Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 153#Edit box size, Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 169#Hard to scroll down in lower right corner of edit window, and it's also buried in Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 171#Separate buttons for single and double bracket links in the editing toolbar (my reply of 23:48, 15 November 2018). There are other related threads in the archives. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Mmmhh… If that's a perennial question here at VPT, perhaps the idea of re-instating a visible user setting might be answering some latent demand. First phab ticket was about columns, and that's probably not necessary given adaptive width, but in the second ticket the setting for rows was apparently discarded in one lump with the columns. Shall ww re-instate the rows setting? — JFG talk 21:30, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    #wpTextbox1 { height: 200em; } – Ammarpad (talk) 08:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    More like quadrupled it… Thanks for the tip! Any idea where to suggest an easy setting for non-techies? — JFG talk 09:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    AFAIR, a little while back you could change this in your Preferences. I don't know why it was removed. —Bruce1eetalk 10:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @JFG:, that's true, I forgot that the size I doubled was for the default 'maximum height' of the viewport. Also note that the text area is already resizable on the fly by clicking and dragging the two diagonal lines at the bottom right corner. Actually that way is more flexible than using fixed size from your personal CSS. On your second question, that'd be making a gadget to allow one-click from Preferences page, but this is not something a lot of people are looking for, so it's not good candidate for that. Also as Bruce1ee said, it used to be somewhere on that page but I believe it must have been removed during the effort to get rid of seldom-used preferences. – Ammarpad (talk) 11:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    See phab:T26430 and phab:T155153 for the removal. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Right: I was always losing time to drag that edit window bigger before I could work. Thanks for the pointers to relevant phab tickets. — JFG talk 12:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    This has been covered several times here at VPT, see for example Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 153#Edit box size, Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 169#Hard to scroll down in lower right corner of edit window, and it's also buried in Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 171#Separate buttons for single and double bracket links in the editing toolbar (my reply of 23:48, 15 November 2018). There are other related threads in the archives. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Mmmhh… If that's a perennial question here at VPT, perhaps the idea of re-instating a visible user setting might be answering some latent demand. First phab ticket was about columns, and that's probably not necessary given adaptive width, but in the second ticket the setting for rows was apparently discarded in one lump with the columns. Shall ww re-instate the rows setting? — JFG talk 21:30, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Blocked spammer posts link

    Many or most of the blocks I perform are for spam-only accounts, especially those whose only edits are placing spam on their userpage. Just in case someone wants to apologise and become productive, I leave the talk page open when I do a {{uw-spamblock}}, unless the talk page itself has been used for spamming. On one hand, I don't want to shut down access without evidence of abuse, but on the other hand, it's possible that the talk page would be used abusively. My interest, therefore, is finding an automated way (i.e. without human edits or bot edits) to detect a post-block addition of an external link, the results of which could be evaluated as spam or not-spam by a human. I'm envisioning the following criteria:

    • User has been indefinitely blocked for spamming — detect because user is indefinitely blocked, and either rationale or talk page has {{uw-spamblock}} or some other "you have been blocked for spamming" template
    • After block is performed, user edits talk page and adds an external link
    • If user has added {{unblock}}, the external link is not inside the unblock template
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    Obviously this kind of thing happens sometimes, but I have no clue how often; in case it's a rare event, I don't want to request an edit filter and tie up system resources. Is there any other way to detect this (either conclusively or "this is likely"), perhaps a database report of users that are indefinitely blocked and that have external links on their talk pages? Nyttend (talk) 04:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Obviously this kind of thing happens sometimes, but I have no clue how often; in case it's a rare event, I don't want to request an edit filter and tie up system resources. Is there any other way to detect this (either conclusively or "this is likely"), perhaps a database report of users that are indefinitely blocked and that have external links on their talk pages? Nyttend (talk) 04:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Here's a Quarry query that might serve as a database report: quarry:query/38333. Anomie⚔ 12:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Hi, Anomie, and thank you. One question — can you embed links in the report, and if you can, would you link the talk pages in question? It would be a lot faster to look at these pages if I could just click a link. Nyttend (talk) 02:12, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    There does not appear to be a way to directly embed links in the quarry output. Anomie⚔ 11:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Here's a Quarry query that might serve as a database report: quarry:query/38333. Anomie⚔ 12:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Hi, Anomie, and thank you. One question — can you embed links in the report, and if you can, would you link the talk pages in question? It would be a lot faster to look at these pages if I could just click a link. Nyttend (talk) 02:12, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    There does not appear to be a way to directly embed links in the quarry output. Anomie⚔ 11:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Review of new articles and Google/Wiki search

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    Why new articles if not reviewed don't appear in Google search at all (as if non-indexed) and appear in Wiki search only when full name written? I guess there are some users who have reviewer user rights but it seems they miss to review some articles. I created several articles with my extended confirmed account and they stayed on Wikipedia but don't appear in searches for months. Do I need to request somewhere special for it* to be done or ask some user who already did it* once only for one of 'my' articles (*review for each article)? Thanks. --5.43.96.116 (talk) 05:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Why new articles if not reviewed don't appear in Google search at all (as if non-indexed) and appear in Wiki search only when full name written? I guess there are some users who have reviewer user rights but it seems they miss to review some articles. I created several articles with my extended confirmed account and they stayed on Wikipedia but don't appear in searches for months. Do I need to request somewhere special for it* to be done or ask some user who already did it* once only for one of 'my' articles (*review for each article)? Thanks. --5.43.96.116 (talk) 05:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    See Wikipedia:Controlling_search_engine_indexing#Indexing_of_articles_("mainspace"). — xaosflux Talk 11:08, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thank you. --5.43.96.116 (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    See Wikipedia:Controlling_search_engine_indexing#Indexing_of_articles_("mainspace"). — xaosflux Talk 11:08, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thank you. --5.43.96.116 (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Conflict between Template:Shortcut, lists and Microsoft

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    Please see Template talk:Shortcut#When in a list item, Edge and IE have a sad day. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:39, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

    Please see Template talk:Shortcut#When in a list item, Edge and IE have a sad day. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:39, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Thumbnail image doesn't show in List of tallest structures in Tokyo

    Tracked in Phabricator
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    The thumbnail of No. 28 (Shin-Marunouchi Building) in list 1 doesn't show up here. it has been like this for days. I tried to purge the page, didn't help. -

    Any clue? Thanks.--fireattack (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Any clue? Thanks.--fireattack (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    It works for me. Try to bypass your own cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    It works for me. Try to bypass your own cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the reason is that particular thumbnail returns the header says "content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded" instead of common "image/jpeg".
    Can you try to open http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Shin-marunouchi.Building-2007-01.jpg/100px-Shin-marunouchi.Building-2007-01.jpg directly and see what happens? Here, it will try to download itself instead of just display. I can see this weird behavior in both Firefox and Chrome and it doesn't happen to other images.
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    But in Firefox, it can still display the image this way in <img> tag (but not in Chrome). --fireattack (talk) 10:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Not just this list, some other thumbnail images don't load well at List of Cheers characters, List of Friends characters, and List of The Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon characters. Check other list pages. George Ho (talk) 00:13, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -

    Update: The root cause is Phab:T188831. And about why it starts to cause more apparent issue, see https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=990853 .--fireattack (talk) 20:42, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -

    Saw the issue at List of highest-grossing films as well with the first image. Hopefully it will be resolved before long. Master of Time (talk) 05:43, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    But in Firefox, it can still display the image this way in <img> tag (but not in Chrome). --fireattack (talk) 10:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Not just this list, some other thumbnail images don't load well at List of Cheers characters, List of Friends characters, and List of The Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon characters. Check other list pages. George Ho (talk) 00:13, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Update: The root cause is Phab:T188831. And about why it starts to cause more apparent issue, see https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=990853 .--fireattack (talk) 20:42, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Saw the issue at List of highest-grossing films as well with the first image. Hopefully it will be resolved before long. Master of Time (talk) 05:43, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    How to prevent VisualEditor from automatically loading when clicking red links?

    Tracked in Phabricator
    Task T211379
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    Task T226267
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    Title says it all. VE often loads automatically when I open a red link which is annoying because most of the time, I do so to see the deleted edits. I can't seem to find a preference for it though. Regards SoWhy 07:31, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Title says it all. VE often loads automatically when I open a red link which is annoying because most of the time, I do so to see the deleted edits. I can't seem to find a preference for it though. Regards SoWhy 07:31, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    This is the default behaviour for clicking all redlinks in both VE and Source editor (except Userpage redlink on mobile). There's a phab:T211379 asking to change this and there are comments that this is by design. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:21, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Ammarpad: Thanks for the phab-link! I dug up a snippet at T195914 that prevents it (thanks to Classicwiki). Regards SoWhy 09:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @SoWhy: have you tried setting "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing? I have that set and never get the visual editor unless I specifically switch to it. — xaosflux Talk 11:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    No, because I actually use it quite extensively and that setting disables the links to the VE and the visual edit tabs that I use. But with the user script Classicwiki provided at phab, the problem is solved. Regards SoWhy 11:58, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • I described a related problem here (and opened T226267 on it). -- RoySmith (talk) 16:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    This is the default behaviour for clicking all redlinks in both VE and Source editor (except Userpage redlink on mobile). There's a phab:T211379 asking to change this and there are comments that this is by design. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:21, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Ammarpad: Thanks for the phab-link! I dug up a snippet at T195914 that prevents it (thanks to Classicwiki). Regards SoWhy 09:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @SoWhy: have you tried setting "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing? I have that set and never get the visual editor unless I specifically switch to it. — xaosflux Talk 11:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    No, because I actually use it quite extensively and that setting disables the links to the VE and the visual edit tabs that I use. But with the user script Classicwiki provided at phab, the problem is solved. Regards SoWhy 11:58, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • I described a related problem here (and opened T226267 on it). -- RoySmith (talk) 16:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Tools for history

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    I didn't get a response here about why Help:Page history didn't have directions for entering a specific date such as November 8, 2019. I thought there was such a feature..— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 14:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Resolved

    — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I didn't get a response here about why Help:Page history didn't have directions for entering a specific date such as November 8, 2019. I thought there was such a feature..— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 14:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Once you click on the input field a placeholder text YYYY-MM-DD and calendar widget will appear (assuming Javascript is on). That's enough visual cue to tell you what you should do next. – Ammarpad (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Once you click on the input field a placeholder text YYYY-MM-DD and calendar widget will appear (assuming Javascript is on). That's enough visual cue to tell you what you should do next. – Ammarpad (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Converting from one citation template to another (visual editor)?

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    Is there an easy way to convert one citation template to the correct type, in VE? People commonly just use the default {{Cite}} instead of, for example, {{Cite news}}. I haven't found a good way to fix that up other than to create a whole new citation and delete the old one. Which is especially annoying when it's used more than once, as in this example. It seems like it would be straight-forward to have a tool which took the existing citation and did a first pass at converting it into a different subtype, copying over whatever fields exist in both. Does such a tool exist? -- RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Is there an easy way to convert one citation template to the correct type, in VE? People commonly just use the default {{Cite}} instead of, for example, {{Cite news}}. I haven't found a good way to fix that up other than to create a whole new citation and delete the old one. Which is especially annoying when it's used more than once, as in this example. It seems like it would be straight-forward to have a tool which took the existing citation and did a first pass at converting it into a different subtype, copying over whatever fields exist in both. Does such a tool exist? -- RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Pretty sure this is phab:T97936, and a harder problem over here phab:T87271. --Izno (talk) 03:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Yeah, T87271 is exactly what I'm talking about. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Pretty sure this is phab:T97936, and a harder problem over here phab:T87271. --Izno (talk) 03:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Yeah, T87271 is exactly what I'm talking about. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Account creations appear to be getting throttled to 2/day for editors

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    Hello all, if you are running in to this, it appears to be a temporary issue. Discussion and linked phab tickets are available at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#T230304_and_account_creation_being_blocked if you want to follow for more information as it becomes available. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 04:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hello all, if you are running in to this, it appears to be a temporary issue. Discussion and linked phab tickets are available at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_permissions#T230304_and_account_creation_being_blocked if you want to follow for more information as it becomes available. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 04:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    RefToolbar

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    Hi - I find the RefToolbar very useful, but I would like to request an additional feature. In the Web Citation popover, can we please have a checkbox (or a select menu) to specify deadurl=yes/no? I can fill in Archive URL and Archive Date in the form, but after I have inserted the reference into the article, I have to go in and type the "deadurl" bit manually, which is a bit fiddly. Does anyone know how to get someone to add this? Thanks. Cnbrb (talk) 10:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi - I find the RefToolbar very useful, but I would like to request an additional feature. In the Web Citation popover, can we please have a checkbox (or a select menu) to specify deadurl=yes/no? I can fill in Archive URL and Archive Date in the form, but after I have inserted the reference into the article, I have to go in and type the "deadurl" bit manually, which is a bit fiddly. Does anyone know how to get someone to add this? Thanks. Cnbrb (talk) 10:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Unexpectedly different behavior depending on location of userscript's source code

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    After extensive testing, I have documented a weird behavior that in rare circumstances will disable Template:Show button. There appears to be three conditions required for this to happen, and one of these conditions is just having the snippet of code in my common.cs file, as opposed to being in one of my subpages and imported to my common.js. Intuitively, I would expect identical behavior, but this is not the case. Details, and the discussion, can be found at the javascript project talk page in thread Importscript vs just putting code in common.js NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    After extensive testing, I have documented a weird behavior that in rare circumstances will disable Template:Show button. There appears to be three conditions required for this to happen, and one of these conditions is just having the snippet of code in my common.cs file, as opposed to being in one of my subpages and imported to my common.js. Intuitively, I would expect identical behavior, but this is not the case. Details, and the discussion, can be found at the javascript project talk page in thread Importscript vs just putting code in common.js NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Javascript is loaded and executed in different order in this two cases. What is imported with importScript is executed probably in the end. Ruslik_Zero 09:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    thanks for the debugging lead. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:42, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @NewsAndEventsGuy: This might not be the answer you were looking for but we had a thread a few months back where an editor was asking about how to make scripts load in order and the general sentiment was that you can't guarantee behaviour in that manner. So, the only way would be to add manual sleeps and hope (!) that did the trick. Don't know why it could exactly apply here but I just thought I'd mention. --qedk (t 桜 c) 07:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I like thinkers who cast wide nets when these mysteries pop up, thanks. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Javascript is loaded and executed in different order in this two cases. What is imported with importScript is executed probably in the end. Ruslik_Zero 09:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    thanks for the debugging lead. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:42, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @NewsAndEventsGuy: This might not be the answer you were looking for but we had a thread a few months back where an editor was asking about how to make scripts load in order and the general sentiment was that you can't guarantee behaviour in that manner. So, the only way would be to add manual sleeps and hope (!) that did the trick. Don't know why it could exactly apply here but I just thought I'd mention. --qedk (t 桜 c) 07:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I like thinkers who cast wide nets when these mysteries pop up, thanks. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Template:OS coord

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    As some of you may be aware, {{OS coord}} (and related templates) has been out to lunch since about April. It's maintained by RHaworth (talk · contribs), who has posted an appeal at Template talk:OS coord#Getting back up 2019. All suggestions welcome there. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    As some of you may be aware, {{OS coord}} (and related templates) has been out to lunch since about April. It's maintained by RHaworth (talk · contribs), who has posted an appeal at Template talk:OS coord#Getting back up 2019. All suggestions welcome there. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Flag of Greece

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    Have you noticed that Greece's flag is not appearing? See for example 2019–20 UEFA Champions League. Also see Template:Country data Greece. 213.133.84.227 (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Have you noticed that Greece's flag is not appearing? See for example 2019–20 UEFA Champions League. Also see Template:Country data Greece. 213.133.84.227 (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Only with Google chrome I have the problem. I have just checked it with Firefox and is ok. 213.133.84.227 (talk) 18:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

     Works for me is it only in a certain browser you see this problem? — xaosflux Talk 18:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Only with Google chrome I have the problem. I have just checked it with Firefox and is ok. 213.133.84.227 (talk) 18:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    If it's bad cache some on this page will work and others not. -- GreenC 19:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    My Chrome's fine; try clearing cache? --Golbez (talk) 18:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    If it's bad cache some on this page will work and others not. -- GreenC 19:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Enable chess PGN viewer for chess articles

