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$replyLink->setAttribute( 'role', 'button' );
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$replyLink->setAttribute( 'tabindex', '0' );
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$replyLink->setAttribute( 'data-mw-comment', $itemJSON );
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// Set empty 'href' to avoid a:not([href]) selector in MobileFrontend
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$replyLink->setAttribute( 'href', '' );
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$replyLink->nodeValue = wfMessage( 'discussiontools-replylink' )->inLanguage( $lang )->text();
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<h3><span class="mw-headline" id="Threesom666" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Threesom666|Reports|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|ToBeFree|2021-01-22T22:19:00.000Z|Threesom666","c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z|Threesom666","c|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Threesom666"],"headingLevel":3,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Threesom666|Reports|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span>Threesom666<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Threesom666|Reports|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span></span></h3>
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<dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ToBeFree|2021-01-22T22:19:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span>The following discussion is an archived debate of the username below. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/User_names" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/User names">Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/User names</a>). No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl>
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<p>The result was: <b>allow</b>; already overturned by <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) 22:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|ToBeFree|2021-01-22T22:19:00.000Z|Threesom666","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T22:19:00.000Z","author":"ToBeFree"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ToBeFree|2021-01-22T22:19:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span>
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<p>The result was: <b>allow</b>; already overturned by <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ToBeFree" title="User:ToBeFree">~ ToBeFree</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree" title="User talk:ToBeFree">talk</a>) 22:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|ToBeFree|2021-01-22T22:19:00.000Z|Threesom666","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T22:19:00.000Z","author":"ToBeFree"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ToBeFree|2021-01-22T22:19:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span>
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</p><p><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Threesom666&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Threesom666 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span>Threesom666</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Threesom666" title="User talk:Threesom666">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Threesom666" title="Special:Contributions/Threesom666">contribs</a>)
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<dl><dd>So this is actually a weird semi-backdoor unblock request. User was blocked for their username, but after coming in to IRC asking why they were blocked it occurred to me (and a few other helpers) that the name isn't <i>that</i> provocative. Basically, I think the block was a little excessive but I don't want to wheel-war with <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> over the matter. I figure since the block was entirely username-related that it would be reasonable to discuss the issue here. Thanks. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) 15:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z|Threesom666","replies":["c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","c|Pawnkingthree|2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","c|Girth Summit|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","author":"Primefac"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span>I blocked in response to a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AUsernames_for_administrator_attention&type=revision&diff=999688531&oldid=999687981">UAA request</a>. I also note that the user's unblock request without a username change was declined by <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamla" title="User:Yamla">Yamla</a>. The name references <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threesome" title="Threesome">Threesome</a> and <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast" title="Number of the beast">Number of the beast</a>(666). <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) 15:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z","author":"331dot"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z"></span>Right, which is why I'm somewhat on the fence. I get the 666 issue, but "threesome" to me is, well, not really that much of an issue in this day and age. I guess I just don't see 666 as enough of a problem to block; maybe I'm just weird. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) 15:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z","replies":["c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z","author":"Primefac"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z"></span>I guess at the time I felt that if one person was offended enough to report it that it was probably offensive, but if the community feels differently, I can live with that. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) 15:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z","author":"331dot"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pawnkingthree|2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span>The sexual reference is mild. "666" on its own is not offensive at all. I suppose it the combination of the two that is the issue? Personally I don't see it rising to the level of <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r989825325">.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">making harmonious editing difficult or impossible</q>.-- <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pawnkingthree" title="User:Pawnkingthree">P-K3</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pawnkingthree" title="User talk:Pawnkingthree">talk</a>) 15:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Pawnkingthree|2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z","author":"Pawnkingthree"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pawnkingthree|2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Girth Summit|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span>I personally wouldn't have blocked for the username on its own. If I'd seen the username and just looked at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Horned_God&diff=prev&oldid=967550364">this</a> edit though, and seen the signature, I might have blocked as not being here for the right reasons. I wouldn't however have a problem with someone of that username gnoming around in American football articles, which seems to be their primary interest. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Girth_Summit" title="User:Girth Summit"><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span></a><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Girth_Summit" title="User talk:Girth Summit"><sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub></a> 15:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Girth Summit|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","author":"Girth Summit"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Girth Summit|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #AAA;border-right:1px solid #AAA;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #AAA;"></span></div><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span>Primefac</a>, I'm not saying we should dilute the potency of certain usernames (obviously, to a <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:POINT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POINT">point</a>), but I think it still needs to be tasteful in so far as what the username <i>depicts</i>. Like with a Threesome-this or an Orgy-that or whatever. I don't think it reflects well on the project to have usernames like those around. I don't want kids to see that. While the more <i>intellectually</i> potent usernames will just go over their heads, the more direct crass sex stuff has little if any utility. We gotta use common sense when weighing <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CENSOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CENSOR">WP:CENSOR</a> against <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTFREESPEECH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTFREESPEECH">WP:NOTFREESPEECH</a>. I think both <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a>, who applied the <i>soft</i> block, and <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamla" title="User:Yamla">Yamla</a>, who declined the unblock request, made the right call. Significantly, the blocked user reacted by saying: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r989825325"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">My screen name is my name and represents me. I dont care of contributing anymore if it’s going to block because of my name</q>. <s>Sorry, but to me, that comes across as a bit immature. Oh well. Hope they reconsider.</s> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 15:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC) <small><u>Added:</u> not sure why I thought this was a brand new account, but obviously I was in error. Struck. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 17:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Threesom666","replies":["c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|Jessamyn|2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|Dolotta|2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|The Earwig|2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|EvergreenFir|2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","author":"El C"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Reasonable argument (and most of those were things I tried to discuss with them as reasons why they were blocked). For what it's worth I'm willing to be convinced in either direction. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) 15:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":["c|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z","author":"Primefac"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z"></span>Primefac</a>, I guess what I'm getting at is that we should be wary of anything too <i>explicit</i>: like really ghoulish or of a sexual nature or about bodily fluids or whatever. I realize many kids are exposed to much worse, but there are still many kids whose internet is closely regulated by their parents and who may have safeguards to prevent their kids from reading the actual Wikipedia article on these subjects. We should not betray the trust of those parents who allow their kids to be "gnoming around in American football articles," which <i>ought</i> to be an innocent enough affair. Wikipedia is, ultimately, a <i><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ENC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ENC">scholarly</a></i> pursuit (serious bizness!<abbr title="Kitty" style="border-bottom: none;"><img alt="Kitty emoji.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Kitty_emoji.png/18px-Kitty_emoji.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Kitty_emoji.png/27px-Kitty_emoji.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Kitty_emoji.png/36px-Kitty_emoji.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180"/></abbr>), but why not be welcoming of everyone? The tradeoff looks intuitive to me and it falls squarely on the side of being respectful (of the sensibilities of kids — as for adults, fuck'em). <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 16:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z","replies":["c|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z","c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z","author":"El C"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"></span>I wouldn't have blocked this username myself, had I noticed it first. That said, I don't think the block was inappropriate. This is a judgment call, and the username is certainly skirting the edges. I declined the unblock request because it wasn't a request to be unblocked, as far as I can see, but rather a declaration that they don't plan to edit further. Totally unrelated, I found <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threesome_(1994_film)" title="Threesome (1994 film)">Threesome (1994 film)</a> rather entertaining. --<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamla" title="User:Yamla">Yamla</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yamla" title="User talk:Yamla">talk</a>) 16:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z","replies":["c|El C|2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z","author":"Yamla"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|El C|2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z"></span>I think what I'm talking about here is probably a more amorphous principle, because, like <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamla" title="User:Yamla">Yamla</a>, I don't know if I would have blocked that username, either (as <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> says, absent a complaint). Because as far as sex stuff usernames go, it is indeed rather tame. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 16:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|El C|2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z","author":"El C"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|El C|2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r989825325"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">We should not betray the trust of those parents who allow their kids to be "gnoming around in American football articles," which ought to be an innocent enough affair.</q> While fair as far as it goes, <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED">Wikipedia is not censored</a> and we are also not the morality police. - <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> 22:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z","author":"The Bushranger"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>I don't see the name as that much of a problem. Slightly risqué but no more than that. If it were up to me, I'd unblock. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) 16:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":["c|El C|2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z","author":"Mjroots"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|El C|2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z"></span>True enough. On second thought, something like <i>User:The Illustrious Roman Orgy</i>, for example, is actually a pretty cool username (I just invented). <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 17:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|El C|2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z","author":"El C"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|El C|2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Jessamyn|2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Agree with many people above, I don't see this username as any big deal. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jessamyn" title="User:Jessamyn">Jessamyn</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jessamyn" title="User talk:Jessamyn">talk</a>) 17:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Jessamyn|2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z","author":"Jessamyn"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jessamyn|2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Dolotta|2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Unblock</b> -- The first thing I thought of when I saw the username was a golf threesome. The editor has edited off-and-on for 13+ years. I don't see any problem with the username. Great ... now I'm wishing it wasn't 8 degrees F. out and I could get a round of golf in. -- <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dolotta" title="User:Dolotta">Dolotta</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dolotta" title="User talk:Dolotta">talk</a>) 17:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Dolotta|2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z","author":"Dolotta"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Dolotta|2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|The Earwig|2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Bad block</b> for a user registered in <i>2005</i> with a questionable-at-worst username and no attempt at discussion. Sure, there are dubious edits, but nothing I would immediately block for; the unblock reason is poor, but they are probably upset. The <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_God" title="Horned God">Horned God</a> edit is not clearly in bad faith to me: the edit summary is joke-y and the image should have been a thumbnail, but is not inappropriate for the article. — <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Earwig" title="User:The Earwig"><span style="color:#060;">The Earwig</span></a> <sup><i><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Earwig" title="User talk:The Earwig"><span style="color:#000;">talk</span></a></i></sup> 17:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|The Earwig|2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z","author":"The Earwig"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|The Earwig|2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|EvergreenFir|2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Unblock </b>- that name is <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_picture_content_rating_system" title="Motion picture content rating system">PG</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EvergreenFir" title="User:EvergreenFir"><b><span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span></b></a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EvergreenFir" title="User talk:EvergreenFir">(talk)</a> 19:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|EvergreenFir|2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z","author":"EvergreenFir"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|EvergreenFir|2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<dl><dd>So this is actually a weird semi-backdoor unblock request. User was blocked for their username, but after coming in to IRC asking why they were blocked it occurred to me (and a few other helpers) that the name isn't <i>that</i> provocative. Basically, I think the block was a little excessive but I don't want to wheel-war with <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> over the matter. I figure since the block was entirely username-related that it would be reasonable to discuss the issue here. Thanks. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) 15:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z|Threesom666","replies":["c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","c|Pawnkingthree|2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","c|Girth Summit|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","author":"Primefac"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span>I blocked in response to a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AUsernames_for_administrator_attention&type=revision&diff=999688531&oldid=999687981">UAA request</a>. I also note that the user's unblock request without a username change was declined by <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamla" title="User:Yamla">Yamla</a>. The name references <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threesome" title="Threesome">Threesome</a> and <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast" title="Number of the beast">Number of the beast</a>(666). <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) 15:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z","author":"331dot"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z"></span>Right, which is why I'm somewhat on the fence. I get the 666 issue, but "threesome" to me is, well, not really that much of an issue in this day and age. I guess I just don't see 666 as enough of a problem to block; maybe I'm just weird. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) 15:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z","replies":["c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z","author":"Primefac"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z|331dot|2021-01-22T15:27:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z"></span>I guess at the time I felt that if one person was offended enough to report it that it was probably offensive, but if the community feels differently, I can live with that. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:331dot" title="User talk:331dot">talk</a>) 15:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z","author":"331dot"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|331dot|2021-01-22T15:41:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pawnkingthree|2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span>The sexual reference is mild. "666" on its own is not offensive at all. I suppose it the combination of the two that is the issue? Personally I don't see it rising to the level of <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r989825325">.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">making harmonious editing difficult or impossible</q>.-- <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pawnkingthree" title="User:Pawnkingthree">P-K3</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pawnkingthree" title="User talk:Pawnkingthree">talk</a>) 15:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Pawnkingthree|2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z","author":"Pawnkingthree"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pawnkingthree|2021-01-22T15:34:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Girth Summit|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span>I personally wouldn't have blocked for the username on its own. If I'd seen the username and just looked at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Horned_God&diff=prev&oldid=967550364">this</a> edit though, and seen the signature, I might have blocked as not being here for the right reasons. I wouldn't however have a problem with someone of that username gnoming around in American football articles, which seems to be their primary interest. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Girth_Summit" title="User:Girth Summit"><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span></a><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Girth_Summit" title="User talk:Girth Summit"><sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub></a> 15:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Girth Summit|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","author":"Girth Summit"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Girth Summit|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #AAA;border-right:1px solid #AAA;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #AAA;"></span></div><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span>Primefac</a>, I'm not saying we should dilute the potency of certain usernames (obviously, to a <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:POINT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:POINT">point</a>), but I think it still needs to be tasteful in so far as what the username <i>depicts</i>. Like with a Threesome-this or an Orgy-that or whatever. I don't think it reflects well on the project to have usernames like those around. I don't want kids to see that. While the more <i>intellectually</i> potent usernames will just go over their heads, the more direct crass sex stuff has little if any utility. We gotta use common sense when weighing <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CENSOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CENSOR">WP:CENSOR</a> against <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTFREESPEECH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTFREESPEECH">WP:NOTFREESPEECH</a>. I think both <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a>, who applied the <i>soft</i> block, and <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamla" title="User:Yamla">Yamla</a>, who declined the unblock request, made the right call. Significantly, the blocked user reacted by saying: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r989825325"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">My screen name is my name and represents me. I dont care of contributing anymore if it’s going to block because of my name</q>. <s>Sorry, but to me, that comes across as a bit immature. Oh well. Hope they reconsider.</s> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 15:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC) <small><u>Added:</u> not sure why I thought this was a brand new account, but obviously I was in error. Struck. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 17:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Threesom666","replies":["c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|Jessamyn|2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|Dolotta|2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|The Earwig|2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|EvergreenFir|2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","author":"El C"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z|Threesom666"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Reasonable argument (and most of those were things I tried to discuss with them as reasons why they were blocked). For what it's worth I'm willing to be convinced in either direction. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac">Primefac</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Primefac" title="User talk:Primefac">talk</a>) 15:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":["c|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z","author":"Primefac"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Primefac" title="User:Primefac"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z"></span>Primefac</a>, I guess what I'm getting at is that we should be wary of anything too <i>explicit</i>: like really ghoulish or of a sexual nature or about bodily fluids or whatever. I realize many kids are exposed to much worse, but there are still many kids whose internet is closely regulated by their parents and who may have safeguards to prevent their kids from reading the actual Wikipedia article on these subjects. We should not betray the trust of those parents who allow their kids to be "gnoming around in American football articles," which <i>ought</i> to be an innocent enough affair. Wikipedia is, ultimately, a <i><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ENC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ENC">scholarly</a></i> pursuit (serious bizness!<abbr title="Kitty" style="border-bottom: none;"><img alt="Kitty emoji.png" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Kitty_emoji.png/18px-Kitty_emoji.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Kitty_emoji.png/27px-Kitty_emoji.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Kitty_emoji.png/36px-Kitty_emoji.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="180"/></abbr>), but why not be welcoming of everyone? The tradeoff looks intuitive to me and it falls squarely on the side of being respectful (of the sensibilities of kids — as for adults, fuck'em). <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 16:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z","replies":["c|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z","c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z","author":"El C"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z|Primefac|2021-01-22T15:52:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"></span>I wouldn't have blocked this username myself, had I noticed it first. That said, I don't think the block was inappropriate. This is a judgment call, and the username is certainly skirting the edges. I declined the unblock request because it wasn't a request to be unblocked, as far as I can see, but rather a declaration that they don't plan to edit further. Totally unrelated, I found <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threesome_(1994_film)" title="Threesome (1994 film)">Threesome (1994 film)</a> rather entertaining. --<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamla" title="User:Yamla">Yamla</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yamla" title="User talk:Yamla">talk</a>) 16:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z","replies":["c|El C|2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z","author":"Yamla"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|El C|2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z"></span>I think what I'm talking about here is probably a more amorphous principle, because, like <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamla" title="User:Yamla">Yamla</a>, I don't know if I would have blocked that username, either (as <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:331dot" title="User:331dot">331dot</a> says, absent a complaint). Because as far as sex stuff usernames go, it is indeed rather tame. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 16:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|El C|2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z","author":"El C"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|El C|2021-01-22T16:53:00.000Z|Yamla|2021-01-22T16:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r989825325"/><q class="inline-quote-talk">We should not betray the trust of those parents who allow their kids to be "gnoming around in American football articles," which ought to be an innocent enough affair.</q> While fair as far as it goes, <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED">Wikipedia is not censored</a> and we are also not the morality police. - <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> 22:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z","author":"The Bushranger"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T16:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>I don't see the name as that much of a problem. Slightly risqué but no more than that. If it were up to me, I'd unblock. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mjroots" title="User:Mjroots">Mjroots</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mjroots" title="User talk:Mjroots">talk</a>) 16:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":["c|El C|2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z","author":"Mjroots"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|El C|2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z"></span>True enough. On second thought, something like <i>User:The Illustrious Roman Orgy</i>, for example, is actually a pretty cool username (I just invented). <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:El_C" title="User:El C">El_C</a> 17:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|El C|2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z","author":"El C"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|El C|2021-01-22T17:10:00.000Z|Mjroots|2021-01-22T16:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Jessamyn|2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Agree with many people above, I don't see this username as any big deal. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jessamyn" title="User:Jessamyn">Jessamyn</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jessamyn" title="User talk:Jessamyn">talk</a>) 17:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Jessamyn|2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z","author":"Jessamyn"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jessamyn|2021-01-22T17:11:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Dolotta|2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Unblock</b> -- The first thing I thought of when I saw the username was a golf threesome. The editor has edited off-and-on for 13+ years. I don't see any problem with the username. Great ... now I'm wishing it wasn't 8 degrees F. out and I could get a round of golf in. -- <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dolotta" title="User:Dolotta">Dolotta</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dolotta" title="User talk:Dolotta">talk</a>) 17:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Dolotta|2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z","author":"Dolotta"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Dolotta|2021-01-22T17:25:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|The Earwig|2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Bad block</b> for a user registered in <i>2005</i> with a questionable-at-worst username and no attempt at discussion. Sure, there are dubious edits, but nothing I would immediately block for; the unblock reason is poor, but they are probably upset. The <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_God" title="Horned God">Horned God</a> edit is not clearly in bad faith to me: the edit summary is joke-y and the image should have been a thumbnail, but is not inappropriate for the article. — <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Earwig" title="User:The Earwig"><span style="color:#060;">The Earwig</span></a> <sup><i><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Earwig" title="User talk:The Earwig"><span style="color:#000;">talk</span></a></i></sup> 17:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|The Earwig|2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z","author":"The Earwig"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|The Earwig|2021-01-22T17:32:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|EvergreenFir|2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>Unblock </b>- that name is <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_picture_content_rating_system" title="Motion picture content rating system">PG</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EvergreenFir" title="User:EvergreenFir"><b><span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span></b></a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EvergreenFir" title="User talk:EvergreenFir">(talk)</a> 19:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|EvergreenFir|2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z","author":"EvergreenFir"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|EvergreenFir|2021-01-22T19:19:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>After considering and looking over the above, I have <b>unblocked</b> the editor. I believe the block was good faith but <i>also</i> should not have been made, and in the future <i>long-term</i> accounts like this, unless the name is <i>truly</i> out there, should be given a "hey, your username might be questionable, would you like to change it?" ping first if at all. Remember that there's lots of "questionable" usernames from long-term users here, and some of them are even admins. - <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> 22:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z","author":"The Bushranger"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>After considering and looking over the above, I have <b>unblocked</b> the editor. I believe the block was good faith but <i>also</i> should not have been made, and in the future <i>long-term</i> accounts like this, unless the name is <i>truly</i> out there, should be given a "hey, your username might be questionable, would you like to change it?" ping first if at all. Remember that there's lots of "questionable" usernames from long-term users here, and some of them are even admins. - <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Bushranger" title="User:The Bushranger">The Bushranger</a> <sub><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Bushranger" title="User talk:The Bushranger"><span style="color: maroon;">One ping only</span></a></sub> 22:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z","author":"The Bushranger"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|The Bushranger|2021-01-22T22:08:00.000Z|El C|2021-01-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<p>The article lacks sourcing. It was quite promotional before I axed it. An AfC draft that fell through the cracks. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Contribs)</a> Please <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTIFY">notify</a> me after replying off my <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">talk page.</a> Thank you. 11:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|Equal_Education","replies":["c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|1","c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|2","c|Cupper52|2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","c|Adamant1|2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","c|Redoryxx|2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","author":"I dream of horses"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|Equal_Education"></span>
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<p>The article lacks sourcing. It was quite promotional before I axed it. An AfC draft that fell through the cracks. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Contribs)</a> Please <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTIFY">notify</a> me after replying off my <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">talk page.</a> Thank you. 11:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|Equal_Education","replies":["c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|1","c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|2","c|Cupper52|2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","c|Adamant1|2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","c|Redoryxx|2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","author":"I dream of horses"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|Equal_Education"></span>
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<dd><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|1"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Education" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Education">list of Education-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Contribs)</a> Please <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTIFY">notify</a> me after replying off my <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">talk page.</a> Thank you. 11:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-end="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|1"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","author":"I dream of horses"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd>
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<dd><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|2"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/South_Africa" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/South Africa">list of South Africa-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Contribs)</a> Please <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTIFY">notify</a> me after replying off my <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">talk page.</a> Thank you. 11:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-end="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|2"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|2","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","author":"I dream of horses"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Cupper52|2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> I have found a source. –<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cupper52" title="User:Cupper52"><span style="color:#296"><b>Cupper</b></span><span style="Color:#1346"><b>52</b></span></a><sup><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cupper52" title="User talk:Cupper52"><span style="color:LIGHTGREEN;"><b>Discuss!</b></span></a></sup> 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Cupper52|2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z","author":"Cupper52"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Cupper52|2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Adamant1|2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span>Can you provide the source so it can be added to the article? --<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Adamant1" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1" title="User talk:Adamant1">talk</a>) 23:33, 24 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Adamant1|2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z","author":"Adamant1"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Adamant1|2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Redoryxx|2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b> Agreed that this article is lacking sourcing. The source provided does not meet <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> and doesn't show notability. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Redoryxx&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Redoryxx (page does not exist)">Redoryxx</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redoryxx" title="User talk:Redoryxx">talk</a>) 01:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Redoryxx|2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z","author":"Redoryxx"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Redoryxx|2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<dd><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|1"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Education" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Education">list of Education-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Contribs)</a> Please <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTIFY">notify</a> me after replying off my <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">talk page.</a> Thank you. 11:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-end="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|1"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","author":"I dream of horses"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd>
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<dd><small class="delsort-notice"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|2"></span>Note: This discussion has been included in the <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/South_Africa" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/South Africa">list of South Africa-related deletion discussions</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Contribs)</a> Please <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTIFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTIFY">notify</a> me after replying off my <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">talk page.</a> Thank you. 11:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-end="c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|2"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z|2","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","author":"I dream of horses"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Cupper52|2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> I have found a source. –<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cupper52" title="User:Cupper52"><span style="color:#296"><b>Cupper</b></span><span style="Color:#1346"><b>52</b></span></a><sup><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cupper52" title="User talk:Cupper52"><span style="color:LIGHTGREEN;"><b>Discuss!</b></span></a></sup> 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Cupper52|2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z","author":"Cupper52"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Cupper52|2021-01-20T13:37:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Adamant1|2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span>Can you provide the source so it can be added to the article? --<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Adamant1" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1" title="User talk:Adamant1">talk</a>) 23:33, 24 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Adamant1|2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z","author":"Adamant1"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Adamant1|2021-01-24T23:33:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Redoryxx|2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b> Agreed that this article is lacking sourcing. The source provided does not meet <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> and doesn't show notability. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Redoryxx&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Redoryxx (page does not exist)">Redoryxx</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Redoryxx" title="User talk:Redoryxx">talk</a>) 01:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Redoryxx|2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z","author":"Redoryxx"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Redoryxx|2021-01-22T01:51:00.000Z|I dream of horses|2021-01-20T11:37:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Walter Görlitz|2021-01-28T03:36:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> I ran a quick Google search on "Equal Education" "Cape Town" -wikipedia and stopped after I reached the second page having found significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject ten times: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.groundup.org.za/article/we-want-eastern-cape-education-department-fix-our-schools-demands-learners/">https://www.groundup.org.za/article/we-want-eastern-cape-education-department-fix-our-schools-demands-learners/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ewn.co.za/2020/08/06/equal-education-disappointed-by-substance-of-dbe-s-school-nutrition-scheme">https://ewn.co.za/2020/08/06/equal-education-disappointed-by-substance-of-dbe-s-school-nutrition-scheme</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/budget-cuts-will-worsen-school-overcrowding-in-western-cape-says-equal-education-43678863">https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/budget-cuts-will-worsen-school-overcrowding-in-western-cape-says-equal-education-43678863</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ewn.co.za/2020/06/12/equal-education-goes-to-court-saying-dbe-backtracked-on-schools-feeding-scheme">https://ewn.co.za/2020/06/12/equal-education-goes-to-court-saying-dbe-backtracked-on-schools-feeding-scheme</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-07-17-court-order-the-department-of-basic-education-to-urgently-feed-9-million-hungry-children/">https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-07-17-court-order-the-department-of-basic-education-to-urgently-feed-9-million-hungry-children/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-07-17-court-order-the-department-of-basic-education-to-urgently-feed-9-million-hungry-children/">https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-07-17-court-order-the-department-of-basic-education-to-urgently-feed-9-million-hungry-children/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/equal-education-wants-answers-from-dbe-over-school-nutrition/">https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/equal-education-wants-answers-from-dbe-over-school-nutrition/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2020-07-23-pupils-demand-solid-classrooms-after-storm-destroys-prefabs/">https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2020-07-23-pupils-demand-solid-classrooms-after-storm-destroys-prefabs/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/equal-education-seeks-order-forcing-govt-to-ensure-all-qualifying-pupils-are-fed-through-scheme-20200702">https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/equal-education-seeks-order-forcing-govt-to-ensure-all-qualifying-pupils-are-fed-through-scheme-20200702</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.groundup.org.za/article/its-fair-to-conclude-that-we-do-not-have-what-is-called-a-school-says-principal/">https://www.groundup.org.za/article/its-fair-to-conclude-that-we-do-not-have-what-is-called-a-school-says-principal/</a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Walter_G%C3%B6rlitz" title="User:Walter Görlitz">Walter Görlitz</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Walter_G%C3%B6rlitz" title="User talk:Walter Görlitz">talk</a>) 03:36, 28 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Walter G\u00f6rlitz|2021-01-28T03:36:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-28T03:36:00.000Z","author":"Walter G\u00f6rlitz"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Walter Görlitz|2021-01-28T03:36:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Yonibass|2021-02-02T11:48:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> hi i created this page initially but its been updated over the years. This is a legitimate organisation operating in South Africa. This page should not be deleted but just improved. Most of the text that was there prior to removal can be referenced (and the tone corrected) as you can see by the multiple links posted by others above. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Yonibass&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yonibass (page does not exist)">Yonibass</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yonibass" title="User talk:Yonibass">talk</a>) 11:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC).<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Yonibass|2021-02-02T11:48:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-02T11:48:00.000Z","author":"Yonibass"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Yonibass|2021-02-02T11:48:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheSandDoctor" title="User:TheSandDoctor"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">The</span><span style="color:#009933; font-weight:bold;">SandDoctor</span></a> <sup><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheSandDoctor" title="User talk:TheSandDoctor"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> 03:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-end="c|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z|Equal_Education"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z|Equal_Education","replies":["c|Walter G\u00f6rlitz|2021-01-28T03:36:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z","c|Yonibass|2021-02-02T11:48:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z","author":"TheSandDoctor"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Walter Görlitz|2021-01-28T03:36:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> I ran a quick Google search on "Equal Education" "Cape Town" -wikipedia and stopped after I reached the second page having found significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject ten times: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.groundup.org.za/article/we-want-eastern-cape-education-department-fix-our-schools-demands-learners/">https://www.groundup.org.za/article/we-want-eastern-cape-education-department-fix-our-schools-demands-learners/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ewn.co.za/2020/08/06/equal-education-disappointed-by-substance-of-dbe-s-school-nutrition-scheme">https://ewn.co.za/2020/08/06/equal-education-disappointed-by-substance-of-dbe-s-school-nutrition-scheme</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/budget-cuts-will-worsen-school-overcrowding-in-western-cape-says-equal-education-43678863">https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/budget-cuts-will-worsen-school-overcrowding-in-western-cape-says-equal-education-43678863</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://ewn.co.za/2020/06/12/equal-education-goes-to-court-saying-dbe-backtracked-on-schools-feeding-scheme">https://ewn.co.za/2020/06/12/equal-education-goes-to-court-saying-dbe-backtracked-on-schools-feeding-scheme</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-07-17-court-order-the-department-of-basic-education-to-urgently-feed-9-million-hungry-children/">https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-07-17-court-order-the-department-of-basic-education-to-urgently-feed-9-million-hungry-children/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-07-17-court-order-the-department-of-basic-education-to-urgently-feed-9-million-hungry-children/">https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-07-17-court-order-the-department-of-basic-education-to-urgently-feed-9-million-hungry-children/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/equal-education-wants-answers-from-dbe-over-school-nutrition/">https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/equal-education-wants-answers-from-dbe-over-school-nutrition/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2020-07-23-pupils-demand-solid-classrooms-after-storm-destroys-prefabs/">https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2020-07-23-pupils-demand-solid-classrooms-after-storm-destroys-prefabs/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/equal-education-seeks-order-forcing-govt-to-ensure-all-qualifying-pupils-are-fed-through-scheme-20200702">https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/equal-education-seeks-order-forcing-govt-to-ensure-all-qualifying-pupils-are-fed-through-scheme-20200702</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.groundup.org.za/article/its-fair-to-conclude-that-we-do-not-have-what-is-called-a-school-says-principal/">https://www.groundup.org.za/article/its-fair-to-conclude-that-we-do-not-have-what-is-called-a-school-says-principal/</a> <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Walter_G%C3%B6rlitz" title="User:Walter Görlitz">Walter Görlitz</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Walter_G%C3%B6rlitz" title="User talk:Walter Görlitz">talk</a>) 03:36, 28 January 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Walter G\u00f6rlitz|2021-01-28T03:36:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-01-28T03:36:00.000Z","author":"Walter G\u00f6rlitz"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Walter Görlitz|2021-01-28T03:36:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Yonibass|2021-02-02T11:48:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> hi i created this page initially but its been updated over the years. This is a legitimate organisation operating in South Africa. This page should not be deleted but just improved. Most of the text that was there prior to removal can be referenced (and the tone corrected) as you can see by the multiple links posted by others above. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Yonibass&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yonibass (page does not exist)">Yonibass</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yonibass" title="User talk:Yonibass">talk</a>) 11:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC).<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Yonibass|2021-02-02T11:48:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-02T11:48:00.000Z","author":"Yonibass"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Yonibass|2021-02-02T11:48:00.000Z|TheSandDoctor|2021-01-28T03:23:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z|Equal_Education"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><b>Relisting comment:</b> 3 keep, 2 Delete (including nominator), close call. Relisting to get better consensus. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Expertwikiguy" title="User:Expertwikiguy">Expertwikiguy</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Expertwikiguy" title="User talk:Expertwikiguy">talk</a>) 10:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC)<br/>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|DGG|2021-02-07T10:32:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z"></span>Draftify (or re-draftify_ for rewriting. The verfsion that should be judged for potential is <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equal_Education&oldid=980847527">[1]</a> , before 90% of the content had been removed as promotional -- it was promotional , but it needs shortening and rewriting, not removal.But there's no version which is really satisfactory for mainspace. <b><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG"> DGG</a></b> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG" title="User talk:DGG"> talk </a>) 10:32, 7 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|DGG|2021-02-07T10:32:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-07T10:32:00.000Z","author":"DGG"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|DGG|2021-02-07T10:32:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Adamant1|2021-02-07T22:43:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z"></span>Draftify</b> As I agree with DGG about the current state of things. Perhaps we can get the delete voter to go with draftify also. Since it seems like a reasonable option. --<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Adamant1" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1" title="User talk:Adamant1">talk</a>) 22:43, 7 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Adamant1|2021-02-07T22:43:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-07T22:43:00.000Z","author":"Adamant1"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Adamant1|2021-02-07T22:43:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|DGG|2021-02-07T10:32:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z"></span>Draftify (or re-draftify_ for rewriting. The verfsion that should be judged for potential is <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equal_Education&oldid=980847527">[1]</a> , before 90% of the content had been removed as promotional -- it was promotional , but it needs shortening and rewriting, not removal.But there's no version which is really satisfactory for mainspace. <b><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG" title="User:DGG"> DGG</a></b> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG" title="User talk:DGG"> talk </a>) 10:32, 7 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|DGG|2021-02-07T10:32:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-07T10:32:00.000Z","author":"DGG"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|DGG|2021-02-07T10:32:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Adamant1|2021-02-07T22:43:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z"></span>Draftify</b> As I agree with DGG about the current state of things. Perhaps we can get the delete voter to go with draftify also. Since it seems like a reasonable option. --<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Adamant1" title="User:Adamant1">Adamant1</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Adamant1" title="User talk:Adamant1">talk</a>) 22:43, 7 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Adamant1|2021-02-07T22:43:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-07T22:43:00.000Z","author":"Adamant1"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Adamant1|2021-02-07T22:43:00.000Z|Expertwikiguy|2021-02-05T10:38:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"><span style="color: #FF6600;"><b><span style="font-size:91%;"><a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z|Equal_Education"></span>Relisted</a> to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.</span></b></span><br/><b>Relisting comment:</b> Given the late suggesting of DRAFTIFY, relisting for a third time to see if there can be more consensus for that option or for some other outcome (delete or keep both having received support).<br/>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Star Mississippi|2021-02-16T21:55:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span>Draftify</b> per DGG. The topic is notable, but the content needs some workshopping. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi" title="User talk:Star Mississippi"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">StarM</b></a> 21:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Star Mississippi|2021-02-16T21:55:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-16T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Star Mississippi"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Star Mississippi|2021-02-16T21:55:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Cunard|2021-02-21T01:12:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> The subject passes <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline</a> and <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)#Primary_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)">Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria</a> through the sources found by Walter Görlitz. Per <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_policy#Wikipedia_is_a_work_in_progress:_perfection_is_not_required" title="Wikipedia:Editing policy">Wikipedia:Editing policy#Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required</a>, "Collaborative editing means that incomplete or poorly written first drafts can evolve over time into excellent articles. Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome." The article has promotional wording but it is not sufficiently promotional that it should be deleted from mainspace. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equal_Education&oldid=378533564">The initial 13:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC) version of the article</a> is not promotional and can be reverted to if the current version of the article is deemed to be too promotional. I prefer that the article be improved while it is in mainspace instead of being moved to draftspace where if unedited for six months, it would be deleted under <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G13">Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G13. Abandoned Drafts and Articles for creation submissions</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cunard&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cunard (page does not exist)">Cunard</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cunard" title="User talk:Cunard">talk</a>) 01:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Cunard|2021-02-21T01:12:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-21T01:12:00.000Z","author":"Cunard"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Cunard|2021-02-21T01:12:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ScottishFinnishRadish|2021-02-26T14:30:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> or Draftify as second choice. There are enough sources to establish notability, but the article does need work. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ScottishFinnishRadish&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish (page does not exist)">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) 14:30, 26 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ScottishFinnishRadish|2021-02-26T14:30:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-26T14:30:00.000Z","author":"ScottishFinnishRadish"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ScottishFinnishRadish|2021-02-26T14:30:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) 21:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z|Equal_Education"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z|Equal_Education","replies":["c|Star Mississippi|2021-02-16T21:55:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z","c|Cunard|2021-02-21T01:12:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z","c|ScottishFinnishRadish|2021-02-26T14:30:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z","author":"Barkeep49"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Star Mississippi|2021-02-16T21:55:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span>Draftify</b> per DGG. The topic is notable, but the content needs some workshopping. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi" title="User talk:Star Mississippi"><b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">StarM</b></a> 21:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Star Mississippi|2021-02-16T21:55:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-16T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Star Mississippi"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Star Mississippi|2021-02-16T21:55:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Cunard|2021-02-21T01:12:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> The subject passes <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline</a> and <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)#Primary_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)">Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria</a> through the sources found by Walter Görlitz. Per <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_policy#Wikipedia_is_a_work_in_progress:_perfection_is_not_required" title="Wikipedia:Editing policy">Wikipedia:Editing policy#Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required</a>, "Collaborative editing means that incomplete or poorly written first drafts can evolve over time into excellent articles. Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome." The article has promotional wording but it is not sufficiently promotional that it should be deleted from mainspace. <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equal_Education&oldid=378533564">The initial 13:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC) version of the article</a> is not promotional and can be reverted to if the current version of the article is deemed to be too promotional. I prefer that the article be improved while it is in mainspace instead of being moved to draftspace where if unedited for six months, it would be deleted under <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:G13" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G13">Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G13. Abandoned Drafts and Articles for creation submissions</a>. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cunard&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Cunard (page does not exist)">Cunard</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cunard" title="User talk:Cunard">talk</a>) 01:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Cunard|2021-02-21T01:12:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-21T01:12:00.000Z","author":"Cunard"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Cunard|2021-02-21T01:12:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ScottishFinnishRadish|2021-02-26T14:30:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b> or Draftify as second choice. There are enough sources to establish notability, but the article does need work. <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ScottishFinnishRadish&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish (page does not exist)">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) 14:30, 26 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ScottishFinnishRadish|2021-02-26T14:30:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-26T14:30:00.000Z","author":"ScottishFinnishRadish"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ScottishFinnishRadish|2021-02-26T14:30:00.000Z|Barkeep49|2021-02-16T21:40:00.000Z"></span></li></ul>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2021-02-24T19:24:00.000Z|Heading_with_a_"_quote"></span>Test. <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 19:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2021-02-24T19:24:00.000Z|Heading_with_a_\"_quote","replies":[],"timestamp":"2021-02-24T19:24:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2021-02-24T19:24:00.000Z|Heading_with_a_"_quote"></span>
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</p><p><i>Le journal est édité par le groupe Le Monde, détenu depuis 2010 à 64 % par la société Le Monde libre, elle-même contrôlée par les hommes d'affaires Xavier Niel, Pierre Bergé et Matthieu Pigasse.</i>
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</p><p>C'est un fait que Pierre Berge etant mort, il n'a aucun controle sur Le Monde libre et sur rien du tout. Ses actions passees peuvent inclurent d'avoir eu un controle sur cette societe, de l'avoir creee ou d'y avoir juste participe. Mais dire qu'il a un controle dessus et conjuguer ca au present est factuellement faux et doit etre enleve ou modifie pour etre adapte a la realite.