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    Editors are generally in support of an interactive PGN viewer. Discussion on the specific implementation can be found at Wikipedia:Interface administrators' noticeboard#Chess viewer Wug·a·po·des​ 22:44, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Editors are generally in support of an interactive PGN viewer. Discussion on the specific implementation can be found at Wikipedia:Interface administrators' noticeboard#Chess viewer Wug·a·po·des​ 22:44, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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    (For more details and alternative implementation possibilities, see Kipod's description in #"on demand" loading of scripts and gadgets)

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    • Support as proposer. This has been around a while and seems stable enough for use on hewiki. Use on an additional Wikipedia will also help development, as previous proposals seem to have led to good feedback that קיפודנחש has taken into account to improve it on hewiki. Having a PGN viewer would greatly improve our chess coverage as readers can use the viewer to follow along with the game as the article describes it without having to know algebraic notation (chess) or have their own chess board or program. Some comments from around 2013 suggested it be turned into a gadget, but those efforts have been stalled since 2013. Plus, making it a gadget only allows logged in readers to use the PGN viewer despite it being broadly useful for reading rather than editing. Wug·a·po·des​ 05:28, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • This definitely should not be in common.js - rather the proposal should be for addition as a default gadget (for reasons as mentioned in the comment at the top of MediaWiki:Common.js), which can be used by any user whether logged-in or logged-out. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:00, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
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    So this is in use now in hewiki, ruwiki, and ukwiki (the latter has the script and template, but it's used only in few articles). All 3 are using "on demand" loading. The script itsslf weighs 27k (20 minimized), and loading it unconditionally is undesired, as only small fraction of sll articles are chess related. The mechanism on hewiki is to create a "hidden", non-default gadget, and have common.js look for a "marker" class in page, triggering loading the gadget. (i will try to add some information WRT "on-demand", or "template-controlled" loading of scripts on ruwiki and hewiki later). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 13:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -

    @Wugapodes: i read this thread on mobile, and missed an important detail: the script on hewiki _is not_ w:he:מדיה_ויקי:Common.js/pgn.js. this one is an outdated version that should not be used. the script is in he:Mediawiki:Gadget-pgnviewer.js and its CSS, he:Mediawiki:Gadget-pgnviewer.css. this is important: User:Krinkels made some instructive comments in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess/Interactive chess boards, and the correct version addresses many (most?) of the points he raised. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 14:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    • Support as proposer. This has been around a while and seems stable enough for use on hewiki. Use on an additional Wikipedia will also help development, as previous proposals seem to have led to good feedback that קיפודנחש has taken into account to improve it on hewiki. Having a PGN viewer would greatly improve our chess coverage as readers can use the viewer to follow along with the game as the article describes it without having to know algebraic notation (chess) or have their own chess board or program. Some comments from around 2013 suggested it be turned into a gadget, but those efforts have been stalled since 2013. Plus, making it a gadget only allows logged in readers to use the PGN viewer despite it being broadly useful for reading rather than editing. Wug·a·po·des​ 05:28, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    • This definitely should not be in common.js - rather the proposal should be for addition as a default gadget (for reasons as mentioned in the comment at the top of MediaWiki:Common.js), which can be used by any user whether logged-in or logged-out. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:00, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
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    So this is in use now in hewiki, ruwiki, and ukwiki (the latter has the script and template, but it's used only in few articles). All 3 are using "on demand" loading. The script itsslf weighs 27k (20 minimized), and loading it unconditionally is undesired, as only small fraction of sll articles are chess related. The mechanism on hewiki is to create a "hidden", non-default gadget, and have common.js look for a "marker" class in page, triggering loading the gadget. (i will try to add some information WRT "on-demand", or "template-controlled" loading of scripts on ruwiki and hewiki later). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 13:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    @Wugapodes: i read this thread on mobile, and missed an important detail: the script on hewiki _is not_ w:he:מדיה_ויקי:Common.js/pgn.js. this one is an outdated version that should not be used. the script is in he:Mediawiki:Gadget-pgnviewer.js and its CSS, he:Mediawiki:Gadget-pgnviewer.css. this is important: User:Krinkels made some instructive comments in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess/Interactive chess boards, and the correct version addresses many (most?) of the points he raised. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 14:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    • yes. Please implement it. I want to study it so that I can convert it into a shogi version (although i'll probably need help for getting the dropped pieces part). – ishwar  (speak) 17:33, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
      @Ish ishwar: you really don't need it "implemented" on enwiki in order to study it. the script is available in the link above - please read the "license" notice at the top: it is more permissive than cc-by-sa. basically, it says "you can do whatever you want with this". however, the main piece there is the "pgn analyzer". i am not aware of PGN standard for shogi. i saw "PSN" mentioned, but could not find good reference explaining it. if it's similar enough to PGN, it might not be that difficult. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 19:25, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
      • yes. Please implement it. I want to study it so that I can convert it into a shogi version (although i'll probably need help for getting the dropped pieces part). – ishwar  (speak) 17:33, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
        @Ish ishwar: you really don't need it "implemented" on enwiki in order to study it. the script is available in the link above - please read the "license" notice at the top: it is more permissive than cc-by-sa. basically, it says "you can do whatever you want with this". however, the main piece there is the "pgn analyzer". i am not aware of PGN standard for shogi. i saw "PSN" mentioned, but could not find good reference explaining it. if it's similar enough to PGN, it might not be that difficult. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 19:25, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        i see. Thank you. There is a PSN format. However, no one really uses it. (It was created by Europoean folks after all.) Probably the best is the CSA format. It looks like this:
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    "on demand" loading of scripts and gadgets

    I'd like to describe the "on demand loading" mechanism used on ruwiki, hewiki, and others (e.g., runews, ukwiki and more).

    So, most of our site-specific code has to do with utilities meant mainly for editors, but there are some scripts which affect the content, for reading. An example on enwiki is the part in mediawiki:common.js that deals with collapsing, and the part that executes special code when reading the main page. @@ -2505,51 +2505,51 @@ P- } } );

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    This will achieve the same objective: The script will load if and only if it should load, so if enwiki will have, say, 578 articles which want to show interactive chess game, the script will load for readers only when they view one of those pages, and the other 4M+ articles will not have to pay the bloat. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 23:41, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    This will achieve the same objective: The script will load if and only if it should load, so if enwiki will have, say, 578 articles which want to show interactive chess game, the script will load for readers only when they view one of those pages, and the other 4M+ articles will not have to pay the bloat. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 23:41, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    I've updated the implementation section with your one-off suggestion since it seems simplest. Wug·a·po·des​ 03:14, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    One-off alternative looks good, but on enwiki rather than having that sort of small snippet in common.js, it is done in the form of a default gadget (e.g MediaWiki:Gadget-geonotice.js) that loads that "core" hidden gadget (e.g. MediaWiki:Gadget-geonotice-core.js), which also allows people to disable the gadget if they don't like it. I would agree with Izno that it would be nice if things like these were implemented as an extension rather than as a gadget, but making something to an extension would certainly delay this considerably and possibly make it so no solution is ever implemented. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:43, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I've updated the implementation section with your one-off suggestion since it seems simplest. Wug·a·po·des​ 03:14, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    One-off alternative looks good, but on enwiki rather than having that sort of small snippet in common.js, it is done in the form of a default gadget (e.g MediaWiki:Gadget-geonotice.js) that loads that "core" hidden gadget (e.g. MediaWiki:Gadget-geonotice-core.js), which also allows people to disable the gadget if they don't like it. I would agree with Izno that it would be nice if things like these were implemented as an extension rather than as a gadget, but making something to an extension would certainly delay this considerably and possibly make it so no solution is ever implemented. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:43, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Wikipedia Beta 'Jump To' tool not functioning in Mobile View

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    So, I have Wikipedia Beta enabled in Mobile View on my iPad iPhone 5S, with a nice 'Tick' suggesting the 'Jump To Top' function is also enabled. But I'm not seeing any form of floating button to help me move back to the top. Nor can I easily find any url to this documented function to assist me in report the issue - hence my post here. By way of example, navigating through WP:ANI in mobile view is a real struggle, and would be helped by this tool, whereas I've already added to the {{skip to top and bottom}} template to The Teahouse which makes life so much easier when navigating up and down, whether in desktop or mobile view. I'd love to get that similar functionality working on all article pages when in Mobile View. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    So, I have Wikipedia Beta enabled in Mobile View on my iPad iPhone 5S, with a nice 'Tick' suggesting the 'Jump To Top' function is also enabled. But I'm not seeing any form of floating button to help me move back to the top. Nor can I easily find any url to this documented function to assist me in report the issue - hence my post here. By way of example, navigating through WP:ANI in mobile view is a real struggle, and would be helped by this tool, whereas I've already added to the {{skip to top and bottom}} template to The Teahouse which makes life so much easier when navigating up and down, whether in desktop or mobile view. I'd love to get that similar functionality working on all article pages when in Mobile View. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Nick Moyes: Weird. I am using the beta version and this floating jump to top button is fully working on my Chrome Dev 77. What browser you are using? Masum Reza📞 05:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Hi Masumrezarock100, I'm using the iPhone's default Safari browser. Nick Moyes (talk) 06:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Nick Moyes: Try changing your browser. It's most likely because of lack of browser support. Does this kind of thing happened to you before or is it new? You can report about this at mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Advanced_mobile_contributions. Though it's the talk page of AMC mode not Wikipedia beta. Masum Reza📞 07:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Masumrezarock100: I don't know when the jump-to-top button was implemented, but I've only just switched from working on my phone in desktop view to experimenting with it in mobile view (in order to try out the Advanced Contributions Mode). I'll check your helpful link and report the Safari browser issue. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Nick Moyes: Weird. I am using the beta version and this floating jump to top button is fully working on my Chrome Dev 77. What browser you are using? Masum Reza📞 05:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Hi Masumrezarock100, I'm using the iPhone's default Safari browser. Nick Moyes (talk) 06:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Nick Moyes: Try changing your browser. It's most likely because of lack of browser support. Does this kind of thing happened to you before or is it new? You can report about this at mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Advanced_mobile_contributions. Though it's the talk page of AMC mode not Wikipedia beta. Masum Reza📞 07:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Masumrezarock100: I don't know when the jump-to-top button was implemented, but I've only just switched from working on my phone in desktop view to experimenting with it in mobile view (in order to try out the Advanced Contributions Mode). I'll check your helpful link and report the Safari browser issue. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    VTE links not opening on mobile

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    Is it intended that VTE links for nav templatrs only activate tooltip with link name unlinked? I think they should normally lead to each link target (view for template page, talk for its talk page and edit for edit window for template in question). --5.43.96.116 (talk) 05:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Is it intended that VTE links for nav templatrs only activate tooltip with link name unlinked? I think they should normally lead to each link target (view for template page, talk for its talk page and edit for edit window for template in question). --5.43.96.116 (talk) 05:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Nav templates usually aren't displayed in mobile but when they are, like on the template page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Seasons, the links work for me. Please link an example and name your mobile device or browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Please identify a problem (and fix it if it's not hard for you) for sr:Румунски језик#Спољашње везе. Probably navbox template should be updated there or some MediaWiki. Those English in your example are working for me; I use latest Samsung Internet browser, and view the article in desktop view on a mobile device. --5.43.96.116 (talk) 13:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I don't have an Android device but can reproduce the issue on an iPad. sr:User:PrimeHunter/sandbox has the code [[X|<abbr title="tooltip">V</abbr>]]. On an iPad I see underlining with dots and see "tooltip" when I click it but don't go anywhere. The same code here: V. On an iPad I cannot see "tooltip" but I go to X when I click it. I don't know what makes the difference. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    You mean you don't know why one doesn't go anywhere but sees only tooltip? I think something is wrong with sr:Модул:Navbar or some .css/.js MediaWiki page is not updated on sr.wikipedia. Maybe p.addItem function in sr:Модул:Navbar is not working properly but after comparing Navbox and Navbar templates and modules to that on English Wikipedia I cannot notice content difference except translations. Maybe Cyrillic translation makes problem? I don't known why it works here in your example with Template:Seasons but not with sr.wikipedia navbox template links... If someone else can help, please help. --Obsuser (talk) 17:32, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I don't use a template, module or non-Latin characters at sr:User:PrimeHunter/sandbox. The page only contains the mentioned code: [[X|<abbr title="tooltip">V</abbr>]]. This simplified example gives a different result at srwiki and enwiki on an iPad. The navbox makes code of this form with abbr inside a wikilink. I simplified the navbox output as much as possible while still producing the issue. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Yes, but why it gives a different result at srwiki and enwiki? --Obsuser (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    That's the question. [[X|<abbr title="tooltip">V</abbr>]] produces a working link on iPad in three other tested languages zh, de, da. It works with https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PrimeHunter/sandbox?safemode=1. Without safemode it fails both logged in and out at srwiki. It also fails at wikt:sr: while it works at wikt:en:. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    It's caused by the default gadget sr:MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js. enwiki had the same issue at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js#Interference with links on touchscreen, fixed by [44]. The Serbian gadget can only be edited by a Serbian interface administrator. The latest edits were made by User:Ранко Николић. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @PrimeHunter: Thank you very much for that info. But if you check sr:Special:Diff/21299776/22084018 you will see that that update has already been done here (you can check diffs, only textual translations are made and code is same); however, the problem is still present as we see... Is it something else problem with this? [Please ping me...] ‡ --Obsuser (talk) 00:01, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Nav templates usually aren't displayed in mobile but when they are, like on the template page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Seasons, the links work for me. Please link an example and name your mobile device or browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Please identify a problem (and fix it if it's not hard for you) for sr:Румунски језик#Спољашње везе. Probably navbox template should be updated there or some MediaWiki. Those English in your example are working for me; I use latest Samsung Internet browser, and view the article in desktop view on a mobile device. --5.43.96.116 (talk) 13:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I don't have an Android device but can reproduce the issue on an iPad. sr:User:PrimeHunter/sandbox has the code [[X|<abbr title="tooltip">V</abbr>]]. On an iPad I see underlining with dots and see "tooltip" when I click it but don't go anywhere. The same code here: V. On an iPad I cannot see "tooltip" but I go to X when I click it. I don't know what makes the difference. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    You mean you don't know why one doesn't go anywhere but sees only tooltip? I think something is wrong with sr:Модул:Navbar or some .css/.js MediaWiki page is not updated on sr.wikipedia. Maybe p.addItem function in sr:Модул:Navbar is not working properly but after comparing Navbox and Navbar templates and modules to that on English Wikipedia I cannot notice content difference except translations. Maybe Cyrillic translation makes problem? I don't known why it works here in your example with Template:Seasons but not with sr.wikipedia navbox template links... If someone else can help, please help. --Obsuser (talk) 17:32, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I don't use a template, module or non-Latin characters at sr:User:PrimeHunter/sandbox. The page only contains the mentioned code: [[X|<abbr title="tooltip">V</abbr>]]. This simplified example gives a different result at srwiki and enwiki on an iPad. The navbox makes code of this form with abbr inside a wikilink. I simplified the navbox output as much as possible while still producing the issue. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Yes, but why it gives a different result at srwiki and enwiki? --Obsuser (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    That's the question. [[X|<abbr title="tooltip">V</abbr>]] produces a working link on iPad in three other tested languages zh, de, da. It works with https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PrimeHunter/sandbox?safemode=1. Without safemode it fails both logged in and out at srwiki. It also fails at wikt:sr: while it works at wikt:en:. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    It's caused by the default gadget sr:MediaWiki:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js. enwiki had the same issue at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js#Interference with links on touchscreen, fixed by [44]. The Serbian gadget can only be edited by a Serbian interface administrator. The latest edits were made by User:Ранко Николић. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @PrimeHunter: Thank you very much for that info. But if you check sr:Special:Diff/21299776/22084018 you will see that that update has already been done here (you can check diffs, only textual translations are made and code is same); however, the problem is still present as we see... Is it something else problem with this? [Please ping me...] ‡ --Obsuser (talk) 00:01, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    ┌──────────────────────┘ -@PrimeHunter: They are working actually now for me, same behaviour as English Wikipedia when logged out and on Samsung Internet latest. Only that on both sites tooltip is displayed first with "View this template" etc. messages, this could be probably prevented somehow because no use after one clicks it on mobile, because one goes to the link destination anyhow... Btw, Template:Outdent displays one level or so less on mobile (I used 9 right above and upper vertical part is significantly left of the last paragraph's bottom left). --5.43.96.116 (talk) 07:41, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -

    And I'm sorry for a such comment (the one prior to the previous one) because I didn't see/notice that the update on sr.wiki gadgets's page was done on 15 August, day or two before i.e. after this thread began (13 August morning/dawn). Ranko Nikolić probably got pinged after 08:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC) comment and then reacted to solve the problem. --5.43.96.116 (talk) 07:51, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +@PrimeHunter: They are working actually now for me, same behaviour as English Wikipedia when logged out and on Samsung Internet latest. Only that on both sites tooltip is displayed first with "View this template" etc. messages, this could be probably prevented somehow because no use after one clicks it on mobile, because one goes to the link destination anyhow... Btw, Template:Outdent displays one level or so less on mobile (I used 9 right above and upper vertical part is significantly left of the last paragraph's bottom left). --5.43.96.116 (talk) 07:41, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    And I'm sorry for a such comment (the one prior to the previous one) because I didn't see/notice that the update on sr.wiki gadgets's page was done on 15 August, day or two before i.e. after this thread began (13 August morning/dawn). Ranko Nikolić probably got pinged after 08:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC) comment and then reacted to solve the problem. --5.43.96.116 (talk) 07:51, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Yes, he implemented the fix 21 minutes after my ping. It works for me now on iPad. Are you Obsuser or is he a different user who may still see the problem? PrimeHunter (talk) 08:13, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Yes, he implemented the fix 21 minutes after my ping. It works for me now on iPad. Are you Obsuser or is he a different user who may still see the problem? PrimeHunter (talk) 08:13, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Place important links on top instead

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    Privacy policy and disclaimers are important and should be placed on top. Monniasza talk 14:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Privacy policy and disclaimers are important and should be placed on top. Monniasza talk 14:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    People do not come here to read policy and disclaimers. --Izno (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    People do not come here to read policy and disclaimers. --Izno (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Not running "Community tech bot" for Popular pages

    Bumping thread for 30 days. JoeHebda (talk) 02:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC) -Greetings, Community tech bot appears to be down (not running) since April, 2019. Instructions are To report bugs, please write on the Community tech bot talk page on Meta. I did report in June, and with no response. Wondering if an expert here could fix? For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints/Popular pages Updated: 6:32 pm, 26 April 2019, Friday (2 months, 13 days ago). Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +Greetings, Community tech bot appears to be down (not running) since April, 2019. Instructions are To report bugs, please write on the Community tech bot talk page on Meta. I did report in June, and with no response. Wondering if an expert here could fix? For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints/Popular pages Updated: 6:32 pm, 26 April 2019, Friday (2 months, 13 days ago). Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Any way to have Techbot update that Lists table?
  • Should Lists page be abandoned/redirected to config page? Pageviews on List page are about 25 per day.

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    These questions are beyond any decision that I can make on my own. Asking for more people to chime in with discussion. JoeHebda (talk) 20:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    These questions are beyond any decision that I can make on my own. Asking for more people to chime in with discussion. JoeHebda (talk) 20:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    I had no idea about WP:POPT. I don't think it worth the trouble to update that table. The list appears to be manually categorized. The only other information it has over User:Community Tech bot/Popular pages is the shortcuts, which aren't that important in my opinion. So yes, simply redirecting the list page seems sensible. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 20:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    •  Working - Update table? or Redirect page? JoeHebda (talk) 02:50, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I had no idea about WP:POPT. I don't think it worth the trouble to update that table. The list appears to be manually categorized. The only other information it has over User:Community Tech bot/Popular pages is the shortcuts, which aren't that important in my opinion. So yes, simply redirecting the list page seems sensible. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 20:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    •  Working - Update table? or Redirect page? JoeHebda (talk) 02:50, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Pageviews

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    Greetings User:MusikAnimal (WMF) - Wonder if adding Pageviews to Popular pages would better show each WPs "Popular pages" activity? As an example, I added at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Popular pages. Just spot-checking I've not found any WP with much activity. Maybe because of the bot not running since end of April? JoeHebda (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Greetings User:MusikAnimal (WMF) - Wonder if adding Pageviews to Popular pages would better show each WPs "Popular pages" activity? As an example, I added at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Popular pages. Just spot-checking I've not found any WP with much activity. Maybe because of the bot not running since end of April? JoeHebda (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    If you mean no one is checking these reports, you're mostly right. A few months ago I did some spring cleaning and removed a bunch of apparently inactive WikiProjects from the config. There are probably more that we could remove. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:56, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    •  Working - Add Pageviews to Bot-generated popular pages? Wait until July process is done. JoeHebda (talk) 02:53, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    If you mean no one is checking these reports, you're mostly right. A few months ago I did some spring cleaning and removed a bunch of apparently inactive WikiProjects from the config. There are probably more that we could remove. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:56, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    •  Working - Add Pageviews to Bot-generated popular pages? Wait until July process is done. JoeHebda (talk) 02:53, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Bot posting to WP talk pages

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    Hi User:MusikAnimal (WMF) - When the bot updates User:Community Tech bot/Popular pages, could it also post a notice at the WikiProject's talk page? This would increase awareness of Popular pages & perhaps encourage usage. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 03:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi User:MusikAnimal (WMF) - When the bot updates User:Community Tech bot/Popular pages, could it also post a notice at the WikiProject's talk page? This would increase awareness of Popular pages & perhaps encourage usage. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 03:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    We certainly can, though I'd like to hear input from more people. Many WP talk pages get a lot of spam, and some already have the popular pages report transcluded on the main WP page. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    We certainly can, though I'd like to hear input from more people. Many WP talk pages get a lot of spam, and some already have the popular pages report transcluded on the main WP page. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Discussion:

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    Question: Post a time-stamped completion message from Community Tech bot, onto each Wikiproject's Talk page? JoeHebda (talk) 02:57, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Question: Post a time-stamped completion message from Community Tech bot, onto each Wikiproject's Talk page? JoeHebda (talk) 02:57, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Bot issue with WP Paintball

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  • Sorry for these questions - similar to problems when I was involved with "WP 1.0 bot" for article assessment tables. Mostly caused by WPs not setup correctly, or Talk page coding errors causing the bot to respond incorrectly. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:03, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    These were test edits. I chose that report because apparently no one reads it. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Normally the bot only updates that page after it's finished going through all WPs. I've been manually updating it (via script), just to keep track of where we are. I'm going to make the bot update it regularly on its own. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    No worries :) MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    • Is the bot running - July 14th

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    Version 0.7 Popular pages question

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    Bot completion errors?

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    Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Thanks for alerting us! Eastern Orthodox Church was broken because of a recent rename. I've inquired about this on the talk page. Free Software has been updated. The other two WikiProjects are now inactive, so I've removed them from the config. Best, MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 22:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Thanks for alerting us! Eastern Orthodox Church was broken because of a recent rename. I've inquired about this on the talk page. Free Software has been updated. The other two WikiProjects are now inactive, so I've removed them from the config. Best, MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 22:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Template with right side overflow, a temp fix?

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    Greetings, for Template {{Patriarchs of Constantinople}} the wikilinks on right side were spilling beyond the right margin. If I changed my browser to 80-percent (very small text) the problem would go away. To get 100-percent size text, I added a blank image (|image= [[image:Pix.gif|right|10px]]). This appears to have solved the issue. Wondering if this a temporary solution or is there a better way for this navbox? JoeHebda (talk) 17:44, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Greetings, for Template {{Patriarchs of Constantinople}} the wikilinks on right side were spilling beyond the right margin. If I changed my browser to 80-percent (very small text) the problem would go away. To get 100-percent size text, I added a blank image (|image= [[image:Pix.gif|right|10px]]). This appears to have solved the issue. Wondering if this a temporary solution or is there a better way for this navbox? JoeHebda (talk) 17:44, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    {{Navbox}} adds the nowraplinks class to the table. That can cause overflow problems if the title includes a long link text, even when it looks like there should be room for it. I see the issue you describe at some zoom levels both before and after your solution although it does work at more zoom levels after. I think the override |titleclass = wraplinks is a better solution. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
     Done - Thanks PrimeHunter for the titleclass solution. Removing the right side image adds more Navbox space for the links. I've changed above template and a few large templates. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    {{Navbox}} adds the nowraplinks class to the table. That can cause overflow problems if the title includes a long link text, even when it looks like there should be room for it. I see the issue you describe at some zoom levels both before and after your solution although it does work at more zoom levels after. I think the override |titleclass = wraplinks is a better solution. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
     Done - Thanks PrimeHunter for the titleclass solution. Removing the right side image adds more Navbox space for the links. I've changed above template and a few large templates. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Module that can handle MW timestamps

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    Hi all. I am curious if there exists a module that can take a MW timestamp (such as 20190818143148) as an input and return a formatted string (such as "18 Aug 2019, 14:31") as the output. Please {{ping}} me when responding huji—TALK 15:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi all. I am curious if there exists a module that can take a MW timestamp (such as 20190818143148) as an input and return a formatted string (such as "18 Aug 2019, 14:31") as the output. Please {{ping}} me when responding huji—TALK 15:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Huji: Does os.time work for you? --Izno (talk) 15:28, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Izno: it probably would; but instead of writing a new module (which woudl obviously use os.time), I was wondering if I could use an existing one. Lua is not my strong suit after all. huji—TALK 18:53, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Turns out the #time parser function accepts timestamps as an input. I will use that. huji—TALK 19:34, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Huji: Does os.time work for you? --Izno (talk) 15:28, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Izno: it probably would; but instead of writing a new module (which woudl obviously use os.time), I was wondering if I could use an existing one. Lua is not my strong suit after all. huji—TALK 18:53, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Turns out the #time parser function accepts timestamps as an input. I will use that. huji—TALK 19:34, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Getting IP-specific or different-range block logs for an IP

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    When an account is blocked for a second (or more) time, the pink box that lists the current block in Special:Contributions has a "View full log" link to see the previous block activity. If the account is an anon IP and the block is a rangeblock, then that link is for that same range (see Special:Contributions/2601:586:400:833A:FD78:71BE:47B5:5110, who is covered by a /64 block, and its "View ful log"). Using the "block log" link near the top of the page, I can see there is also historical block activity related to that specific IP ([46]). However, there is no way to find the historical rangeblock info once it expires unless one knows to look for the /64 itself (i.e., that it was a /64 rather than some other range, and that there might have also been other size ranges). Is there a way to look up all previous blocks that apply to a certain IP or small range, including all larger sizes? DMacks (talk) 12:10, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    When an account is blocked for a second (or more) time, the pink box that lists the current block in Special:Contributions has a "View full log" link to see the previous block activity. If the account is an anon IP and the block is a rangeblock, then that link is for that same range (see Special:Contributions/2601:586:400:833A:FD78:71BE:47B5:5110, who is covered by a /64 block, and its "View ful log"). Using the "block log" link near the top of the page, I can see there is also historical block activity related to that specific IP ([46]). However, there is no way to find the historical rangeblock info once it expires unless one knows to look for the /64 itself (i.e., that it was a /64 rather than some other range, and that there might have also been other size ranges). Is there a way to look up all previous blocks that apply to a certain IP or small range, including all larger sizes? DMacks (talk) 12:10, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    toolforge:rangeblockfinder works for finding range blocks for an IPv4. — JJMC89 (T·C) 22:10, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Thanks! That seems to be going in the opposite direction (subranges of given range) than I want (superset-ranges of given), but I added a note about this variation there. DMacks (talk) 03:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    toolforge:rangeblockfinder works for finding range blocks for an IPv4. — JJMC89 (T·C) 22:10, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    This is phab:T146628 — MusikAnimal talk 02:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks! That seems to be going in the opposite direction (subranges of given range) than I want (superset-ranges of given), but I added a note about this variation there. DMacks (talk) 03:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Tech News: 2019-34

    Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. @@ -2641,14 +2641,14 @@ Greetings, Community tech bot appears to be down (not running) since April, 2019

    15:20, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

    Format output of Template:To USD

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    Hi there, please can you assist me with formatting the output of Template:To USD to insert commas between thousands, in addition to accept input which has commas. I believe {{formatnum:}} will be of assistance. Thanks for your help in advance, {{u|waddie96}} {talk} 18:39, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi there, please can you assist me with formatting the output of Template:To USD to insert commas between thousands, in addition to accept input which has commas. I believe {{formatnum:}} will be of assistance. Thanks for your help in advance, {{u|waddie96}} {talk} 18:39, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    [A note for myself that the template help doc must be updated to match these changes, i.e. r/v recent additions]

    "Move subpages of talk page (up to 100)" checkbox unticked by default

    Resolved
    Tracked in Phabricator
    Task T222953 Resolved
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    I'm pretty confident I've seen a thread on this topic, and we made sure the default was to then keep it checked, for reasons of not making stupid mistakes. Was the change reversed or am I seeing things? --qedk (t 桜 c) 05:24, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I'm pretty confident I've seen a thread on this topic, and we made sure the default was to then keep it checked, for reasons of not making stupid mistakes. Was the change reversed or am I seeing things? --qedk (t 桜 c) 05:24, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    QEDK, the change hasn't been merged - see phab:T222953. You can put this snippet (written by someone else) in your Special:MyPage/common.js:
    :/* Automatically tick the "Move subpages" option when moving pages.*/
 :var moveSubpagesBox = document.getElementsByName("wpMovesubpages")[0];
@@ -2657,9 +2657,9 @@ Greetings, Community tech bot appears to be down (not running) since April, 2019
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    to automatically tick it though. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks, @Galobtter:, not quite sure how or where I saw the change, I do appreciate the hack! :) --qedk (t 桜 c) 17:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks, @DannyS712 and Legoktm:! --qedk (t 桜 c) 19:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    to automatically tick it though. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks, @Galobtter:, not quite sure how or where I saw the change, I do appreciate the hack! :) --qedk (t 桜 c) 17:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks, @DannyS712 and Legoktm:! --qedk (t 桜 c) 19:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Picking a draft to review: RandomInCategory isn't very random

    Tracked in Phabricator
    Task T200703

    I've noticed that when I use Special:RandomInCategory/Pending AfC submissions, I see the same pages over and over. I found some threads (here and here) that explain about how RandomInCategory works (i.e. indexing pre-generated page_random values). I get that it's fast, but boy, does it produce poor results. I just pulled up 25 "random" drafts, and got: @@ -2716,127 +2716,127 @@ Greetings, Community tech bot appears to be down (not running) since April, 2019

    That's pretty typical across many runs. That says to me (the self-professed statistical idiot) that the longer you manage the draft work queue with this process, the less uniform the gap distribution will become, and thus lead to the behavior I'm seeing.