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</p><p>Cordialement <small class="plainlinks">— <i>Le message qui précède, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Signature/r%C3%A9sum%C3%A9" title="Aide:Signature/résumé">non signé</a>, a été déposé par l'<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Utilisateur_sous_IP" title="Wikipédia:Utilisateur sous IP">IP</a></i> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542" title="Spécial:Contributions/2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542">2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542" title="Discussion utilisateur:2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542">discuter</a>), le <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion:Le_Monde&diff=prev&oldid=141369221">9 octobre 2017 à 14:39 (CEST)</a></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z|Mort_de_Pierre_Berge","replies":["c|Chicraz|2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z","c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z","author":"2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z|Mort_de_Pierre_Berge"></span>
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</p><p>Cordialement <small class="plainlinks">— <i>Le message qui précède, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Signature/r%C3%A9sum%C3%A9" title="Aide:Signature/résumé">non signé</a>, a été déposé par l'<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Utilisateur_sous_IP" title="Wikipédia:Utilisateur sous IP">IP</a></i> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542" title="Spécial:Contributions/2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542">2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542" title="Discussion utilisateur:2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542">discuter</a>), le <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion:Le_Monde&diff=prev&oldid=141369221">9 octobre 2017 à 14:39 (CEST)</a></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z|Mort_de_Pierre_Berge","replies":["c|Chicraz|2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z","c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z","author":"2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z|Mort_de_Pierre_Berge"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Chicraz|2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"></span>Bonjour, j'ai annulé votre modification car si Pierre Bergé est bien mort, les actions qu'il détenait n'ont pas disparu pour autant. Car je parlais évidemment de ses <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(finance)" title="Action (finance)">actions</a> au sens de ses titres de propriété. Il ne convient pas de supprimer Bergé des actionnaires, car cela laisserait croire que Niel et Pigasse sont seuls à détenir le journal via <i>Le Monde libre</i>, ce qui n'est pas le cas. J'ai remplacé par "les héritiers de Pierre Bergé". A suivre en fonction de ce que ceux-ci feront des actions du journal. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Chicraz" title="Utilisateur:Chicraz">Chicraz</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Chicraz" title="Discussion utilisateur:Chicraz">discuter</a>) 9 octobre 2017 à 17:16 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Chicraz|2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z","author":"Chicraz"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Chicraz|2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"></span>Merci d'avoir tenu compte de ma remarque. Il semble que les parts de Le Monde Libre Holding anciennement detenues Pierre Berge ne soient pas detenues par les heritiers de Pierre Berge (son mari Madison Cox ?), mais par Niel et Pigasse: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2017/09/08/les-parts-de-pierre-berge-dans-le-monde-seront-reprises-par-le-duo-xavier-niel-et-matthieu-pigasse_a_23201838/">http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2017/09/08/les-parts-de-pierre-berge-dans-le-monde-seront-reprises-par-le-duo-xavier-niel-et-matthieu-pigasse_a_23201838/</a> <small class="plainlinks">— <i>Le message qui précède, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Signature/r%C3%A9sum%C3%A9" title="Aide:Signature/résumé">non signé</a>, a été déposé par l'<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Utilisateur_sous_IP" title="Wikipédia:Utilisateur sous IP">IP</a></i> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542" title="Spécial:Contributions/2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542">2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542" title="Discussion utilisateur:2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542">discuter</a>), le <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion:Le_Monde&diff=prev&oldid=141380989">9 octobre 2017 à 21:11 (CEST)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z","replies":["c|Chicraz|2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z","author":"2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Chicraz|2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z"></span>L'article a été mis à jour de cette information. Bonne journée --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Chicraz" title="Utilisateur:Chicraz">Chicraz</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Chicraz" title="Discussion utilisateur:Chicraz">discuter</a>) 10 octobre 2017 à 10:04 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Chicraz|2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z","author":"Chicraz"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Chicraz|2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Chicraz|2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"></span>Bonjour, j'ai annulé votre modification car si Pierre Bergé est bien mort, les actions qu'il détenait n'ont pas disparu pour autant. Car je parlais évidemment de ses <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(finance)" title="Action (finance)">actions</a> au sens de ses titres de propriété. Il ne convient pas de supprimer Bergé des actionnaires, car cela laisserait croire que Niel et Pigasse sont seuls à détenir le journal via <i>Le Monde libre</i>, ce qui n'est pas le cas. J'ai remplacé par "les héritiers de Pierre Bergé". A suivre en fonction de ce que ceux-ci feront des actions du journal. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Chicraz" title="Utilisateur:Chicraz">Chicraz</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Chicraz" title="Discussion utilisateur:Chicraz">discuter</a>) 9 octobre 2017 à 17:16 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Chicraz|2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z","author":"Chicraz"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Chicraz|2017-10-09T15:16:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"></span>Merci d'avoir tenu compte de ma remarque. Il semble que les parts de Le Monde Libre Holding anciennement detenues Pierre Berge ne soient pas detenues par les heritiers de Pierre Berge (son mari Madison Cox ?), mais par Niel et Pigasse: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2017/09/08/les-parts-de-pierre-berge-dans-le-monde-seront-reprises-par-le-duo-xavier-niel-et-matthieu-pigasse_a_23201838/">http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2017/09/08/les-parts-de-pierre-berge-dans-le-monde-seront-reprises-par-le-duo-xavier-niel-et-matthieu-pigasse_a_23201838/</a> <small class="plainlinks">— <i>Le message qui précède, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Signature/r%C3%A9sum%C3%A9" title="Aide:Signature/résumé">non signé</a>, a été déposé par l'<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Utilisateur_sous_IP" title="Wikipédia:Utilisateur sous IP">IP</a></i> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542" title="Spécial:Contributions/2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542">2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542" title="Discussion utilisateur:2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542">discuter</a>), le <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion:Le_Monde&diff=prev&oldid=141380989">9 octobre 2017 à 21:11 (CEST)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T12:39:00.000Z","replies":["c|Chicraz|2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z","author":"2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Chicraz|2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z"></span>L'article a été mis à jour de cette information. Bonne journée --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Chicraz" title="Utilisateur:Chicraz">Chicraz</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Chicraz" title="Discussion utilisateur:Chicraz">discuter</a>) 10 octobre 2017 à 10:04 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Chicraz|2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z","author":"Chicraz"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Chicraz|2017-10-10T08:04:00.000Z|2A02:8109:8900:5C14:C953:3DDA:E3FB:3542|2017-10-09T19:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id=".22Position_du_Monde_dans_l.27espace_politique_fran.C3.A7ais.22"></span><span class="mw-headline" id=""Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_français"" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|\"Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_fran\u00e7ais\"|2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z","replies":["c|20 century boy|2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z|\"Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_fran\u00e7ais\""],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|"Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_français"|2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z"></span>"Position du Monde dans l'espace politique français"<span data-mw-comment-end="h|"Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_français"|2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|20 century boy|2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z|"Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_français""></span>Cette partie est vraiment particulière… Autant la phase "historico-contextuelle" est défendable, autant la partie sur Sarkozy, les positions hostiles etc… ne l'est pas. Il y a débat. Je pense que l'on devrait, par soucis de neutralité ne pas en parler. Je la supprime donc et laisse une archive ici au cas où quelqu'un voudrait la rajouter avec un argumentaire solide.
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</p><p>"En 2007, à l'approche des élections présidentielles, dans un éditorial daté du 3 mai, le directeur de la publication Jean-Marie Colombani lance un appel à voter pour la candidate socialiste Ségolène Royal. La principale raison invoquée est la situation désastreuse dans laquelle le Parti socialiste se trouverait en cas d'échec[réf. nécessaire]. La « conception revancharde de l'histoire » du candidat UMP, Nicolas Sarkozy, vainqueur de l'élection, est également dénoncée. Depuis, le journal adopta fréquemment des positions hostiles à la politique du président Sarkozy et de son gouvernement[réf. nécessaire]."
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<dl><dd>Effectivement, je ne vois pas ce qui peut bien classer le monde comme journal de centre gauche... Hubert Beuve-Méry était franchement à droite ( De Gaulle n'était pas de centre-droit, hein...) il aurait créer un journal qui suivait une autre tendance? Je suis de loin le journal mais je ne vois aucun élements factuels qui le rapprocherait du centre gauche... ou alors c'est la société qui a dévié tellement à droite que le monde, journal de droite est devenu de centre gauche? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:20_century_boy" title="Utilisateur:20 century boy">20 century boy</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:20_century_boy" title="Discussion utilisateur:20 century boy">discuter</a>) 6 octobre 2014 à 12:29 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|20 century boy|2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z|\"Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_fran\u00e7ais\"","replies":[],"timestamp":"2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z","author":"20 century boy"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|20 century boy|2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z|"Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_français""></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>Effectivement, je ne vois pas ce qui peut bien classer le monde comme journal de centre gauche... Hubert Beuve-Méry était franchement à droite ( De Gaulle n'était pas de centre-droit, hein...) il aurait créer un journal qui suivait une autre tendance? Je suis de loin le journal mais je ne vois aucun élements factuels qui le rapprocherait du centre gauche... ou alors c'est la société qui a dévié tellement à droite que le monde, journal de droite est devenu de centre gauche? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:20_century_boy" title="Utilisateur:20 century boy">20 century boy</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:20_century_boy" title="Discussion utilisateur:20 century boy">discuter</a>) 6 octobre 2014 à 12:29 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|20 century boy|2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z|\"Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_fran\u00e7ais\"","replies":[],"timestamp":"2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z","author":"20 century boy"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|20 century boy|2014-10-06T10:29:00.000Z|"Position_du_Monde_dans_l'espace_politique_français""></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Description_de_l.27organisation"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Description_de_l'organisation" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Description_de_l'organisation","replies":[],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Description_de_l'organisation"></span>Description de l'organisation<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Description_de_l'organisation"></span></span></h2>
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<p>La description rubrique par rubrique date un peu (2 ans je pense), elle est à revoir
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3) Il n'est pas tenable de n'avoir pas dans Wikipedia une entrée consacrée à l'EUMC, même si les travaux officiels de l'EUMC ne sont pas encore traduits en français sur le site officiel dépendant des Communautés européennes (Union européenne).<br/>
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<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Frdm" title="Utilisateur:Frdm">Frdm</a> 8 août 2005 à 21:37-22:40 (CEST)
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<dl><dd>Le problème est simple : existe-t-il des sources extérieures à l'EUMC permettant d'écrire un article appuyé sur des sources fiables et vérifiables ? -- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bokken" title="Utilisateur:Bokken">Bokken</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Bokken" title="Discussion utilisateur:Bokken">木刀</a> 24 avril 2009 à 09:27 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Bokken|2009-04-24T07:27:00.000Z|Affaire_condamnation_du_Monde_pour_\u00abdiffamation_raciale\u00bb_:_Suggestion_de_nouve","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-04-24T07:27:00.000Z","author":"Bokken"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bokken|2009-04-24T07:27:00.000Z|Affaire_condamnation_du_Monde_pour_«diffamation_raciale»_:_Suggestion_de_nouve"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>Le problème est simple : existe-t-il des sources extérieures à l'EUMC permettant d'écrire un article appuyé sur des sources fiables et vérifiables ? -- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bokken" title="Utilisateur:Bokken">Bokken</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Bokken" title="Discussion utilisateur:Bokken">木刀</a> 24 avril 2009 à 09:27 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Bokken|2009-04-24T07:27:00.000Z|Affaire_condamnation_du_Monde_pour_\u00abdiffamation_raciale\u00bb_:_Suggestion_de_nouve","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-04-24T07:27:00.000Z","author":"Bokken"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bokken|2009-04-24T07:27:00.000Z|Affaire_condamnation_du_Monde_pour_«diffamation_raciale»_:_Suggestion_de_nouve"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Lorsque_je_fait_un_ajout..." data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Lorsque_je_fait_un_ajout...","replies":[],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Lorsque_je_fait_un_ajout..."></span>Lorsque je fait un ajout...<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Lorsque_je_fait_un_ajout..."></span></span></h2>
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<p>...il est supprimé sans discussion c'est à l'image du monde mais pas de wikipedia c'est dommage.
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</p><p>> Vous avez une image tordue et déformé du Monde, cher monsieur. Vous êtes aveuglé par vos certitudes... apprises, dictées, ou autre (rayer la mention inutile ? Injurier le dernier journal qui ne soit pas sous contrôle...