    Assuming the above makes any sense at all, I think we need a better way to manage the draft work queue. -

    -- RoySmith (talk) 17:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    -- RoySmith (talk) 17:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Good catch! Would this be a good candidate for a Phabricator ticket? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Good catch! Would this be a good candidate for a Phabricator ticket? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Huh! I am virtually never active on enwiki. I happened to open the thread right above this one and see this as a result. I also happen to be the person who wrote RandomInCategory!
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    I think it is best to move this to Phab. Essentially (if I understand it well) the problem is that page_random is (hopefully) uniformly distributed across all pages; but when thinking about a small category, its values will certainly not be uniformly distributed. There exist ways through which we could circumvent this, but I'm not sure if these ways are efficient enough to be adopted into MW source code. It is best to have that discussion in Phab, where more technical users can discuss its efficiency (or propose more efficient implementations of it). Please add me (Huji) on Phab once you create the task. huji—TALK 18:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I'm happy to open a Phab ticket, but I'm not sure what the ticket should say. The problem isn't (I don't think) that RandomInCategory is broken. I think the current implementation actually a pretty good solution for its intended purpose, which I assume is driving the "Random article" link on the main page. It's just that how we use it for managing the draft work queue is not a good fit. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:11, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I think it is best to move this to Phab. Essentially (if I understand it well) the problem is that page_random is (hopefully) uniformly distributed across all pages; but when thinking about a small category, its values will certainly not be uniformly distributed. There exist ways through which we could circumvent this, but I'm not sure if these ways are efficient enough to be adopted into MW source code. It is best to have that discussion in Phab, where more technical users can discuss its efficiency (or propose more efficient implementations of it). Please add me (Huji) on Phab once you create the task. huji—TALK 18:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I'm happy to open a Phab ticket, but I'm not sure what the ticket should say. The problem isn't (I don't think) that RandomInCategory is broken. I think the current implementation actually a pretty good solution for its intended purpose, which I assume is driving the "Random article" link on the main page. It's just that how we use it for managing the draft work queue is not a good fit. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:11, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict)My philosophy is to describe the problem without making any assumptions as to what form the solution should take. I remember a toy I worked on a a while back (think very limited amount of RAM and processing power) where the complain was that a particular "random choice" didn't feel random enough. Upon talking to the play testers, the real complaint was the toy serving up the same random selection two or three times in a row. So instead of rewriting the RNG, I just had it remember the last eight results and "roll again" if the latest selection was on the list of recent results. My point is that the people reporting the problem didn't know that this was the solution, and instead asked me to "make the selection more random" I actually made it slighly less random, but I solved the real problem.
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    So just report the test results without any assumption about what the answer should be, and let the developers pick a solution. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:36, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Created T230700 -- RoySmith (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    So just to clarify - RandomInCategory does not use page_random like Special:Random does. Instead it looks at the date the first and last page was added to the category, and then picks a random time somewhere between those two, in order to find a page. Since date added to a category is distributed non-uniformly, this is generally not random. At the time, it was felt that this method, although severely flawed was better than nothing. Bawolff (talk) 02:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    So just report the test results without any assumption about what the answer should be, and let the developers pick a solution. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:36, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Created T230700 -- RoySmith (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    So just to clarify - RandomInCategory does not use page_random like Special:Random does. Instead it looks at the date the first and last page was added to the category, and then picks a random time somewhere between those two, in order to find a page. Since date added to a category is distributed non-uniformly, this is generally not random. At the time, it was felt that this method, although severely flawed was better than nothing. Bawolff (talk) 02:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Oh, so that really explains what's going on. That's worse than using page_random. With page_random, the biggest gaps tend to get split into smaller ones as new pages get added to the category, as noted above. In fact, once I realized that, I no longer had much confidence that my analysis made sense, but the behavioral observation was still valid. If you're using date added, that's monotonically increasing. Existing gaps never get split, they just keep getting bigger as entries are removed from the category. The one nice thing is this tends to favor processing older entries first. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Oh, so that really explains what's going on. That's worse than using page_random. With page_random, the biggest gaps tend to get split into smaller ones as new pages get added to the category, as noted above. In fact, once I realized that, I no longer had much confidence that my analysis made sense, but the behavioral observation was still valid. If you're using date added, that's monotonically increasing. Existing gaps never get split, they just keep getting bigger as entries are removed from the category. The one nice thing is this tends to favor processing older entries first. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    CSS for tables sabotaged?

    Time in Russia
         KALT Kaliningrad Time UTC+2 (MSK−1)
         MSK Moscow Time UTC+3 (MSK±0)
         SAMT Samara Time UTC+4 (MSK+1)
         YEKT Yekaterinburg Time UTC+5 (MSK+2)
         OMST Omsk Time UTC+6 (MSK+3)
         KRAT Krasnoyarsk Time UTC+7 (MSK+4)
         IRKT Irkutsk Time UTC+8 (MSK+5)
         YAKT Yakutsk Time UTC+9 (MSK+6)
         VLAT Vladivostok Time UTC+10 (MSK+7)
         MAGT Magadan Time UTC+11 (MSK+8)
         PETT Kamchatka Time UTC+12 (MSK+9)
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    The content of {{time zones of Russia}} is nastily clipped in Vector. In Monobook I see it differently depending on desktop. I suspect that some quick hands without feedback scrabbled in style sheets, but am unwilling to investigate. There are scores of people with privileges here, while I have none. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 10:51, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    The content of {{time zones of Russia}} is nastily clipped in Vector. In Monobook I see it differently depending on desktop. I suspect that some quick hands without feedback scrabbled in style sheets, but am unwilling to investigate. There are scores of people with privileges here, while I have none. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 10:51, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    I'm actually shocked the template works at all; I've never seen anyone put a table inside of a file caption. I don't see any issue though, any of Monobook, Vector, or Timeless. --Izno (talk) 11:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I'm actually shocked the template works at all; I've never seen anyone put a table inside of a file caption. I don't see any issue though, any of Monobook, Vector, or Timeless. --Izno (talk) 11:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Caption with a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong word
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    It also looks fine to me in Vector. Captions don't make horizontal scrollbars for wide content so I can imagine the right side being cut off for some users who don't have room for all the table columns. If this is what you mean by ""nastily clipped" then it's not specific to tables. It happens for me in the example image with "Caption with a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong word". I see three caption lines with the middle cut off at "looooooooooooooooooooooooo". PrimeHunter (talk) 12:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The image in {{time zones of Russia}} is 300px. The smallest size where I see the full caption in Vector is 272px. We could increase the image to 350px to reduce the risk of problems. There may still be users with too large fonts but probably few. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Thanks, I missed that the template was foolishly redesigned during last years. Should the table be extracted from the caption? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 13:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I think that would be a good idea. More guaranteed not to break that way. --Izno (talk) 13:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    It also looks fine to me in Vector. Captions don't make horizontal scrollbars for wide content so I can imagine the right side being cut off for some users who don't have room for all the table columns. If this is what you mean by ""nastily clipped" then it's not specific to tables. It happens for me in the example image with "Caption with a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong word". I see three caption lines with the middle cut off at "looooooooooooooooooooooooo". PrimeHunter (talk) 12:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    The image in {{time zones of Russia}} is 300px. The smallest size where I see the full caption in Vector is 272px. We could increase the image to 350px to reduce the risk of problems. There may still be users with too large fonts but probably few. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Thanks, I missed that the template was foolishly redesigned during last years. Should the table be extracted from the caption? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 13:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I think that would be a good idea. More guaranteed not to break that way. --Izno (talk) 13:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    With 300px image
    Time in Russia
         KALT Kaliningrad Time UTC+2 (MSK−1)
         MSK Moscow Time UTC+3 (MSK±0)
         SAMT Samara Time UTC+4 (MSK+1)
         YEKT Yekaterinburg Time UTC+5 (MSK+2)
         OMST Omsk Time UTC+6 (MSK+3)
         KRAT Krasnoyarsk Time UTC+7 (MSK+4)
         IRKT Irkutsk Time UTC+8 (MSK+5)
         YAKT Yakutsk Time UTC+9 (MSK+6)
         VLAT Vladivostok Time UTC+10 (MSK+7)
         MAGT Magadan Time UTC+11 (MSK+8)
         PETT Kamchatka Time UTC+12 (MSK+9)
    With 190px image
    Time in Russia
         KALT Kaliningrad Time UTC+2 (MSK−1)
         MSK Moscow Time UTC+3 (MSK±0)
         SAMT Samara Time UTC+4 (MSK+1)
         YEKT Yekaterinburg Time UTC+5 (MSK+2)
         OMST Omsk Time UTC+6 (MSK+3)
         KRAT Krasnoyarsk Time UTC+7 (MSK+4)
         IRKT Irkutsk Time UTC+8 (MSK+5)
         YAKT Yakutsk Time UTC+9 (MSK+6)
         VLAT Vladivostok Time UTC+10 (MSK+7)
         MAGT Magadan Time UTC+11 (MSK+8)
         PETT Kamchatka Time UTC+12 (MSK+9)
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    Tables in captions work fine as long as they aren't forced to be too wide for the image. I added a 300px and 190px version where a &nbsp; is removed to allow wrapping in "Yekaterinburg Time", and UTC/MSK is in the same cell to allow wrapping there. I see the whole caption at 190px and think almost everybody does at 300px. It's less pretty when cells wrap but I think it would be worse if there was no table but just whole unaligned lines which wrap at the end of the line. And most readers probably don't get wrapping at 300px but do get good formatting with aligned columns. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    You could also put the image in the (new) top row of the table, and thus not have to worry about how |thumb= behaves at all. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Tables in captions work fine as long as they aren't forced to be too wide for the image. I added a 300px and 190px version where a &nbsp; is removed to allow wrapping in "Yekaterinburg Time", and UTC/MSK is in the same cell to allow wrapping there. I see the whole caption at 190px and think almost everybody does at 300px. It's less pretty when cells wrap but I think it would be worse if there was no table but just whole unaligned lines which wrap at the end of the line. And most readers probably don't get wrapping at 300px but do get good formatting with aligned columns. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    You could also put the image in the (new) top row of the table, and thus not have to worry about how |thumb= behaves at all. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Preferences edit request

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    Don't know where else to put this. At preferences, under "Gadgets", there is a checkbox related to the Watchlist. EDIT REQUEST, please add text under the watchlist tab so folks configuring watchlists can more easily find the watchlist bold toggle under the gadgets tab. (I spent 90 minutes today trying to figure out why bold wasn't working but never thought to look under gadgets... Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Don't know where else to put this. At preferences, under "Gadgets", there is a checkbox related to the Watchlist. EDIT REQUEST, please add text under the watchlist tab so folks configuring watchlists can more easily find the watchlist bold toggle under the gadgets tab. (I spent 90 minutes today trying to figure out why bold wasn't working but never thought to look under gadgets... Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    You mean: "Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold (see customizing watchlists for more options)"? Ruslik_Zero 14:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Yes... that quote is under the gadgets tab, so we're coverted going GADGETS >>>to>>> WATCHLIST. But if one starts configuring their watchlist under "watchlist" - as most preferences noobs probably do - there is no text pointing at the gadget. If such text were added, we would help people know that there is more watchlist tweaking if they go the other way, WATCHLIST >>>to>>> GADGET. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I don't think that's possible. Gadgets are local, user-written scripts. The rest of Special:Preferences is from MediaWiki itself. User:TheDJ probably remembers what this script does – maybe turns off MediaWiki's default bold, and then turns it back on, or something like that? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    You mean: "Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold (see customizing watchlists for more options)"? Ruslik_Zero 14:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Yes... that quote is under the gadgets tab, so we're coverted going GADGETS >>>to>>> WATCHLIST. But if one starts configuring their watchlist under "watchlist" - as most preferences noobs probably do - there is no text pointing at the gadget. If such text were added, we would help people know that there is more watchlist tweaking if they go the other way, WATCHLIST >>>to>>> GADGET. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I don't think that's possible. Gadgets are local, user-written scripts. The rest of Special:Preferences is from MediaWiki itself. User:TheDJ probably remembers what this script does – maybe turns off MediaWiki's default bold, and then turns it back on, or something like that? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Disabling HTML comments for drafts?

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    I've seen several instances of draft authors inserting HTML comments with their replies to reviews. I assume what's going on is that instead of using the AFCH Comment button, they've accidentally discovered the "Insert comment" feature of Visual Editor. If you're new at all this, it's a perfectly understandable mistake, and leads to all sorts of confusion. Is there some way we can disable the "Insert comment" menu item in VE when editing a draft? -- RoySmith (talk) 12:54, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I've seen several instances of draft authors inserting HTML comments with their replies to reviews. I assume what's going on is that instead of using the AFCH Comment button, they've accidentally discovered the "Insert comment" feature of Visual Editor. If you're new at all this, it's a perfectly understandable mistake, and leads to all sorts of confusion. Is there some way we can disable the "Insert comment" menu item in VE when editing a draft? -- RoySmith (talk) 12:54, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @RoySmith: disabling HTML comments in Draft space all together would be a bad idea (for example they are often used to comment out categories being drafted). Can you provide a few diffs where you think this problem is being introduced though? — xaosflux Talk 13:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Most recently, here, immediately followed by an attempt to fix the problem; I assume the nowiki tags got added automatically as part of some copy-paste operation. This isn't the first time I've seen stuff like this, but I'd have to do a lot of digging to find other examples. Maybe the "Insert comment" menu item should be disabled in VE for all new editors, with a preferences checkbox to enable it? It really is an advanced feature, that's not likely to be needed by new editors. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I don't think there is project-level control of those settings (just like with the "index/noindex" control in there that is virtually useless. — xaosflux Talk 13:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @RoySmith: disabling HTML comments in Draft space all together would be a bad idea (for example they are often used to comment out categories being drafted). Can you provide a few diffs where you think this problem is being introduced though? — xaosflux Talk 13:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Most recently, here, immediately followed by an attempt to fix the problem; I assume the nowiki tags got added automatically as part of some copy-paste operation. This isn't the first time I've seen stuff like this, but I'd have to do a lot of digging to find other examples. Maybe the "Insert comment" menu item should be disabled in VE for all new editors, with a preferences checkbox to enable it? It really is an advanced feature, that's not likely to be needed by new editors. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I don't think there is project-level control of those settings (just like with the "index/noindex" control in there that is virtually useless. — xaosflux Talk 13:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    If possible, I would prefer that the name be changed to "insert invisible comment" with a help page created at WP:HTML Comment explaining when and why one might use the AFCH Comment button and when and why one might use the invisible comment button. We could even add a "are you sure?" extra step befor an HTML comment is placed.
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    In general, I don't like disabling features when a warning or explanation can do the job. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:47, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Having the editor work differently in draft space and main space does not strike me as a desirable feature. Explaining the buttons better seems superior to removing them. —Kusma (t·c) 13:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Kusma and Guy Macon: we could change the label from "Comment" to something else in these messages. It doesn't look like it supports wikilinks or much help text there though. — xaosflux Talk 14:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    In general, I don't like disabling features when a warning or explanation can do the job. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:47, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Having the editor work differently in draft space and main space does not strike me as a desirable feature. Explaining the buttons better seems superior to removing them. —Kusma (t·c) 13:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Kusma and Guy Macon: we could change the label from "Comment" to something else in these messages. It doesn't look like it supports wikilinks or much help text there though. — xaosflux Talk 14:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Changing "comment" to "invisible comment" seems like an uncontroversial change that we can make right now. Does anyone object?
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    Next, is it possible to put up a warning/explanation that the user only sees when they click on that button? --Guy Macon (talk) 14:28, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Next, is it possible to put up a warning/explanation that the user only sees when they click on that button? --Guy Macon (talk) 14:28, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Submitters of drafts don't have an AFCH Comment button unless they've turned on "Yet Another AFC Helper Script" in their gadget preferences, which they are extremely unlikely to have done. To keep them from thinking that the right way to respond to a reviewer comment is with <!-- Hidden text -->, it would be better to change VE's insert menu item from "Comment" to "Hidden text". "Comment" (or "Invisible comment") makes sense to computer programmers, but most users of VE aren't computer programmers. The text
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    "Persistent" login using Python mwclient

    Hello, I am one of the maintainers of User:WP 1.0 bot. We've recently changed the server architecture of the bot drastically. Instead of a single threaded cron job that runs once a day, we now have worker processes running as daemons that pick up any work that is added to the work queue. This is coupled with, of course, a cron job that runs once a day but simply adds work to the queue and exits.

    I'm running into a problem with long running login sessions expiring (which is to be expected) and how to resolve the issue. The script is written in Python and uses mwclient to log in to English Wikipedia and perform edits as the bot. I've logged an issue on github about the problem.

    Basically, I was wondering if anyone has encountered this before and knows how to resolve it. You can see my (convoluted) attempt in our source code. Note that site is a global variable so that login can be performed easily "pre-fork", by the worker startup script before the worker jobs themselves are forked. -

    Additionally, if anyone has any information about a better place to ask this question, like an "mwclient-users@" mailing list somewhere, that would be very helpful. Thanks! audiodude (talk) 03:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Additionally, if anyone has any information about a better place to ask this question, like an "mwclient-users@" mailing list somewhere, that would be very helpful. Thanks! audiodude (talk) 03:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Is anyone up to the job of helping me update our page on downtime?