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<p>L'arrêt de condamnation d'Edgar Morin et Société éditrice du quotidien Le Monde, rendu le 26 mai 2005 par la Cour d'appel de Versailles, pour diffamation raciale en matière d'antisémitisme, est disponible aux adresses:
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<h2><span id="Date_des_num.C3.A9ros"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Date_des_numéros" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Date_des_num\u00e9ros|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z","replies":["c|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z|Date_des_num\u00e9ros"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Date_des_numéros|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z"></span>Date des numéros<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Date_des_numéros|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z|Date_des_numéros"></span>Si un article du <i>Monde</i> en ligne dit par exemple: Le Monde, 29 octobre 2002, et en bas: article paru dans l'édition du 30 octobre 2002, laquelle des deux dates faut-il citer comme deate de l'article ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Apokrif" title="Utilisateur:Apokrif">Apokrif</a> 4 août 2006 à 19:49 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z|Date_des_num\u00e9ros","replies":["c|Mhon|2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z","author":"Apokrif"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z|Date_des_numéros"></span>Si un article du <i>Monde</i> en ligne dit par exemple: Le Monde, 29 octobre 2002, et en bas: article paru dans l'édition du 30 octobre 2002, laquelle des deux dates faut-il citer comme deate de l'article ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Apokrif" title="Utilisateur:Apokrif">Apokrif</a> 4 août 2006 à 19:49 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z|Date_des_num\u00e9ros","replies":["c|Mhon|2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z","author":"Apokrif"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mhon|2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z"></span>La seconde. D'une manière générale, toutes les éditions (papier ou électronique) du Monde paraissent la veille de leur date d'édition (sic). <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Mhon" title="Utilisateur:Mhon">Mhon</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Mhon" title="Discussion utilisateur:Mhon"><small>(discuter)</small></a> 7 août 2006 à 15:53 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Mhon|2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z","author":"Mhon"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mhon|2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mhon|2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z"></span>La seconde. D'une manière générale, toutes les éditions (papier ou électronique) du Monde paraissent la veille de leur date d'édition (sic). <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Mhon" title="Utilisateur:Mhon">Mhon</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Mhon" title="Discussion utilisateur:Mhon"><small>(discuter)</small></a> 7 août 2006 à 15:53 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Mhon|2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z","author":"Mhon"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mhon|2006-08-07T13:53:00.000Z|Apokrif|2006-08-04T17:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Centre_gauche_.3F"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Centre_gauche_?" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Centre_gauche_?|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z","replies":["c|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z|Centre_gauche_?"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Centre_gauche_?|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z"></span>Centre gauche ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Centre_gauche_?|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z|Centre_gauche_?"></span>Bonjour. Suite à une très récente contribution « vandale » d'une IP repositionnant ce journal de <i>centre gauche</i> à <i>droite</i> sur l'échiquier politique, j'ai cherché à savoir d'où venait ce positionnement initial. C'est <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Spedona" title="Utilisateur:Spedona">Spedona</a> qui avait <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Le_Monde&diff=next&oldid=1073742">introduit cela</a> il y a maintenant presque 2 ans. Sans source. Je sais que c'est une idée assez répandue, mais il y a-t-il une revendication quelconque du journal sur ce point ? Ou alors une source digne de confiance ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Mhon" title="Utilisateur:Mhon">Mhon</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Mhon" title="Discussion utilisateur:Mhon"><small>(discuter)</small></a> 14 août 2006 à 12:03 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z|Centre_gauche_?","replies":["c|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z","author":"Mhon"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z|Centre_gauche_?"></span>Bonjour. Suite à une très récente contribution « vandale » d'une IP repositionnant ce journal de <i>centre gauche</i> à <i>droite</i> sur l'échiquier politique, j'ai cherché à savoir d'où venait ce positionnement initial. C'est <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Spedona" title="Utilisateur:Spedona">Spedona</a> qui avait <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Le_Monde&diff=next&oldid=1073742">introduit cela</a> il y a maintenant presque 2 ans. Sans source. Je sais que c'est une idée assez répandue, mais il y a-t-il une revendication quelconque du journal sur ce point ? Ou alors une source digne de confiance ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Mhon" title="Utilisateur:Mhon">Mhon</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Mhon" title="Discussion utilisateur:Mhon"><small>(discuter)</small></a> 14 août 2006 à 12:03 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z|Centre_gauche_?","replies":["c|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z","author":"Mhon"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z"></span>Personnellement, je suis toujours mal à l'aise avec la catégorisation gauche/droite sur Wikipédia. Il s'agit de quelque chose d'incroyablement subjectif dont la signification peut varier énormément selon la personne, le pays, le contexte, etc. J'ai révoqué la modification de l'IP parce que non justifiée, mais je préférerais voir des exemples de positions éditioriales prises par le journal plutôt qu'une simple catégorisation gauche/droite (qui idéalement devrait disparaître complètement) ce qui laisserait le lecteur tirer ses propres conclusions ; il me semble que ce serait également souhaitable dans toute l'encyclopédie, même si ça exige un travail de recherche plus grand. Pour ce qui est du <i>Monde</i>, je lis très rarement ce journal (je n'habite pas en Europe, après tout), alors je devrai laisser ce travail à d'autres qui connaissent davantage le sujet. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Utilisateur:Digging.holes">DH</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Discussion utilisateur:Digging.holes">2¢</a> | 15 août 2006 à 02:28 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z","replies":["c|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z","author":"Digging.holes"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z"></span>Personnellement, je suis toujours mal à l'aise avec la catégorisation gauche/droite sur Wikipédia. Il s'agit de quelque chose d'incroyablement subjectif dont la signification peut varier énormément selon la personne, le pays, le contexte, etc. J'ai révoqué la modification de l'IP parce que non justifiée, mais je préférerais voir des exemples de positions éditioriales prises par le journal plutôt qu'une simple catégorisation gauche/droite (qui idéalement devrait disparaître complètement) ce qui laisserait le lecteur tirer ses propres conclusions ; il me semble que ce serait également souhaitable dans toute l'encyclopédie, même si ça exige un travail de recherche plus grand. Pour ce qui est du <i>Monde</i>, je lis très rarement ce journal (je n'habite pas en Europe, après tout), alors je devrai laisser ce travail à d'autres qui connaissent davantage le sujet. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Utilisateur:Digging.holes">DH</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Discussion utilisateur:Digging.holes">2¢</a> | 15 août 2006 à 02:28 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z","replies":["c|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z","author":"Digging.holes"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Ok, derière ma question, je pensais un peu la même chose. À y réfléchir un peu plus, c'est clairement non neutre comme affirmation. Je vire. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Mhon" title="Utilisateur:Mhon">Mhon</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Mhon" title="Discussion utilisateur:Mhon"><small>(discuter)</small></a> 15 août 2006 à 13:24 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z","replies":["c|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z","author":"Mhon"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z"></span>Voila donc <i>Le Monde</i> flottant dans l'espace politique français sans qu'on sache vers où il penche, il y a pourtant des indices dans l'article même. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Spedona" title="Utilisateur:Spedona">Spedona</a> 25 août 2006 à 23:19 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z","replies":["c|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z","author":"Spedona"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z"></span>Le problème c'est que les termes gauche-centre-droite sont relatifs par définition et sont régulièrement abusés dans les discours politiques, à tel point qu'ils n'ont aucune signification objective (ce qui n'est pas encore le cas, par exemple, des qualificatifs plus précis comme conservateur, libéral, socialiste, progressiste, altermondialiste, etc.) Vaut mieux donner les maximum d'informations concrètes et laisser le lecteur en tirer sa conclusion. Après tout, pour quelqu'un de gauche, un centriste est à droite, tandis que pour quelqu'un de droite, le même centriste est à gauche... <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Utilisateur:Digging.holes">DH</a> ▪ <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Discussion utilisateur:Digging.holes">2¢</a> ▪ 26 août 2006 à 00:39 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z","author":"Digging.holes"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z"></span>Si c'est si relatif, comment fait-on pour qualifier <i>Le Figaro</i> de droite et centre-droite ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Spedona" title="Utilisateur:Spedona">Spedona</a> 26 août 2006 à 09:12 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z","replies":["c|Digging.holes|2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z","author":"Spedona"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z"></span>Idéalement, il faudrait modifier l'article sur <i><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Figaro" title="Le Figaro">Le Figaro</a></i> également. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Utilisateur:Digging.holes">DH</a> ▪ <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Discussion utilisateur:Digging.holes">2¢</a> ▪ 26 août 2006 à 19:28 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c|Digging.holes|2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z","author":"Digging.holes"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z"></span>Ok, derière ma question, je pensais un peu la même chose. À y réfléchir un peu plus, c'est clairement non neutre comme affirmation. Je vire. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Mhon" title="Utilisateur:Mhon">Mhon</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Mhon" title="Discussion utilisateur:Mhon"><small>(discuter)</small></a> 15 août 2006 à 13:24 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z","replies":["c|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z","author":"Mhon"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z"></span>Voila donc <i>Le Monde</i> flottant dans l'espace politique français sans qu'on sache vers où il penche, il y a pourtant des indices dans l'article même. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Spedona" title="Utilisateur:Spedona">Spedona</a> 25 août 2006 à 23:19 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z","replies":["c|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z","author":"Spedona"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z"></span>Le problème c'est que les termes gauche-centre-droite sont relatifs par définition et sont régulièrement abusés dans les discours politiques, à tel point qu'ils n'ont aucune signification objective (ce qui n'est pas encore le cas, par exemple, des qualificatifs plus précis comme conservateur, libéral, socialiste, progressiste, altermondialiste, etc.) Vaut mieux donner les maximum d'informations concrètes et laisser le lecteur en tirer sa conclusion. Après tout, pour quelqu'un de gauche, un centriste est à droite, tandis que pour quelqu'un de droite, le même centriste est à gauche... <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Utilisateur:Digging.holes">DH</a> ▪ <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Discussion utilisateur:Digging.holes">2¢</a> ▪ 26 août 2006 à 00:39 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z","author":"Digging.holes"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z"></span>Si c'est si relatif, comment fait-on pour qualifier <i>Le Figaro</i> de droite et centre-droite ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Spedona" title="Utilisateur:Spedona">Spedona</a> 26 août 2006 à 09:12 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z","replies":["c|Digging.holes|2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z","author":"Spedona"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z"></span>Idéalement, il faudrait modifier l'article sur <i><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Figaro" title="Le Figaro">Le Figaro</a></i> également. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Utilisateur:Digging.holes">DH</a> ▪ <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Digging.holes" title="Discussion utilisateur:Digging.holes">2¢</a> ▪ 26 août 2006 à 19:28 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c|Digging.holes|2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z","author":"Digging.holes"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-26T17:28:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Spedona|2006-08-26T07:12:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-25T22:39:00.000Z|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Spedona|2006-08-25T21:19:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mhon|2006-08-15T11:24:00.000Z|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Digging.holes|2006-08-15T00:28:00.000Z|Mhon|2006-08-14T10:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<p>Sinon, il est aussi possible d'indiquer que Beuve-méry a soutenu de Gaulle en 1958, contre une partie de sa rédaction (cf. Jacques Thibau et P. Eveno) ; qu'il (notamment Jacques Fauvet et Jacques Sauvageot) a activement soutenu la candidature de Mitterrand en 1980-1981 (voir sur point le livre de J.G. Padioleau, Le monde et le Washington post - Précepteurs et mousquetaires, Paris, Puf : 1985), puis qu'il a soutenu celle d'Edouard Balladur.
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="rm_bavardage" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|rm_bavardage|2007-02-01T09:43:00.000Z","replies":["c|David.Monniaux|2007-02-01T09:43:00.000Z|rm_bavardage"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|rm_bavardage|2007-02-01T09:43:00.000Z"></span>rm bavardage<span data-mw-comment-end="h|rm_bavardage|2007-02-01T09:43:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|David.Monniaux|2007-02-01T09:43:00.000Z|rm_bavardage"></span>J'ai viré plusieurs paragraphes qui contenaient du bavardage orienté (en faveur du Monde) et sans sources. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:David.Monniaux" title="Utilisateur:David.Monniaux">David.Monniaux</a> 1 février 2007 à 10:43 (CET)
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>>>> Commentaire : cela ne m'étonne pas, vous préférez laisser les assertions orientées contre Le Monde. Péan l'aboyeur mercenaire payé par les défenseurs du secret d'Etat... Vous serez le premier à regretter Le Monde quand il disparaitra.<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|David.Monniaux|2007-02-01T09:43:00.000Z|rm_bavardage","replies":[],"timestamp":"2007-02-01T09:43:00.000Z","author":"David.Monniaux"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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>>>> Commentaire : cela ne m'étonne pas, vous préférez laisser les assertions orientées contre Le Monde. Péan l'aboyeur mercenaire payé par les défenseurs du secret d'Etat... Vous serez le premier à regretter Le Monde quand il disparaitra.<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|David.Monniaux|2007-02-01T09:43:00.000Z|rm_bavardage","replies":[],"timestamp":"2007-02-01T09:43:00.000Z","author":"David.Monniaux"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<h2><span id="une_notice_m.C3.A9diodre"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="une_notice_médiodre" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|une_notice_m\u00e9diodre","replies":[],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|une_notice_médiodre"></span>une notice médiodre<span data-mw-comment-end="h|une_notice_médiodre"></span></span></h2>
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<p>Il n'y a rien à tirer de cette notice, qui est ni faite ni à faire. J'entends déjà la rengaine : "Qu'à cela ne tienne, prend ton clavier à deux mains, mon coco, et fais profiter de ta suffisance et de ton savoir sûrement immense la collectivité". Eh bien non : que ladite collectivité se contente de l'écume de l'histoire et que, si le sujet l'intéresse, elle se rende dans n'importe quelle bibliothèque pour lire un des livres - ô certes aucun n'est parfait, loin s'en faut, mais à mille pieds au-dessus de la médiocrité vaguement polémique de cette article... - cité en bibliographie.
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<ul><li>grosse suspicion de plagiat ;</li>
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<p>Est-ce que Le Monde surveille ses journalistes et les forme ? Aussi, la direction afaisant le dans ces cas <b>choix du spectaculaire, au détriment de la qualité</b>, ne devrait-on pas le mettre en echos de cet article de <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3236,36-996204@51-996263,0.html">cet article</a> de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Kahn" title="Jean-François Kahn">Jean-François Kahn</a>, critiquant l'orientation commerciale et ses effet nefaste dans les journaux ? Et vu que c'est un choix de la direction : qu'elle l'assume pleinement, et que ce soit donc clairement dit dans l'article, avec des sources (comme <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.maneu.fr/archives/357">ceci</a> ; l'experience d'Anthere sur son blog, etc.). <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/140.122.97.4" title="Spécial:Contributions/140.122.97.4">140.122.97.4</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:140.122.97.4" title="Discussion utilisateur:140.122.97.4">d</a>) 7 janvier 2008 à 07:27 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|140.122.97.4|2008-01-07T06:27:00.000Z|Le_Monde_:_parfois_poubelle","replies":[],"timestamp":"2008-01-07T06:27:00.000Z","author":"140.122.97.4"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p>Est-ce que Le Monde surveille ses journalistes et les forme ? Aussi, la direction afaisant le dans ces cas <b>choix du spectaculaire, au détriment de la qualité</b>, ne devrait-on pas le mettre en echos de cet article de <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3236,36-996204@51-996263,0.html">cet article</a> de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Kahn" title="Jean-François Kahn">Jean-François Kahn</a>, critiquant l'orientation commerciale et ses effet nefaste dans les journaux ? Et vu que c'est un choix de la direction : qu'elle l'assume pleinement, et que ce soit donc clairement dit dans l'article, avec des sources (comme <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.maneu.fr/archives/357">ceci</a> ; l'experience d'Anthere sur son blog, etc.). <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/140.122.97.4" title="Spécial:Contributions/140.122.97.4">140.122.97.4</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:140.122.97.4" title="Discussion utilisateur:140.122.97.4">d</a>) 7 janvier 2008 à 07:27 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|140.122.97.4|2008-01-07T06:27:00.000Z|Le_Monde_:_parfois_poubelle","replies":[],"timestamp":"2008-01-07T06:27:00.000Z","author":"140.122.97.4"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<h2><span id="Notes_et_r.C3.A9f.C3.A9rences"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Notes_et_références" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Notes_et_r\u00e9f\u00e9rences","replies":[],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Notes_et_références"></span>Notes et références<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Notes_et_références"></span></span></h2>
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<p>Il me semble indispensable de mentionner la thèse de Patrick Eveno <i></i>
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<h2><span id="Pol.C3.A9mique_et_BHL"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Polémique_et_BHL" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Pol\u00e9mique_et_BHL|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z|Pol\u00e9mique_et_BHL","c|Cchantep|2008-09-03T16:46:00.000Z|Pol\u00e9mique_et_BHL"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Polémique_et_BHL|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z"></span>Polémique et BHL<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Polémique_et_BHL|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Utilisateur:Ahbon?"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z|Polémique_et_BHL"></span>Utilisateur:Ahbon?</a> persiste à mettre la polémique entourant le recit du voyage de BHL en Ossétie ds une rubrique plus large des polémique du Monde et entre dans un conflit d'éditions potentiel. C'est a mon avis tout a fait inapproprié dans le sens où les « Témoignages » ou « Opinions » publiés dans le Monde <b>n'engagent que leurs auteurs pas le journal</b>. Et la réponse du médiateur du Monde (que je n'ai pas lue) ne justifie en rien d'impliquer Le Monde dans les raccourcis et prises de positions de BHL. Cette partie doit etre supprimée de cette page, ama, et a toute sa place sur la page de BHL.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 2 septembre 2008 à 13:36 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z|Pol\u00e9mique_et_BHL","replies":["c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Utilisateur:Ahbon?"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z|Polémique_et_BHL"></span>Utilisateur:Ahbon?</a> persiste à mettre la polémique entourant le recit du voyage de BHL en Ossétie ds une rubrique plus large des polémique du Monde et entre dans un conflit d'éditions potentiel. C'est a mon avis tout a fait inapproprié dans le sens où les « Témoignages » ou « Opinions » publiés dans le Monde <b>n'engagent que leurs auteurs pas le journal</b>. Et la réponse du médiateur du Monde (que je n'ai pas lue) ne justifie en rien d'impliquer Le Monde dans les raccourcis et prises de positions de BHL. Cette partie doit etre supprimée de cette page, ama, et a toute sa place sur la page de BHL.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 2 septembre 2008 à 13:36 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z|Pol\u00e9mique_et_BHL","replies":["c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z"></span>D'une part, <i>Le Monde</i> est responsable de qui il invite. Un journal prestigieux accrédite les propos qui sont tenus à l'intérieur, même s'ils ne sont "que" des témoignages. En outre, la publication par <i>Le Monde</i> de ce témoignage a fait boule de neige, le quotidien de référence français ayant été imité par la presse internationale, posant de sérieuses questions au niveau de la crédibilité de l'information en général - débat auquel <i>Le Monde</i>, de par son statut, ne peut échapper.</dd>
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<dd>Cette question fait débat, notamment entre <i>Rue 89</i> et le médiateur du <i>Monde</i>, qui s'abrite précisément derrière cet argument pour dédouaner <i>Le Monde</i>. D'autre part, LPLT et Mons affirment que cet exemple est anecdotique au regard d'évènements semblables: citez-en d'autres, alors, plus parlant! Enfin, la section "Critiques" est sous-développée, donc cet exemple prend une valeur accrue. PS: je rajoute le lien vers l'article du médiateur. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Utilisateur:Ahbon?">Ahbon?</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Discussion utilisateur:Ahbon?">d</a>) 3 septembre 2008 à 12:45 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z","author":"Ahbon?"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z"></span>Plusieurs points doivent etre éclaircis : non dans une rubrique « opinion » ou « témoignage » un journal n'est pas responsable des propos ou affirmation des auteurs des articles : il ouvre ses colonnes un point c'est tout. <u>BHL signe son article seul, pas un journaliste du monde ou Le Monde lui-meme</u>, donc vos ajouts n'ont pas lieu d'etre. Les erreurs, imprécisions, affabulations voire mensonges de BHL n'ont pas a etre imputés au Monde mais a BHL seul et c'est bien de cela que traite l'<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.rue89.com/2008/08/22/bhl-na-pas-vu-toutes-ses-choses-vues-en-georgie">article de rue89</a> : il n'y a aucune accusation du journal, de sa ligne éditorial, ou de la publication de l'article, mais des propos de BHL. Vous distordez l'article complètement pour attaquer le Monde. Vos ajouts ne sont absolument pas fidele au contenu de la polémique et sont PoV envers le Monde. Enfin votre guerre d'édition avec 2 contributeurs sans justification ou discussion, et lente reaction au dialogue ne sont pas favorables au maintien de cette affaire qui ne concerne <b>pas le journal mais BHL</b> : qu'elle prenne toute sa place sur sa page, mais pas là. En consèquence, si vous ne cessez pas cela, je vais demander l'intervention d'un wikipompier ou d'un administrateur sur cette page. Cordialement--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 3 septembre 2008 à 13:04 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z","replies":["c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dd>Cette question fait débat, notamment entre <i>Rue 89</i> et le médiateur du <i>Monde</i>, qui s'abrite précisément derrière cet argument pour dédouaner <i>Le Monde</i>. D'autre part, LPLT et Mons affirment que cet exemple est anecdotique au regard d'évènements semblables: citez-en d'autres, alors, plus parlant! Enfin, la section "Critiques" est sous-développée, donc cet exemple prend une valeur accrue. PS: je rajoute le lien vers l'article du médiateur. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Utilisateur:Ahbon?">Ahbon?</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Discussion utilisateur:Ahbon?">d</a>) 3 septembre 2008 à 12:45 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z","author":"Ahbon?"