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    Wikipedia:Downtime is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. I think it would be worthwhile to revive it. Does anyone know where I can find the information I would need to do that? My impression is that in recent years we have only had brief planned downtime while various upgrades are made, but I would like to see a page documenting the great job the server wranglers are doing. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Wikipedia:Downtime is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. I think it would be worthwhile to revive it. Does anyone know where I can find the information I would need to do that? My impression is that in recent years we have only had brief planned downtime while various upgrades are made, but I would like to see a page documenting the great job the server wranglers are doing. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Guy Macon: wikitech:Incident documentation. This includes a lot of services that don't effect readers here on enwiki, though. See also the "Production excellence" reports on Release Engineering Team blog. — MusikAnimal talk 14:57, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks! I think I can separate out the actual outages and update the page with that. Might take a week or so because of that pesky real life... :) --Guy Macon (talk) 15:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Indirect, but probably one way of doing this would be to look at when sudden spurts of activity happen in logs of the #wikimedia-operations irc channel. Downtime usually corresponds with a lot of people asking what is going on, and a lot of spam from monitoring bots. You can also look at the pretty charts at grafana, like this one of edit rate [50] (As if the site is down, the editing stops). Bawolff (talk) 20:55, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Guy Macon: wikitech:Incident documentation. This includes a lot of services that don't effect readers here on enwiki, though. See also the "Production excellence" reports on Release Engineering Team blog. — MusikAnimal talk 14:57, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks! I think I can separate out the actual outages and update the page with that. Might take a week or so because of that pesky real life... :) --Guy Macon (talk) 15:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Indirect, but probably one way of doing this would be to look at when sudden spurts of activity happen in logs of the #wikimedia-operations irc channel. Downtime usually corresponds with a lot of people asking what is going on, and a lot of spam from monitoring bots. You can also look at the pretty charts at grafana, like this one of edit rate [50] (As if the site is down, the editing stops). Bawolff (talk) 20:55, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Bad autocomplete on edit summaries

    So I've got this workflow problem where I'll click on the edit summary box, move the mouse cursor down to the "save" button, then type or paste an edit summary, and this annoying menu of unrelated edit summaries will pop up behind the mouse cursor. And because my mouse happens to be over this menu (even without clicking) (usually trying to move away from it and make it go away) whatever edit summarily I've entered will be replaced by whatever random thing is under the mouse cursor. Looks like this. -

    I had assumed this was some kind of browser feature for which I can't find the setting to turn it off, but then I considered that its degree of responsiveness is laggy to actually be a mediawiki javascript feature instead. Whatever it is, I just want to make it go away. I'm using Chromium "Version 76.0.3809.100 (Official Build) Built on Ubuntu, running on Ubuntu 18.04 (64-bit)" and the monobook skin, if any of that matters. ―cobaltcigs 00:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    I had assumed this was some kind of browser feature for which I can't find the setting to turn it off, but then I considered that its degree of responsiveness is laggy to actually be a mediawiki javascript feature instead. Whatever it is, I just want to make it go away. I'm using Chromium "Version 76.0.3809.100 (Official Build) Built on Ubuntu, running on Ubuntu 18.04 (64-bit)" and the monobook skin, if any of that matters. ―cobaltcigs 00:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Cobaltcigs: Mediawiki doesn't have autocomplete for edit summaries, this is from your browser. To verify, you can try to use a different browser. Your browser should have a clear option for autofill. — xaosflux Talk 00:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    The VisualEditor does autocomplete for edit summaries in a way custom to VE based on your most-recent N (200?) edit summaries. Other editors don't. --Izno (talk) 00:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Heh. I reported this problem 14 years ago. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:10, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Ohhhh this is some possible VE issue? @Cobaltcigs: are you using the Visual Editor? — xaosflux Talk 01:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Strike that, your imgur.com SS shows this is in the wikitext editor, so back to it's your browser. You can verify with another browser. — xaosflux Talk 01:26, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Cobaltcigs: Mediawiki doesn't have autocomplete for edit summaries, this is from your browser. To verify, you can try to use a different browser. Your browser should have a clear option for autofill. — xaosflux Talk 00:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    The VisualEditor does autocomplete for edit summaries in a way custom to VE based on your most-recent N (200?) edit summaries. Other editors don't. --Izno (talk) 00:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Heh. I reported this problem 14 years ago. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:10, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Ohhhh this is some possible VE issue? @Cobaltcigs: are you using the Visual Editor? — xaosflux Talk 01:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Strike that, your imgur.com SS shows this is in the wikitext editor, so back to it's your browser. You can verify with another browser. — xaosflux Talk 01:26, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Cobaltcigs: You can make the edit summary autocomplete menu go away completely by adding the following code to your common.js page:
    $('#wpSummary').attr('autocomplete', 'off');
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    SD0001 (talk) 12:37, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    SD0001 (talk) 12:37, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    nice tip. i was not aware of this attribute. two minor comments:
    1. according to [51], support for this attribute is relatively new on FF, and does not exist for IE browsers. if you use IE, too bad, and if you use FF, you need version 67 or higher (current is 68).
    2. the snippet posted by SD0001 may not always work: if your common.js happen to finish loading before the page is fully formed, it can be a miss. you probably want something like 
      $(function() { $('#wpSummary').attr('autocomplete', 'off'); });
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    peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 22:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 22:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Is this code safe?

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    Sincerely, Humorous. (talk) 04:57, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Sincerely, Humorous. (talk) 04:57, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Humorous1234: that code just imports User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js - Enterprisey is a great script writer, and their code can be trusted. It is safe DannyS712 (talk) 05:02, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    VPT is for technical issues. While the question is certainly valid, the instructions on the top of your .js page already state that you should trust the code you're putting into your script page, code which is accessible already, at the linkback link above and you can check it yourself before adding it to your script page. --qedk (t 桜 c) 17:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @QEDK: that warning message does specifically refer anyone with questions to this page. — xaosflux Talk 17:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    To the OP, the User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel script is currently "safe", and the current owner is trusted to keep scripts safe. As DannyS712 mentioned, you should just use the direct loaded version following the directions at User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel. When importing someone else's script keep in mind that it could break, change, be removed, or be abandoned at any time. — xaosflux Talk 17:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thank you! Sincerely, Humorous. (talk) 03:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Humorous1234: that code just imports User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js - Enterprisey is a great script writer, and their code can be trusted. It is safe DannyS712 (talk) 05:02, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    VPT is for technical issues. While the question is certainly valid, the instructions on the top of your .js page already state that you should trust the code you're putting into your script page, code which is accessible already, at the linkback link above and you can check it yourself before adding it to your script page. --qedk (t 桜 c) 17:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @QEDK: that warning message does specifically refer anyone with questions to this page. — xaosflux Talk 17:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    To the OP, the User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel script is currently "safe", and the current owner is trusted to keep scripts safe. As DannyS712 mentioned, you should just use the direct loaded version following the directions at User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel. When importing someone else's script keep in mind that it could break, change, be removed, or be abandoned at any time. — xaosflux Talk 17:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thank you! Sincerely, Humorous. (talk) 03:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Two-Factor Authentication

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    Hey guys! Where can I see the rescue codes for my TFA? I lost access to the device that generated the codes for me, now I don’t know how to access it on my new device. •_•--▸ ‎épine talk♬ 13:44, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hey guys! Where can I see the rescue codes for my TFA? I lost access to the device that generated the codes for me, now I don’t know how to access it on my new device. •_•--▸ ‎épine talk♬ 13:44, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Épine: Scratch Codes would be wherever you securely stored them. You only see these codes while setting up 2FA (and never again), so copy them from your browser and save them offline in a safe place (e.g. on a memory stick or paper printout). If you don't keep these codes and encounter a problem with your 2FA device, you will be locked out of your account. — xaosflux Talk 13:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Oh no. I’m screwed.--▸ ‎épine talk♬ 13:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Épine: You can attempt to create a phabricator request to remove your 2FA settings, assign it to WMF T&S. It will be up to them if they are willing to work on this. — xaosflux Talk 13:52, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    I just found out that I backed up three of those rescue codes to my cloud! Thanks though! Appreciate the help. I won’t be gone for good I guess ^_^--▸ ‎épine talk♬ 13:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Épine: good deal! Just unenroll and reenroll, it will make you 10 new scratch codes. Be sure to reenroll so you don't loose your int-admin access on ckbwiki. — xaosflux Talk 14:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Épine: Scratch Codes would be wherever you securely stored them. You only see these codes while setting up 2FA (and never again), so copy them from your browser and save them offline in a safe place (e.g. on a memory stick or paper printout). If you don't keep these codes and encounter a problem with your 2FA device, you will be locked out of your account. — xaosflux Talk 13:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Oh no. I’m screwed.--▸ ‎épine talk♬ 13:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Épine: You can attempt to create a phabricator request to remove your 2FA settings, assign it to WMF T&S. It will be up to them if they are willing to work on this. — xaosflux Talk 13:52, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    I just found out that I backed up three of those rescue codes to my cloud! Thanks though! Appreciate the help. I won’t be gone for good I guess ^_^--▸ ‎épine talk♬ 13:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Épine: good deal! Just unenroll and reenroll, it will make you 10 new scratch codes. Be sure to reenroll so you don't loose your int-admin access on ckbwiki. — xaosflux Talk 14:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikimedia Commons stadium template

    Hello! I am writing here for the first time, so I apologize if I write in the wrong section. I would like to draw the attention of Wikipedia administrators one inaccuracy in the template for Belarusian stadiums on the Wikimedia Commons. In the LOCATION field, instead of the current 2019 administrative-territorial structure of the country outdated information from the year of construction of the sports facility is indicated.

    It turns out such nonsense: Dynama Stadium, Minsk built in 1934, but instead of a location in the country BELARUS, the card in the description indicates the states that existed in the 1930s on the territory of modern BELARUS — Lithuanian–Belorussian Soviet Socialist Republic, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic.

    Same thing with Central Stadium, Gomel. The stadium was built in the 1920s, but Gomel Povet and Mogilyov Viceroyalty no longer exists. By administrative-territorial structure of the Republic of BELARUS for 2019 all cities is part of the district, then the region, then the country. The capital city of Minsk is a separate administrative unit within BELARUS.

    In this regard, I ask administrators to make the necessary changes to the card on the Wikimedia Commons for Belarusian stadiums so that outdated information does not mislead readers. If you want to make sure the veracity of my arguments, I can connect administrators from the Belarusian Wikipedia to the discussion. We will provide links to the official administrative-territorial structure of the Republic of BELARUS for the current time of 2019. -

    Thanks for attention! --Football Beetle (talk) 16:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Thanks for attention! --Football Beetle (talk) 16:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Hi @Football Beetle: can you copy and paste the link to the page where you are seeing this below? — xaosflux Talk 17:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Of course. Here are three different stadiums for example: Dinamo Stadium (Minsk), Traktor Stadium, Central Stadium (Gomel). And at this stadium Borisov Arena on the Wikimedia Commons LOCATION is indicated correctly. --Football Beetle (talk) 17:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Hi @Football Beetle: can you copy and paste the link to the page where you are seeing this below? — xaosflux Talk 17:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Of course. Here are three different stadiums for example: Dinamo Stadium (Minsk), Traktor Stadium, Central Stadium (Gomel). And at this stadium Borisov Arena on the Wikimedia Commons LOCATION is indicated correctly. --Football Beetle (talk) 17:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    I still don't know what you refer to with "the card on the Wikimedia Commons for Belarusian stadiums". Please give precise steps to reproduce an example of the issue, e.g. "Click on Dinamo Stadium (Minsk), click on the coordinates in the infobox or do something else, click on X, now there is a map/box/whatever which says Y but should have said Z." PrimeHunter (talk) 18:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    (edit conflict) @Football Beetle: OK, I think I've unraveled this. To summarize: You are not seeing a problem with the encyclopedia articles here on the English Wikipedia. You do think there is a problem with the data on certain pages at Wikimedia Commons, for example: commons:Category:Dynama Stadium, Minsk. For pages such as that on Wikimedia Commons, that data is usually generated via a template there, commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox, which in turn gets values from another project, WikiData. There should be a blue pencil icon at the bottom of those Infoboxes on commons that you can use to go to WikiData then make appropriate edits. For example, wikidata:Q4439085 has location properties (e.g. located in the administrative territorial entity) that you can update. Assuming this is correct, there is nothing that the English Wikipedia editors would directly do about this, but you can edit them directly. Does that help? — xaosflux Talk 18:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    I still don't know what you refer to with "the card on the Wikimedia Commons for Belarusian stadiums". Please give precise steps to reproduce an example of the issue, e.g. "Click on Dinamo Stadium (Minsk), click on the coordinates in the infobox or do something else, click on X, now there is a map/box/whatever which says Y but should have said Z." PrimeHunter (talk) 18:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    (edit conflict) @Football Beetle: OK, I think I've unraveled this. To summarize: You are not seeing a problem with the encyclopedia articles here on the English Wikipedia. You do think there is a problem with the data on certain pages at Wikimedia Commons, for example: commons:Category:Dynama Stadium, Minsk. For pages such as that on Wikimedia Commons, that data is usually generated via a template there, commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox, which in turn gets values from another project, WikiData. There should be a blue pencil icon at the bottom of those Infoboxes on commons that you can use to go to WikiData then make appropriate edits. For example, wikidata:Q4439085 has location properties (e.g. located in the administrative territorial entity) that you can update. Assuming this is correct, there is nothing that the English Wikipedia editors would directly do about this, but you can edit them directly. Does that help? — xaosflux Talk 18:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    I will now explain in detail the essence of the problem. You correctly said that you first need to enter information about location of the stadium on WikiData. If the stadium was built in 2014, then on the Wikimedia Commons page of this stadium in the table in the upper right (Wikidata Infobox), the location is correct — Borisov, Borisov district, Minsk region, Belarus. And if the stadium was built in 1934, then information on the countries that existed on the territory of modern Belarus is indicated on the Wikimedia Commons. These countries and their parts were in the 1930s, but now they are no longer there. And on the page of the stadium on the Wikimedia Commons they are indicated, which misleads the reader. At the moment, all Belarusian stadiums are located on the territory of the Republic of Belarus and its administrative parts. -

    If this issue cannot be resolved with the administrators of the English Wikipedia, should I write the same thing to the administrators of the Wikimedia Commons? Just administrators from Belarus are not there, so I decided to write here first. --Football Beetle (talk) 18:52, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    If this issue cannot be resolved with the administrators of the English Wikipedia, should I write the same thing to the administrators of the Wikimedia Commons? Just administrators from Belarus are not there, so I decided to write here first. --Football Beetle (talk) 18:52, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    It doesn't look like you need an administrator at all, just go to the wikidata entry and make the improvement by editing it. Even if these were pages and values here on the English Wikipedia, "administrators" don't have any special authority over "content", anyone is welcome to make productive content updates at any time. — xaosflux Talk 18:58, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    A simple example. I recently edited an article Traktor Stadium, made the necessary changes about the location here wikidata:Q2464927, but in Wikidata Infobox here commons:Category:Traktar Stadium it is not written LOCATION - MINSK, BELARUS, but it is written Minsk, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic, Lithuanian–Belorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. Why? --Football Beetle (talk) 19:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -

    Now is the year 2019, not the 1950s. The indicated information is outdated and does not correspond to reality. This is the same if you write about the stadiums in Germany built in the 1930s on the Wikimedia Commons: LOCATION - BERLIN, THIRD REICH, instead of Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany. --Football Beetle (talk) 19:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    It doesn't look like you need an administrator at all, just go to the wikidata entry and make the improvement by editing it. Even if these were pages and values here on the English Wikipedia, "administrators" don't have any special authority over "content", anyone is welcome to make productive content updates at any time. — xaosflux Talk 18:58, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    A simple example. I recently edited an article Traktor Stadium, made the necessary changes about the location here wikidata:Q2464927, but in Wikidata Infobox here commons:Category:Traktar Stadium it is not written LOCATION - MINSK, BELARUS, but it is written Minsk, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic, Lithuanian–Belorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. Why? --Football Beetle (talk) 19:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Now is the year 2019, not the 1950s. The indicated information is outdated and does not correspond to reality. This is the same if you write about the stadiums in Germany built in the 1930s on the Wikimedia Commons: LOCATION - BERLIN, THIRD REICH, instead of Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany. --Football Beetle (talk) 19:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Football Beetle: well that's quite a complicated set of templates they have going on over there. Your issue has nothing at all to do with the English Wikipedia, for technical assistance at Commons you can follow up at: Commons:Village pump/Technical. — xaosflux Talk 19:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks for finding the right link commons:Category:Dynama Stadium, Minsk instead of the false links posted by the OP. It's not that easy to make the wanted change. Dinamo Stadium (Minsk) (Q1130487) says inception 1934 (when the stadium was built in Minsk). Minsk (Q2280) specifies "located in the administrative territorial entity" for Minsk at different times, e.g. "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic" from 1930 to 1938. commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox apparently combines the construction year and correct location data for that year to say that the stadium is in the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. For a currently used facility like a stadium, it would be best to ignore the construction year and give the current location, but this choice may be hard to figure out for a template. I don't know how a user can fix it for this page without deleting the information in Minsk (Q2280) about where Minsk was located in the past. Don't do that. Such information has many other uses. This is really an issue for commons:Template talk:Wikidata Infobox and not the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Was just trying to unravel commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox/core - they could possibly add some more parameters to accept a "use date" to feed in to that beast of a template! — xaosflux Talk 19:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Thanks for answers! I'll start all over again in the discussion of the template commons:Template talk:Wikidata Infobox. --Football Beetle (talk) 19:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    @Football Beetle: well that's quite a complicated set of templates they have going on over there. Your issue has nothing at all to do with the English Wikipedia, for technical assistance at Commons you can follow up at: Commons:Village pump/Technical. — xaosflux Talk 19:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks for finding the right link commons:Category:Dynama Stadium, Minsk instead of the false links posted by the OP. It's not that easy to make the wanted change. Dinamo Stadium (Minsk) (Q1130487) says inception 1934 (when the stadium was built in Minsk). Minsk (Q2280) specifies "located in the administrative territorial entity" for Minsk at different times, e.g. "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic" from 1930 to 1938. commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox apparently combines the construction year and correct location data for that year to say that the stadium is in the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. For a currently used facility like a stadium, it would be best to ignore the construction year and give the current location, but this choice may be hard to figure out for a template. I don't know how a user can fix it for this page without deleting the information in Minsk (Q2280) about where Minsk was located in the past. Don't do that. Such information has many other uses. This is really an issue for commons:Template talk:Wikidata Infobox and not the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Was just trying to unravel commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox/core - they could possibly add some more parameters to accept a "use date" to feed in to that beast of a template! — xaosflux Talk 19:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Thanks for answers! I'll start all over again in the discussion of the template commons:Template talk:Wikidata Infobox. --Football Beetle (talk) 19:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Is there an IsOnPage magicword/function/whatever thing?

    What I'm wondering about is if we have something that parses the current page, and returns and output based on it. For example, we can have @@ -2849,20 +2849,20 @@ I would like to draw the attention of Wikipedia administrators one inaccuracy in

    Warning: This page calls Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts which causes a template loop (an infinite recursive call).
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    So I'm trying to find a way to do that without angering the server gods. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:35, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    So I'm trying to find a way to do that without angering the server gods. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:35, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Headbomb: this can be done using Lua. Create a mw.title object with the current page name, then the getContent() function on it would return the page content. SD0001 (talk) 08:44, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Put a <noinclude> tag pair around it. —Cryptic 08:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    ahhh, that's definitely the simpler option! SD0001 (talk) 09:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    @Cryptic: brilliant! Now to remember how to transclude noinclude tags... I have an example somewhere. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Cryptic and SD0001:, just created {{String on page}} and {{Count on page}}. Feel free to optimize if you know how. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:15, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    @Headbomb: this can be done using Lua. Create a mw.title object with the current page name, then the getContent() function on it would return the page content. SD0001 (talk) 08:44, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Put a <noinclude> tag pair around it. —Cryptic 08:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    ahhh, that's definitely the simpler option! SD0001 (talk) 09:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    @Cryptic: brilliant! Now to remember how to transclude noinclude tags... I have an example somewhere. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Cryptic and SD0001:, just created {{String on page}} and {{Count on page}}. Feel free to optimize if you know how. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:15, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Or implement these nesting noinclude tags correctly. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:38, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    If anyone has an idea on how to circumvent Template:String on page#Limitations/Template:Count on page#Limitations, please feel free to implement that! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:09, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Or implement these nesting noinclude tags correctly. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:38, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    If anyone has an idea on how to circumvent Template:String on page#Limitations/Template:Count on page#Limitations, please feel free to implement that! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:09, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    Weird redirect error

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    See discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 22#Fernando Zor????; there's something weird going on with this redirect and it seems a bit beyond the scope of RfD. Any ideas? PC78 (talk) 01:27, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    See discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 August 22#Fernando Zor????; there's something weird going on with this redirect and it seems a bit beyond the scope of RfD. Any ideas? PC78 (talk) 01:27, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Difficulties with SUL on Ipad

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    Before I go to Phabricator, may be someone experienced a similar problem or at least known on which side the problem is. I usually work on laptop, and there I am logged in all the time (I choose the option to log in for 180 days). On my Ipad, I used to be logged on all the time as well. Sometimes it behaved strangely: For example, a year ago I found myself in a situation when I was logged in the English Wikipedia but was not logged in for example on Commons; then I logged in to Commons as well and all was fine. A week ago, my Ipad installed an automatic update which presumably included a new version of Safari. I found myself logged out. I tried to log in and found that I can log in just into one project, but if I then open a new window with any Wikimedia project, I am not logged in. I can login there as well, but then the next window is not logged in and so on. Moreover, if I am logged in say to the English Wikipedia I can work all right (well, making sure I never backtrack to the login screen). However, after two days, I find myself not logged in. Every time I log in I tick the "180 days" option. I would appreciate any comments. Thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +

    Before I go to Phabricator, may be someone experienced a similar problem or at least known on which side the problem is. I usually work on laptop, and there I am logged in all the time (I choose the option to log in for 180 days). On my Ipad, I used to be logged on all the time as well. Sometimes it behaved strangely: For example, a year ago I found myself in a situation when I was logged in the English Wikipedia but was not logged in for example on Commons; then I logged in to Commons as well and all was fine. A week ago, my Ipad installed an automatic update which presumably included a new version of Safari. I found myself logged out. I tried to log in and found that I can log in just into one project, but if I then open a new window with any Wikimedia project, I am not logged in. I can login there as well, but then the next window is not logged in and so on. Moreover, if I am logged in say to the English Wikipedia I can work all right (well, making sure I never backtrack to the login screen). However, after two days, I find myself not logged in. Every time I log in I tick the "180 days" option. I would appreciate any comments. Thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Ymblanter: what version of your browser are you using? It sounds like you are having a cookie handling problem with your browser. Try clearing all cookies from your browser and trying again. — xaosflux Talk 13:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Ymblanter, do you have private browsing mode on ? That setting is bottom left of your tab selector. See here —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    Thanks to both of you. In my case, Safari is indeed black. I will get back home and try switching off the private browsing.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:44, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] -
    It was indeed private browsing mode which caused issues, thanks again.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:35, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Ymblanter: what version of your browser are you using? It sounds like you are having a cookie handling problem with your browser. Try clearing all cookies from your browser and trying again. — xaosflux Talk 13:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Ymblanter, do you have private browsing mode on ? That setting is bottom left of your tab selector. See here —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    Thanks to both of you. In my case, Safari is indeed black. I will get back home and try switching off the private browsing.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:44, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply] +
    It was indeed private browsing mode which caused issues, thanks again.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:35, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    suppression de ce TI --LPLT [discu] 30 mars 2009 à 17:40 (CEST)[répondre] +
    Aucune réaction en 7j, aucun sourcage ---> suppression de ce TI --LPLT [discu] 30 mars 2009 à 17:40 (CEST)[répondre]

    Positionnement politique

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    Le même auteur (Despointes (d · c · b)) s'était également fendu d'un beau WP:TI non sourcé sur le positionnement politique du Monde. Sans références apportées rapidement, ce chapitre sera revu en profondeur.--LPLT [discu] 2 avril 2009 à 09:55 (CEST)[répondre] +

    Le même auteur (Despointes (d · c · b)) s'était également fendu d'un beau WP:TI non sourcé sur le positionnement politique du Monde. Sans références apportées rapidement, ce chapitre sera revu en profondeur.--LPLT [discu] 2 avril 2009 à 09:55 (CEST)[répondre]

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    Page semi-protégée ce jour. J'ai pris contact avec l'initiateur de l'appel (qui est dans la même université que moi) afin de lui expliquer en quoi son invitation à modifier l'article était vouée à l'échec car ne correspondant pas aux règles de Wikipédia. J'espère pouvoir rapidement lever la semi-protection. -- Bokken | 木刀 3 avril 2009 à 11:11 (CEST)[répondre]
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    Page semi-protégée ce jour. J'ai pris contact avec l'initiateur de l'appel (qui est dans la même université que moi) afin de lui expliquer en quoi son invitation à modifier l'article était vouée à l'échec car ne correspondant pas aux règles de Wikipédia. J'espère pouvoir rapidement lever la semi-protection. -- Bokken | 木刀 3 avril 2009 à 11:11 (CEST)[répondre]

    "Les informations sont traitées avec rigueur, dans le style de la presse anglo-saxonne qui sépare nettement l'information du commentaire."

    J'ai supprimé cette phrase qui est démentie aujourd'hui par l'analyse sociologique très rigoureusement conduite par Henri Maler, Olivier Poche et publiée sur le site de l'observatoire des médias Acrimed sous le titre "Le Monde et le mouvement universitaire" le 18 mars 2009 : http://www.acrimed.org/article3102.html -

    --Gegejv (d) 3 avril 2009 à 22:10 (CEST)[répondre] +

    --Gegejv (d) 3 avril 2009 à 22:10 (CEST)[répondre]

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    En tout état de cause, cette affirmation doit être attribuée et sourcée. Mogador ✉ 4 avril 2009 à 14:14 (CEST)[répondre]
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    En tout état de cause, cette affirmation doit être attribuée et sourcée. Mogador ✉ 4 avril 2009 à 14:14 (CEST)[répondre]

    «Considéré par certains»→ Qui ?

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    Qui considère ce journal comme le quotidien de référence ? --pixeltoo (discuter) 22 avril 2009 à 13:05 (CEST)[répondre] +

    Qui considère ce journal comme le quotidien de référence ? --pixeltoo (discuter) 22 avril 2009 à 13:05 (CEST)[répondre]

    c'est le journal de référence français à l'étranger, c'est pas pour rien que Wikileaks a donné l'exclu au Monde.... Plus sérieusement, il y a el Pais, le corriere della serra, le guardian et le Monde pour la France.... C'est aussi le plus lu. Je pense donc que pour tout le monde c'est le journal de référence d'autant plus qu'il ne s'adresse pas à un courant politique en particulier (à l'inverse de la plupart des autres quotidiens)


    @@ -244,56 +244,56 @@ max (passablement énervé de voir la notice, écrite en mauvais français, embr

    Pertinence de la liste des journalistes actuels du Monde

    Bonjour,

    Cette liste a-t-elle un réel apport encyclopédique en tant que liste ? Parce que je ne suis pas convaincu qu'individuellement, chacun des journalistes mentionnés satisfasse WP:CAA. -

    Amicalement — Arkanosis ✉ 2 janvier 2010 à 13:01 (CET)[répondre] +

    Amicalement — Arkanosis ✉ 2 janvier 2010 à 13:01 (CET)[répondre]

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    Il me semble que cette liste est dénuée d'apport proprement encyclopédique (faute de commentaire sourcé à en faire), et donc ressort de la base de données. À virer, donc. -- Bokken | 木刀 2 janvier 2010 à 14:18 (CET)[répondre] -
    Je suis d'accord avec Bokken. La liste des anciens journalistes ne me paraît pas pertinente non plus. Elle n'apporte pas de compréhension à ce qu'est le journal. --Alastair (d) 26 février 2011 à 15:23 (CET)[répondre] -
    Je ne suis pas un gros contributeur sur cette page, mais AMHA cette liste fait tâche. À transférer sur une page dédiée, avec comme objectif de lister pour chaque journaliste des dates de début et fin de carrière au Monde et les rubriques tenues ? Azoée (d) 28 février 2011 à 10:33 (CET)[répondre] +
    Il me semble que cette liste est dénuée d'apport proprement encyclopédique (faute de commentaire sourcé à en faire), et donc ressort de la base de données. À virer, donc. -- Bokken | 木刀 2 janvier 2010 à 14:18 (CET)[répondre] +
    Je suis d'accord avec Bokken. La liste des anciens journalistes ne me paraît pas pertinente non plus. Elle n'apporte pas de compréhension à ce qu'est le journal. --Alastair (d) 26 février 2011 à 15:23 (CET)[répondre] +
    Je ne suis pas un gros contributeur sur cette page, mais AMHA cette liste fait tâche. À transférer sur une page dédiée, avec comme objectif de lister pour chaque journaliste des dates de début et fin de carrière au Monde et les rubriques tenues ? Azoée (d) 28 février 2011 à 10:33 (CET)[répondre]
    Cette tache est je pense impossible... Il faudrait à la limite une liste des chefs de rubrique actualisée régulièrement (parce que dans la presse, il y a du turn over).... Et je pense qu'une liste des célèbres anciens du Monde serait plus pertinent

    Propriétaire(s) en juillet 2010 ?

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    J'ai cru bon de mettre à jour l'infobox suite au récent rachat du Monde par le trio Bergé-Pigasse-Niel. Ai-je bien fait ? Que devient La Vie-Le Monde dans tout ça ? DocteurCosmos (d) 7 juillet 2010 à 16:56 (CEST)[répondre] +

    J'ai cru bon de mettre à jour l'infobox suite au récent rachat du Monde par le trio Bergé-Pigasse-Niel. Ai-je bien fait ? Que devient La Vie-Le Monde dans tout ça ? DocteurCosmos (d) 7 juillet 2010 à 16:56 (CEST)[répondre]

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    Est-ce entériné d'un point de vue légal ? Je pense que tout cela n'en est encore qu'au stade des dossiers--LPLT [discu] 7 juillet 2010 à 16:58 (CEST)[répondre] -
    Après recherche, il s'avère que le trio devient actionnaire majoritaire de La Vie-Le Monde et que les négociations en cours ne devraient aboutir qu'en septembre. DocteurCosmos (d) 8 juillet 2010 à 15:52 (CEST)[répondre] -
    Oui j'ai oublié d'y revenir, la proposition est à l'étude pour un accord définitif devant etre trouvé avantle 30 sept (3 mois après la cloture des candidatures). En conséquence il est préférable de revenir à la version antérieure jusque là. Rien n'est signé.--LPLT [discu] 8 juillet 2010 à 16:11 (CEST)[répondre]
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    Est-ce entériné d'un point de vue légal ? Je pense que tout cela n'en est encore qu'au stade des dossiers--LPLT [discu] 7 juillet 2010 à 16:58 (CEST)[répondre] +
    Après recherche, il s'avère que le trio devient actionnaire majoritaire de La Vie-Le Monde et que les négociations en cours ne devraient aboutir qu'en septembre. DocteurCosmos (d) 8 juillet 2010 à 15:52 (CEST)[répondre] +
    Oui j'ai oublié d'y revenir, la proposition est à l'étude pour un accord définitif devant etre trouvé avantle 30 sept (3 mois après la cloture des candidatures). En conséquence il est préférable de revenir à la version antérieure jusque là. Rien n'est signé.--LPLT [discu] 8 juillet 2010 à 16:11 (CEST)[répondre]

    La recapitalisation de 2010 et tous les changements de têtes, inhérents, montrent bien que le journal n'est plus indépendant... ou, en tout cas, nettement moins qu'il y a 50 ou même 30 ans.

    Comment résumer/traduire ça, simplement et clairement - notamment dans l'intro - sans 'leurrer' le lecteur lambda ?

    --Polofrfr (d) 16 décembre 2010 à 22:56 (CET) ->> En mentionnant cette recapitalisation, qui sont les nouveaux propriétaires . Au lecteur de se faire son opinion sur l'indépendance du journal[répondre] +>> En mentionnant cette recapitalisation, qui sont les nouveaux propriétaires . Au lecteur de se faire son opinion sur l'indépendance du journal[répondre]

    diffusion

    Juste pour signaler des incohérences au niveau des chiffres : dans cet article on a un tableau de 1999 à 2009, de 1999 à 2005 il correspond à un autre tableau dans l'article http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presse_en_France, mais à partir de 2006 grosse divergence : on passe de 350 039 à 316 851 ou 358 655 c'est selon, là où ça devient ridicule c'est qu'en suivant la source indiquée par un des tableaux (http://www.ojd.com/adherent/3147) apparemment ça serait 354 316.

    Ou alors il y a des confusions entre les diffusions (payée/france payée) auquel cas il faudrait peut-être se décider pour savoir lequel doit être retenu.

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    Ça veut dire quoi France payée et payée, la légende ne l’indique pas ? Azoée (d) 7 avril 2011 à 20:56 (CEST)[répondre] -
    y a (tjrs eu) un certains nombre d'ex. gratuits, suffisant pour que l'OJD distingue entre diffusion payée ou non--Bibliorock (d) 8 avril 2011 à 17:52 (CEST)[répondre] -
    Et la colonne "payée", c'est la diffusion gratuite ? ?? Azoée (d) 9 avril 2011 à 11:46 (CEST)[répondre]
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    Ça veut dire quoi France payée et payée, la légende ne l’indique pas ? Azoée (d) 7 avril 2011 à 20:56 (CEST)[répondre] +
    y a (tjrs eu) un certains nombre d'ex. gratuits, suffisant pour que l'OJD distingue entre diffusion payée ou non--Bibliorock (d) 8 avril 2011 à 17:52 (CEST)[répondre] +
    Et la colonne "payée", c'est la diffusion gratuite ? ?? Azoée (d) 9 avril 2011 à 11:46 (CEST)[répondre]

    Hervé Morin journaliste ?

    Quelle ne fut pas ma surprise lorsque j'ai vue que Hervé Morin fait partie des journalistes actuel du journal Le Monde, j'aurais aimé avoir confirmation de cette information, de mon coté j'ai cherché, et je n'ai rien trouvé ... Donc si personne à de réponse, il faudrais l'enlever de la liste.

    Bonjour,
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    En fait, ce n'est pas le même Hervé Morin : [2]. Cdlt, — Jules [Discuter] 11 mars 2012 à 10:51 (CET)[répondre]
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    En fait, ce n'est pas le même Hervé Morin : [2]. Cdlt, — Jules [Discuter] 11 mars 2012 à 10:51 (CET)[répondre]

    Khmers rouges

    Le Monde n'a sûrement pas titré « Phnom Penh libérée » le 17 avril 1975. On peut voir l'emission de ce jour ici: http://www.fonjallaz.net/Communisme/Cambodge/GC-ONU/17-avril-1975.html - et les titres des articles sont beaucoup plus neutres. Même si quelques-uns des auteurs ont écrit dans un ton très positive du mouvement des Khmers rouges et de leur « révolution », ce formulation rend surtout une fausse image du journal à cette époque. Donc je vais l'écarter. Veuillez excuser mon français, je suis allemand ;) 18 novembre 2012 à 02:14 (CET) -

    D'accord, la date est erronée, mais je l'ai vu, Le Monde a bien titré « Phnom Penh libérée » en avril, mais peut-être pas le 17. Pcouderc (discuter) 16 mai 2014 à 23:30 (CEST)[répondre] +

    D'accord, la date est erronée, mais je l'ai vu, Le Monde a bien titré « Phnom Penh libérée » en avril, mais peut-être pas le 17. Pcouderc (discuter) 16 mai 2014 à 23:30 (CEST)[répondre]

    Chronologie

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    Il n'y a pas de règles noir sur blanc en la matière, mais il est assez évident que les listes à puce, et autres chronologies ne répondent pas aux standards encyclopédiques, et sont relativement déconseillées sur WP (faut que je retrouve l'indication précise). Les articles labellisés (AdQ et BA) n'en n'ont pas, car le contenu se doit d'être rédigé (phrase), organisé, synthétisé (séparation de l'anecdotique de l'essentiel), toute chose qui répond plus d'un travail encyclopédique. D'où l'incitation vers un recyclage de cette section chronologie.-- LPLT [discu] 3 mars 2013 à 22:02 (CET)[répondre] +

    Il n'y a pas de règles noir sur blanc en la matière, mais il est assez évident que les listes à puce, et autres chronologies ne répondent pas aux standards encyclopédiques, et sont relativement déconseillées sur WP (faut que je retrouve l'indication précise). Les articles labellisés (AdQ et BA) n'en n'ont pas, car le contenu se doit d'être rédigé (phrase), organisé, synthétisé (séparation de l'anecdotique de l'essentiel), toute chose qui répond plus d'un travail encyclopédique. D'où l'incitation vers un recyclage de cette section chronologie.-- LPLT [discu] 3 mars 2013 à 22:02 (CET)[répondre]

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    D'où le Modèle:À délister.-- LPLT [discu] 3 mars 2013 à 22:07 (CET)[répondre] -
    Je plussoie Clin d'œil. — Jules Discuter 3 mars 2013 à 22:08 (CET)[répondre] -
    Je moinssoie... Certes, LPLT a raison dans l'absolu, mais ici, c'est une chronologie rappelant les grandes dates du journal, alors comment faire autrement ? Comment rédiger la même chose "avec des phrases" en reprenant les dates à chaque fois ? Ce serait il me semble une infâme bouillie. Mais bon, si quelqu'un veut s'y coller. Je ne vois toutefois pas en quoi cela constituerait une quelconque amélioration concernant ce chapitre particulier Jmex (♫) 4 mars 2013 à 07:32 (CET)[répondre] -
    Je moinssoie également : dans le cadre d’une chronologie, la présentation la plus synthétique et la plus organisée est celle de la liste à puce. D’ailleurs voir les articles 1, 2, 3, 4... 1046 jusqu’à nos jours. Azoée (d) 4 mars 2013 à 14:11 (CET)[répondre] -
    Certainement pas : faire des phrases (qui je le rappelle = sujet + verbe + complément) et contextualiser est un impératif encyclopédique évident. Quant à comparer cela avec une page sur des dates... il n'y a aucune pertinence dans le parallèle. Les pages/section historiques des articles labellisés ne sont pas une « infâme bouillie » ; drôle de perspective et de vision encyclopédique.-- LPLT [discu] 4 mars 2013 à 17:38 (CET)[répondre]
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    Bonsoir à tous, je me lance dans la réécriture de ladite liste à puce. N'hésitez pas à donner un coup de main, notamment pour la recontextualisation. --Quadrige (d) 28 mars 2013 à 00:28 (CET)[répondre] +

    D'où le Modèle:À délister.-- LPLT [discu] 3 mars 2013 à 22:07 (CET)[répondre] +
    Je plussoie Clin d'œil. — Jules Discuter 3 mars 2013 à 22:08 (CET)[répondre] +
    Je moinssoie... Certes, LPLT a raison dans l'absolu, mais ici, c'est une chronologie rappelant les grandes dates du journal, alors comment faire autrement ? Comment rédiger la même chose "avec des phrases" en reprenant les dates à chaque fois ? Ce serait il me semble une infâme bouillie. Mais bon, si quelqu'un veut s'y coller. Je ne vois toutefois pas en quoi cela constituerait une quelconque amélioration concernant ce chapitre particulier Jmex (♫) 4 mars 2013 à 07:32 (CET)[répondre] +
    Je moinssoie également : dans le cadre d’une chronologie, la présentation la plus synthétique et la plus organisée est celle de la liste à puce. D’ailleurs voir les articles 1, 2, 3, 4... 1046 jusqu’à nos jours. Azoée (d) 4 mars 2013 à 14:11 (CET)[répondre] +
    Certainement pas : faire des phrases (qui je le rappelle = sujet + verbe + complément) et contextualiser est un impératif encyclopédique évident. Quant à comparer cela avec une page sur des dates... il n'y a aucune pertinence dans le parallèle. Les pages/section historiques des articles labellisés ne sont pas une « infâme bouillie » ; drôle de perspective et de vision encyclopédique.-- LPLT [discu] 4 mars 2013 à 17:38 (CET)[répondre]
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    Bonsoir à tous, je me lance dans la réécriture de ladite liste à puce. N'hésitez pas à donner un coup de main, notamment pour la recontextualisation. --Quadrige (d) 28 mars 2013 à 00:28 (CET)[répondre]

    Liste des jourrnalistes du Monde

    Bonjour, -

    Ne pourrait-on pas deplacer ces deux listes (nouveaux[Quand ?] et anciens), qui n'ont pas d'interret dans cet article et le surcharge inutilement, vers un nouvel article Liste des jourrnalistes du Monde qui d'ailleurs pourrait etre l'{{article principal}} de Catégorie:Journaliste du Monde. Je pourrais le faire si vous voulez. Bonne journée. CaptainHaddock BlaBla 28 mars 2013 à 10:28 (CET)[répondre] +

    Ne pourrait-on pas deplacer ces deux listes (nouveaux[Quand ?] et anciens), qui n'ont pas d'interret dans cet article et le surcharge inutilement, vers un nouvel article Liste des jourrnalistes du Monde qui d'ailleurs pourrait etre l'{{article principal}} de Catégorie:Journaliste du Monde. Je pourrais le faire si vous voulez. Bonne journée. CaptainHaddock BlaBla 28 mars 2013 à 10:28 (CET)[répondre]

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    Très bonne idée. Je le fais maintenant, ça allégera l'article. --Quadrige (d) 28 mars 2013 à 11:14 (CET)[répondre]
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    Très bonne idée. Je le fais maintenant, ça allégera l'article. --Quadrige (d) 28 mars 2013 à 11:14 (CET)[répondre]

    Explication à la suite de 3RR à propos de l'intro

    S'agissant de la référence apportée. Premièrement elle n'est pas nouvelle, elle apparaît déjà dans l'article, un doublon a été effectué. Deuxièmement, je réitère mon argument, on ne peut pas se baser sur un document émanant du journal pour certifier qu'il la respecte, ça n'est pas une source convenable. @@ -304,16 +304,16 @@ En effet, le journal n'est pas une personne à part entière, a connu plusieurs

    Je souhaite préciser au passage que mon intention est simplement de contribuer à l'amélioration de la qualité de l'article. Merci de me montrer en quoi je me trompe si tel est le cas, nul n'est infaillible. J'espère que le bandeau disparaîtra vite en tout cas car il ne me semble pas qu'il y ait de désaccord profond :) ---Laurent Verset (discuter) 15 novembre 2013 à 00:19 (CET)[répondre] +--Laurent Verset (discuter) 15 novembre 2013 à 00:19 (CET)[répondre]

    Bonjour, il est évident qu'une source d'information secondaire est nécessaire. Ce n'est pas la déclaration d'intention qui importe mais la réalité. L'affirmation « Habitué à recouper ses informations » a, de plus, été maintes fois contredite dans les faits (ici un exemple parmi tant d'autres : Médias culpa (3) : Il faut de tout pour faire Le Monde et tient davantage de l'image d'Épinal du journal dit "de référence" qu'autre chose. Cordialement. Thontep (d) 15 novembre 2013 à 7:49 (CET)
    La vérification des informations était une démarche indispensable prônée par le créateur du journal, Hubert Beuve-Méry. Je vois difficilement quel genre de source, que l'on pourrait considérer comme impartiale, peut nous confirmer cette donnée. -
    Je ne crois pas que ça soit si difficile que ça à confirmer, je pense qu'il existe des observateurs des médias qui évaluent leur qualité journalistique. Mais je crois que la solution est plus à chercher du côté de l'angle sous lequel les choses sont présentés. Je propose que l'on indique simplement que "La ligne éditoriale du journal prône le respect de principe d'éthique et de déontologie, en particulier concernant la recoupe des informations et la protection des sources d'information des journalistes.", en s'appuyant sur la référence que tu proposes pour la charte. Je note au passage que mes arguments ne semblent pas avoir été réfutés dans ta réponse. --Laurent Verset (discuter) 15 novembre 2013 à 22:13 (CET)[répondre]
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    Thontep, tu nous propose un contre-exemple. Une affaire qui remonte à 2004, ça me semble bien maigre par rapport au nombre d'articles publiés quotidiennement. On pourrait faire un parallèle avec WP : beaucoup critiquent le fait que n'importe qui peut modifier n'importe comment notre encyclopédie, cela veut-il dire que toutes les contributions sont du vandalisme ? De plus, Woodstein nous démontre dans ce livre (et le film qui en est tiré) que la vérification des informations n’empêche pas toujours les erreurs. Gyrostat - DitS'Cuté 15 novembre 2013 à 21:19 (CET)[répondre] -
    D'accord Laurent Verset, ta phrase me semble correcte. Concernant la protection des sources, je ne sais pas trop quoi en penser. Gyrostat - DitS'Cuté 15 novembre 2013 à 22:37 (CET)[répondre]
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    Je ne crois pas que ça soit si difficile que ça à confirmer, je pense qu'il existe des observateurs des médias qui évaluent leur qualité journalistique. Mais je crois que la solution est plus à chercher du côté de l'angle sous lequel les choses sont présentés. Je propose que l'on indique simplement que "La ligne éditoriale du journal prône le respect de principe d'éthique et de déontologie, en particulier concernant la recoupe des informations et la protection des sources d'information des journalistes.", en s'appuyant sur la référence que tu proposes pour la charte. Je note au passage que mes arguments ne semblent pas avoir été réfutés dans ta réponse. --Laurent Verset (discuter) 15 novembre 2013 à 22:13 (CET)[répondre]
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    Thontep, tu nous propose un contre-exemple. Une affaire qui remonte à 2004, ça me semble bien maigre par rapport au nombre d'articles publiés quotidiennement. On pourrait faire un parallèle avec WP : beaucoup critiquent le fait que n'importe qui peut modifier n'importe comment notre encyclopédie, cela veut-il dire que toutes les contributions sont du vandalisme ? De plus, Woodstein nous démontre dans ce livre (et le film qui en est tiré) que la vérification des informations n’empêche pas toujours les erreurs. Gyrostat - DitS'Cuté 15 novembre 2013 à 21:19 (CET)[répondre] +
    D'accord Laurent Verset, ta phrase me semble correcte. Concernant la protection des sources, je ne sais pas trop quoi en penser. Gyrostat - DitS'Cuté 15 novembre 2013 à 22:37 (CET)[répondre]

    Recoupe des sources : 2e passe

    L'affaire soulevée par Charlie-Hebdo sur la déclaration de patrimoine de Manuel Valls justifie, à mon sens, la suppression de la phrase bateau sur le recoupement ( et non « la recoupe ») des sources. -

    Dans cet article de 2013, Le Monde reprend les informations publiées par les ministres sur leur patrimoine, avec des petits commentaires... alors qu'une simple visite au cadastre a permis à Charlie-Hebdo d'émettre de sérieux doutes sur l'honnêteté du ministre (cela croisé avec un simple calcul sur ses revenus : 7000 € de revenu mensuel pendant dix ans = 840 000 €, et il rembourse encore un emprunt pour son appartement à 315 000 €). Bref, il y avait deux moyens simples de mettre en doute cette information, et Le Monde ne l'a pas fait. azoée ¿∞? 13 octobre 2014 à 12:11 (CEST)[répondre] +

    Dans cet article de 2013, Le Monde reprend les informations publiées par les ministres sur leur patrimoine, avec des petits commentaires... alors qu'une simple visite au cadastre a permis à Charlie-Hebdo d'émettre de sérieux doutes sur l'honnêteté du ministre (cela croisé avec un simple calcul sur ses revenus : 7000 € de revenu mensuel pendant dix ans = 840 000 €, et il rembourse encore un emprunt pour son appartement à 315 000 €). Bref, il y avait deux moyens simples de mettre en doute cette information, et Le Monde ne l'a pas fait. azoée ¿∞? 13 octobre 2014 à 12:11 (CEST)[répondre]

    Déséquilibre

    Cet article est déséquilibré. Il parle principalement des polémiques du "Monde" des années 2000, alors qu'à cette époque, Le Monde est déjà presque mort, tandis que son heure de gloire est la IVeme République et les débuts de la Veme, du temps d'Hubert Beuve-Méry, et cette époque est expédiée dans l'article. @@ -321,27 +321,27 @@ J'espère que le bandeau disparaîtra vite en tout cas car il ne me semble pas q En effet, cet article est globalement Excessivement critique et donne l'impression d'une succession de polémiques entourant le journal. Au lieu d'insister sur la volonté d'objectivité et de neutralité idéologique, tout en accordant la parole aux différents courants, tribunes ou éditoriaux signés et par conséquent orientés. Le fait qu'une poignée de journalistes soient en désaccord avec leur directeur tous les 4 matins fait partie de la vie de toute publication et plutôt un signe de vitalité. L'article Wikipedia évoque plutot une succession de censures et de partis pris personnels injustifiés. ---2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB (discuter) 11 janvier 2015 à 11:32 (CET)A.C.[répondre] +--2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB (discuter) 11 janvier 2015 à 11:32 (CET)A.C.[répondre]

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    On attend une réaction similaire sur la PdD de l'article du Figaro. Celette (discuter) 12 janvier 2015 à 21:47 (CET)[répondre]
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    On attend une réaction similaire sur la PdD de l'article du Figaro. Celette (discuter) 12 janvier 2015 à 21:47 (CET)[répondre]

    Histoire & Civilisations

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    @ Notron : Histoire National Geographic devenant Histoire & Civilisations n'est pas édité par Le MOnde, lequel ne fait que présenter la chose, comme pour les 30 volumes parus entre janvier et août. La maîtrise éditoriale est et a toujours été assurée par la filiale française du groupe RBA (ca), basé à Barcelone, avec de simples partenariats avec National Geographic et Le MOnde. Hégésippe (discuter) [opérateur] 25 septembre 2014 à 08:08 (CEST)[répondre] +

    @ Notron : Histoire National Geographic devenant Histoire & Civilisations n'est pas édité par Le MOnde, lequel ne fait que présenter la chose, comme pour les 30 volumes parus entre janvier et août. La maîtrise éditoriale est et a toujours été assurée par la filiale française du groupe RBA (ca), basé à Barcelone, avec de simples partenariats avec National Geographic et Le MOnde. Hégésippe (discuter) [opérateur] 25 septembre 2014 à 08:08 (CEST)[répondre]

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    Il n'est pas incongrus d'y faire référence sur la page consacrée au Monde, quand le magazine s'appel Le Monde National Geographic Histoire & Civilisations il conserve le partenariat de National Geographic et s'ajoute le partenariat du Monde. C'est coédité sous forme de partenariat entre Le Monde et National Geographic c'est réalisé par les équipes RBA France (basée à Paris, 105, avenue Raymond Poincaré), filiale française de Groupe RBA (es) dont la maison mère est à Barcelone. Le Monde à créé une rubrique Histoire & Civilisations sur son site.--Notron (discuter) 2 octobre 2014 à 01:05 (CEST)[répondre] -
    +1 avec Notron (d · c · b) : la présentation assume complètement une responsabilité éditoriale (« Une collection " Le Monde " », « ce volume de notre collection », etc.). Cela dit,si ces infos encombrent trop cet article, il est possible de créer un article Groupe Le Monde ou Éditions Le Monde. azoée ¿∞? 2 octobre 2014 à 09:32 (CEST)[répondre]
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    Il n'est pas incongrus d'y faire référence sur la page consacrée au Monde, quand le magazine s'appel Le Monde National Geographic Histoire & Civilisations il conserve le partenariat de National Geographic et s'ajoute le partenariat du Monde. C'est coédité sous forme de partenariat entre Le Monde et National Geographic c'est réalisé par les équipes RBA France (basée à Paris, 105, avenue Raymond Poincaré), filiale française de Groupe RBA (es) dont la maison mère est à Barcelone. Le Monde à créé une rubrique Histoire & Civilisations sur son site.--Notron (discuter) 2 octobre 2014 à 01:05 (CEST)[répondre] +
    +1 avec Notron (d · c · b) : la présentation assume complètement une responsabilité éditoriale (« Une collection " Le Monde " », « ce volume de notre collection », etc.). Cela dit,si ces infos encombrent trop cet article, il est possible de créer un article Groupe Le Monde ou Éditions Le Monde. azoée ¿∞? 2 octobre 2014 à 09:32 (CEST)[répondre]

    Fusion entre Le Monde et Le Monde interactif

    Discussion transférée depuis Wikipédia:Pages à fusionner
    Idem que pour la section précédente, et dans la lignée de Discussion:L'Équipe interactif/Suppression ; d’autant que Le Monde.fr redirige vers… Le Monde.

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    schlum =^.^= 31 mars 2016 à 11:06 (CEST)[répondre]

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    1. Pour --Krosian2B (discuter) 31 mars 2016 à 18:43 (CEST)[répondre]
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    2. Pour. Contrairement au cas du Figaro (voir mon avis ci-dessus), le terme Le Monde interactif semble bel et bien avoir existé, la redirection post-fusion semble donc cohérente. - Daxipedia - 達克斯百科 (discuter) 31 mars 2016 à 23:24 (CEST)[répondre]
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    3. Pour fusion possible car Le monde contient toutes les informations nécessaires qui sont abordées dans Le Monde interactif. CordialementApipo1907 jambo !!! 1 avril 2016 à 09:41 (CEST)[répondre]
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    4. Contre j'estime que le Monde interactif mérite d'avoir son article, lequel a un fort potentiel de développement vu l'importance que prennent les activités numériques pour ce vénérable journal. Jmex (♫) 4 avril 2016 à 17:30 (CEST)[répondre]
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    5. Pour, le deuxième est un article très confus, la séparation rajoute de la confusion. --Nouill 11 avril 2016 à 06:00 (CEST)[répondre]
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    Fait, presque rien à transférer. --Nouill 17 avril 2016 à 08:58 (CEST)[répondre]
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    1. Pour --Krosian2B (discuter) 31 mars 2016 à 18:43 (CEST)[répondre]
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    2. Pour. Contrairement au cas du Figaro (voir mon avis ci-dessus), le terme Le Monde interactif semble bel et bien avoir existé, la redirection post-fusion semble donc cohérente. - Daxipedia - 達克斯百科 (discuter) 31 mars 2016 à 23:24 (CEST)[répondre]
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    3. Pour fusion possible car Le monde contient toutes les informations nécessaires qui sont abordées dans Le Monde interactif. CordialementApipo1907 jambo !!! 1 avril 2016 à 09:41 (CEST)[répondre]
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    4. Contre j'estime que le Monde interactif mérite d'avoir son article, lequel a un fort potentiel de développement vu l'importance que prennent les activités numériques pour ce vénérable journal. Jmex (♫) 4 avril 2016 à 17:30 (CEST)[répondre]
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    5. Pour, le deuxième est un article très confus, la séparation rajoute de la confusion. --Nouill 11 avril 2016 à 06:00 (CEST)[répondre]
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    6. Pour la redirection. L'amateur d'aéroplanes (discuter) 14 avril 2016 à 08:30 (CEST)[répondre]
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    Fait, presque rien à transférer. --Nouill 17 avril 2016 à 08:58 (CEST)[répondre]

    Liens externes modifiés

    Bonjour aux contributeurs,

    Je viens de modifier 1 lien(s) externe(s) sur Le Monde. Prenez le temps de vérifier ma modification. Si vous avez des questions, ou que vous voulez que le bot ignore le lien ou la page complète, lisez cette FaQ pour de plus amples informations. J'ai fait les changements suivants : @@ -349,7 +349,7 @@ Idem que pour la section précédente, et dans la lignée de https://web.archive.org/web/20110521100349/http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gbKFMCGx0Gablzz4txvrzEvxgjFg a été ajoutée à http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gbKFMCGx0Gablzz4txvrzEvxgjFg

  • Ajout de la balise {{dead link}} à http://bigbangblog.net/article.php3?id_article=181

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    Cordialement.—InternetArchiveBot (Rapportez une erreur) 21 mars 2018 à 00:32 (CET)[répondre] +

    Cordialement.—InternetArchiveBot (Rapportez une erreur) 21 mars 2018 à 00:32 (CET)[répondre]

    Quotidien français « de référence »

    La source est insuffisante pour justifier la mention "Classé parmi les quotidiens français « de référence »", non ? @@ -362,21 +362,21 @@ Une fois l'anecdote acceptée ou refusée pour publication, la discussion est en (ceci est un message automatique du bot GhosterBot le 31 août 2019 à 21:45, sans bot flag)

    Déclaration partisane ???

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    @Salsero35 Pourriez vous être plus explicite sur ce qui empêche, d'un coup, que cette citation d'Ariane Chemin [3] issue d'un article de Pierre Péan paru dans le Le Monde Diplomatique figure dans l’article ? J'avoue ne pas comprendre. --J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 19 février 2020 à 18:08 (CET)[répondre] +

    @Salsero35 Pourriez vous être plus explicite sur ce qui empêche, d'un coup, que cette citation d'Ariane Chemin [3] issue d'un article de Pierre Péan paru dans le Le Monde Diplomatique figure dans l’article ? J'avoue ne pas comprendre. --J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 19 février 2020 à 18:08 (CET)[répondre]

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    Bonjour. Une journaliste qui émet un Pov sur son propre journal est une déclaration manquant d'indépendance et constitue une source primaire. Ce type de WP:POV est prohibé sur Wp. Salsero35 ☎ 22 février 2020 à 13:29 (CET)[répondre] -
    Toute source secondaire travaille à partir de sources primaires. On ne peut donc rejeter une source secondaire (ici le Monde diplomatique, Pierre Péan [4]) au prétexte qu'elle relaie dans une démonstration une source primaire. Mais je comprends la réticence de Salsero35. Pour une information de ce genre, il vaudrait mieux trouver une source secondaire centrée sur le sujet (Le Monde), au cas où, par exemple, il y ait des enquêtes d'initiative menées par ce journal sur d'autres sujets que les « affaires », puisque c'est ce dont parle Pierre Péan. --Baldurar (discuter) 22 février 2020 à 14:56 (CET)[répondre] -
    Il n’émet pas un POV sur son propre journal (ce qui n'est d'ailleurs plus le cas au moment où il a écrit ces lignes), il rapporte une citation d'Ariane Chemin non contestée par celle-ci à ma connaissance.--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 24 février 2020 à 09:26 (CET)[répondre] -
    Idem, une interview dans une source notoire (ici le monde diplo) n’est pas une source primaire. Son propre blog oui. Il faudrait rétablir en attribuant la déclaration et la source, si source contradictoire apparait on avisera mais ce n'est pas le cas. Mais Salsero si tu veux un bon gros TI à base de sources primaires, la partie “Articles et contributions extérieures sur la pédocriminalité”, qui mélange en plus homosexualité et pédophilie (le vieil amalgame), là il va falloir faire un sérieux ménage. Apollofox (discuter) 5 mars 2020 à 22:30 (CET)[répondre]
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    Bonjour. Une journaliste qui émet un Pov sur son propre journal est une déclaration manquant d'indépendance et constitue une source primaire. Ce type de WP:POV est prohibé sur Wp. Salsero35 ☎ 22 février 2020 à 13:29 (CET)[répondre] +
    Toute source secondaire travaille à partir de sources primaires. On ne peut donc rejeter une source secondaire (ici le Monde diplomatique, Pierre Péan [4]) au prétexte qu'elle relaie dans une démonstration une source primaire. Mais je comprends la réticence de Salsero35. Pour une information de ce genre, il vaudrait mieux trouver une source secondaire centrée sur le sujet (Le Monde), au cas où, par exemple, il y ait des enquêtes d'initiative menées par ce journal sur d'autres sujets que les « affaires », puisque c'est ce dont parle Pierre Péan. --Baldurar (discuter) 22 février 2020 à 14:56 (CET)[répondre] +
    Il n’émet pas un POV sur son propre journal (ce qui n'est d'ailleurs plus le cas au moment où il a écrit ces lignes), il rapporte une citation d'Ariane Chemin non contestée par celle-ci à ma connaissance.--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 24 février 2020 à 09:26 (CET)[répondre] +
    Idem, une interview dans une source notoire (ici le monde diplo) n’est pas une source primaire. Son propre blog oui. Il faudrait rétablir en attribuant la déclaration et la source, si source contradictoire apparait on avisera mais ce n'est pas le cas. Mais Salsero si tu veux un bon gros TI à base de sources primaires, la partie “Articles et contributions extérieures sur la pédocriminalité”, qui mélange en plus homosexualité et pédophilie (le vieil amalgame), là il va falloir faire un sérieux ménage. Apollofox (discuter) 5 mars 2020 à 22:30 (CET)[répondre]

    Le Monde arrosé par Bill Gates

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    La Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation a arrosé Le Monde pendant plusieurs années, comme on peut le voir sur le site de cette fondation. Je suppose que si on le mentionne dans l'article, ce sera réverté parce que provenant d'une source primaire ? Marvoir (discuter) 1 mai 2020 à 15:09 (CEST)[répondre] +

    La Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation a arrosé Le Monde pendant plusieurs années, comme on peut le voir sur le site de cette fondation. Je suppose que si on le mentionne dans l'article, ce sera réverté parce que provenant d'une source primaire ? Marvoir (discuter) 1 mai 2020 à 15:09 (CEST)[répondre]

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    Bien supposé. Mais bien joué de la part de Marvoir : çà mange pas de pain de signaler ce fait en pdD, vu que ce contributeur estime que tous les grands journaux occidentaux sont à la solde de capitalistes financiers qui dictent la politique éditoriale de ces médias. Une des thématiques favorites des complotistes adeptes des sources alternatives dont leur activité éditoriale est, contrairement aux médias mainstream, dictée… que par le désintérêt et le goût de la vraie Vérité. Le pire, c'est que sa recherche sur ce site… ne concerne pas le journal Le Monde. Conclusion : on cherche … que ce qu'on veut chercher, et on est un POV-pusher justement parce qu'on cherche… que ce qu'on veut trouver. Salsero35 ☎ 1 mai 2020 à 16:18 (CEST)[répondre] -
    Vous dites qu'il ne s'agit pas du journal Le Monde. Je veux bien vous croire, mais pouvez-vous préciser quel est alors l'organisme appelé "Le Monde" qui a été arrosé par la Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ? Marvoir (discuter) 1 mai 2020 à 17:27 (CEST)[répondre] -
    Salsero35 , ne pourriez-vous vraiment pas répondre à ma question ? Marvoir (discuter) 1 mai 2020 à 19:50 (CEST)[répondre] -
    Tiens on sort le coup du complotisme. Si effectivement Le Monde a bénéficié de subventions (et visiblement assez importantes) il n'y a pas de raison de le cacher, surtout si le donateur en fait la publicité. Ca permettra de faire taire toute rumeur venue de complotistes justement.--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 09:13 (CEST) Et c'est même essentiel, d'un point de vue encyclopédique, ça évitera tout sourçage par ce journal d’articles wiki sur Bill Gates ou sa fondation--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 09:18 (CEST)[répondre] -
    Je suppose qu'il s'agit de choses telles que ça ? Mais c'est une source primaire sauf erreur. Je ne suis pas à priori contre, sauf qu'il faut à minima que le contributeur soit modéré et prudent dans ses propos ; "Le Monde arrosé par Bill Gates", ça n'est pas franchement le bon registre. Donc oui, ça sera reverté. Cordialement. --Touam (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 14:52 (CEST)[répondre] -
    Y'a ça aussi https://www.franceculture.fr/medias/la-presse-lassaut-des-philanthropes. Les sources primaires ne sont d'ailleurs pas interdites.--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 14:56 (CEST) ou encore ça https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/fortune-que-fait-bill-gates-de-tout-son-argent-593854.html--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 14:58 (CEST)[répondre]
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    Bien supposé. Mais bien joué de la part de Marvoir : çà mange pas de pain de signaler ce fait en pdD, vu que ce contributeur estime que tous les grands journaux occidentaux sont à la solde de capitalistes financiers qui dictent la politique éditoriale de ces médias. Une des thématiques favorites des complotistes adeptes des sources alternatives dont leur activité éditoriale est, contrairement aux médias mainstream, dictée… que par le désintérêt et le goût de la vraie Vérité. Le pire, c'est que sa recherche sur ce site… ne concerne pas le journal Le Monde. Conclusion : on cherche … que ce qu'on veut chercher, et on est un POV-pusher justement parce qu'on cherche… que ce qu'on veut trouver. Salsero35 ☎ 1 mai 2020 à 16:18 (CEST)[répondre] +
    Vous dites qu'il ne s'agit pas du journal Le Monde. Je veux bien vous croire, mais pouvez-vous préciser quel est alors l'organisme appelé "Le Monde" qui a été arrosé par la Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ? Marvoir (discuter) 1 mai 2020 à 17:27 (CEST)[répondre] +
    Salsero35 , ne pourriez-vous vraiment pas répondre à ma question ? Marvoir (discuter) 1 mai 2020 à 19:50 (CEST)[répondre] +
    Tiens on sort le coup du complotisme. Si effectivement Le Monde a bénéficié de subventions (et visiblement assez importantes) il n'y a pas de raison de le cacher, surtout si le donateur en fait la publicité. Ca permettra de faire taire toute rumeur venue de complotistes justement.--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 09:13 (CEST) Et c'est même essentiel, d'un point de vue encyclopédique, ça évitera tout sourçage par ce journal d’articles wiki sur Bill Gates ou sa fondation--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 09:18 (CEST)[répondre] +
    Je suppose qu'il s'agit de choses telles que ça ? Mais c'est une source primaire sauf erreur. Je ne suis pas à priori contre, sauf qu'il faut à minima que le contributeur soit modéré et prudent dans ses propos ; "Le Monde arrosé par Bill Gates", ça n'est pas franchement le bon registre. Donc oui, ça sera reverté. Cordialement. --Touam (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 14:52 (CEST)[répondre] +
    Y'a ça aussi https://www.franceculture.fr/medias/la-presse-lassaut-des-philanthropes. Les sources primaires ne sont d'ailleurs pas interdites.--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 14:56 (CEST) ou encore ça https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/fortune-que-fait-bill-gates-de-tout-son-argent-593854.html--J'en passe et des meilleurs (discuter) 4 mai 2020 à 14:58 (CEST)[répondre]
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