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-02T11:36:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z"></span>Plusieurs points doivent etre éclaircis : non dans une rubrique « opinion » ou « témoignage » un journal n'est pas responsable des propos ou affirmation des auteurs des articles : il ouvre ses colonnes un point c'est tout. <u>BHL signe son article seul, pas un journaliste du monde ou Le Monde lui-meme</u>, donc vos ajouts n'ont pas lieu d'etre. Les erreurs, imprécisions, affabulations voire mensonges de BHL n'ont pas a etre imputés au Monde mais a BHL seul et c'est bien de cela que traite l'<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.rue89.com/2008/08/22/bhl-na-pas-vu-toutes-ses-choses-vues-en-georgie">article de rue89</a> : il n'y a aucune accusation du journal, de sa ligne éditorial, ou de la publication de l'article, mais des propos de BHL. Vous distordez l'article complètement pour attaquer le Monde. Vos ajouts ne sont absolument pas fidele au contenu de la polémique et sont PoV envers le Monde. Enfin votre guerre d'édition avec 2 contributeurs sans justification ou discussion, et lente reaction au dialogue ne sont pas favorables au maintien de cette affaire qui ne concerne <b>pas le journal mais BHL</b> : qu'elle prenne toute sa place sur sa page, mais pas là. En consèquence, si vous ne cessez pas cela, je vais demander l'intervention d'un wikipompier ou d'un administrateur sur cette page. Cordialement--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 3 septembre 2008 à 13:04 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z","replies":["c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T10:45:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z"></span>La chronique de la médiatrice du <i>Monde</i> commence ainsi: "<i>Le Monde a-t-il publié un article mensonger ? C'est l'une des accusations les plus graves que l'on puisse porter contre un journal. C'est pourtant la question que nous posent les lecteurs, alertés par l'Internet.</i>" et continue en affirmant "Il fallait en avoir le coeur net. D'autant que <i>la crédibilité du Monde n'est pas seule en cause</i> : le Corriere della Sera (Italie), El Mundo (Espagne), l'Expressen (Suède), le Huffington Post (Etats-Unis) et la Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (Allemagne) ont tous publié ce récit, assorti, pour la dernière, d'un éditorial expliquant pourquoi les critiques émises par Rue89 ne lui semblaient pas pertinentes.". <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/2008/08/30/gori-brule-t-il-par-veronique-maurus_1089643_0.html">Gori brûle-t-il?</a></dd>
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<dd>Contrairement à vous, la médiatrice du Monde affirme bien que c'est la crédibilité du quotidien qui est en jeu, avant d'affirmer que celle-ci est sauvée, puisque ce serait un "détail" de savoir s'il y avait 30 ou 100 véhicules, "De même pour le braquage d'une voiture sur la route de Gori", autre détail (inventé ou pas par BHL), de même aussi "l'odeur de putréfaction", qui serait "subjective", tandis que dire qu'on a atteint Gori alors qu'en fait on est resté dans les faubourgs, ce n'est pas grave non plus.</dd>
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<dd>Le problème, dès lors, pour Wikipédia, n'est pas de savoir si ces faits rapportés par BHL sont, ou non, des "détails" (on pourrait ironiser dans ce cas, puisque tout son article ne contiendrait que des détails), mais si des observateurs indépendants (pas nous autres Wikipédiens) ont considéré qu'il s'agissait d'un événement mettant en cause Le Monde. Or, le journal concerné l'a admis: cela le met en cause s'il s'agissait bien d' "affabulation", avant de rejeter cette accusation.</dd>
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<dd>En un mot, votre argument vous est personnel, et n'est pas partagé par <i>Le Monde</i>. Merci de mettre les accusations <i>ad hominem</i> de côté, cordialement <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Utilisateur:Ahbon?">Ahbon?</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Discussion utilisateur:Ahbon?">d</a>) 3 septembre 2008 à 18:32 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z","author":"Ahbon?"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z"></span>Je cite : <q class="citation">était-il légitime de publier, sous l'apparence d'un reportage, un récit prenant aussi clairement parti pour les Géorgiens ? BHL n'est pas journaliste et ne le prétend pas. "J'assume ma subjectivité", dit-il. De fait, dès le premier paragraphe, le lecteur savait à quoi s'en tenir, d'autant mieux que le texte était présenté comme le "témoignage" d'un "philosophe et essayiste". Le Monde a toujours publié ce genre de récits, qu'ils soient signés John Le Carré, Mario Vargas Llosa ou François Maspero. En sus et non à la place des reportages de ses envoyés spéciaux - c'était le cas. "On peut imaginer une présentation qui distingue encore mieux ces textes des reportages du Monde</q>. La médiatrice explique bien que <u>cela engage le signataire qui n'est pas journaliste du Monde</u>, dans un texte qui est présenté comme un témoignage. C'est donc clairement écrit et c'est vous qui distordez la réalité pour tenter decrédibiliser le Monde. Votre insistance ne fait que démontrer la chose de mon point de vue. Que n'avez-vous écrit cela sur la page de BHL <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bernard-Henri_L%C3%A9vy&diff=prev&oldid=32965127">dif</a> avant que de l'écrire sur celle du Monde <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Le_Monde&diff=prev&oldid=32964992">diff</a>.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 3 septembre 2008 à 18:43 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|LPLT|2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dd>En un mot, votre argument vous est personnel, et n'est pas partagé par <i>Le Monde</i>. Merci de mettre les accusations <i>ad hominem</i> de côté, cordialement <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Utilisateur:Ahbon?">Ahbon?</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Ahbon%3F" title="Discussion utilisateur:Ahbon?">d</a>) 3 septembre 2008 à 18:32 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z","author":"Ahbon?"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z|LPLT|2008-09-03T11:04:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z"></span>Je cite : <q class="citation">était-il légitime de publier, sous l'apparence d'un reportage, un récit prenant aussi clairement parti pour les Géorgiens ? BHL n'est pas journaliste et ne le prétend pas. "J'assume ma subjectivité", dit-il. De fait, dès le premier paragraphe, le lecteur savait à quoi s'en tenir, d'autant mieux que le texte était présenté comme le "témoignage" d'un "philosophe et essayiste". Le Monde a toujours publié ce genre de récits, qu'ils soient signés John Le Carré, Mario Vargas Llosa ou François Maspero. En sus et non à la place des reportages de ses envoyés spéciaux - c'était le cas. "On peut imaginer une présentation qui distingue encore mieux ces textes des reportages du Monde</q>. La médiatrice explique bien que <u>cela engage le signataire qui n'est pas journaliste du Monde</u>, dans un texte qui est présenté comme un témoignage. C'est donc clairement écrit et c'est vous qui distordez la réalité pour tenter decrédibiliser le Monde. Votre insistance ne fait que démontrer la chose de mon point de vue. Que n'avez-vous écrit cela sur la page de BHL <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bernard-Henri_L%C3%A9vy&diff=prev&oldid=32965127">dif</a> avant que de l'écrire sur celle du Monde <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Le_Monde&diff=prev&oldid=32964992">diff</a>.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 3 septembre 2008 à 18:43 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|LPLT|2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2008-09-03T16:43:00.000Z|Ahbon?|2008-09-03T16:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<div class="floatleft"><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Feuerwehreinsatz-gan1.jpg" class="image"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Cchantep|2008-09-03T16:46:00.000Z|Polémique_et_BHL"></span><img alt="Feuerwehreinsatz-gan1.jpg" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Feuerwehreinsatz-gan1.jpg/50px-Feuerwehreinsatz-gan1.jpg" decoding="async" width="50" height="38" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Feuerwehreinsatz-gan1.jpg/75px-Feuerwehreinsatz-gan1.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Feuerwehreinsatz-gan1.jpg/100px-Feuerwehreinsatz-gan1.jpg 2x" data-file-width="400" data-file-height="300"/></a></div> Bonjour, <b>ce bandeau indique que <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Cchantep" title="Utilisateur:Cchantep">Cchantep</a> a pris en compte la demande de médiation en tant que <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wikipompiers" title="Wikipédia:Wikipompiers">wikipompier</a></b>.
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<p><br/>Merci de patienter, une revue par le ou les wikipompiers de la discussion et de l'historique, est nécessaire pour comprendre le problème et proposer une médiation. Cette page porte sur un thème facilement sujet à controverses ; les intervenants sont donc invités à une prudence particulière.
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<small> Pour information, les wikipompiers sont des volontaires et ne sont pas soumis à une obligation de résultat. Merci du respect que vous leur porterez.</small> </div>
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<p>Les intervenants sont invités à débatter sur la <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wikipompiers/Feu-20080903111057" title="Wikipédia:Wikipompiers/Feu-20080903111057">page de médiation</a>. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Cchantep" title="Utilisateur:Cchantep">Cchantep</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Cchantep" title="Discussion utilisateur:Cchantep">d</a>) 3 septembre 2008 à 18:46 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Cchantep|2008-09-03T16:46:00.000Z|Pol\u00e9mique_et_BHL","replies":[],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:46:00.000Z","author":"Cchantep"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p>Les intervenants sont invités à débatter sur la <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wikipompiers/Feu-20080903111057" title="Wikipédia:Wikipompiers/Feu-20080903111057">page de médiation</a>. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Cchantep" title="Utilisateur:Cchantep">Cchantep</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Cchantep" title="Discussion utilisateur:Cchantep">d</a>) 3 septembre 2008 à 18:46 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Cchantep|2008-09-03T16:46:00.000Z|Pol\u00e9mique_et_BHL","replies":[],"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:46:00.000Z","author":"Cchantep"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Icones_et_TI" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Icones_et_TI|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z|Icones_et_TI"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Icones_et_TI|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z"></span>Icones et TI<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Icones_et_TI|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z|Icones_et_TI"></span>La partie icones récemment ajoutée m'a tout l'air d'un beau <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:TI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:TI">WP:TI</a> non sourcé. Donc en l'absence d'ajout rapide de publications soutenant et vérifiant les dires de ce chapitre, je le supprimerai sous peu.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 22 mars 2009 à 19:08 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z|Icones_et_TI","replies":["c|LPLT|2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z|Icones_et_TI"></span>La partie icones récemment ajoutée m'a tout l'air d'un beau <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:TI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:TI">WP:TI</a> non sourcé. Donc en l'absence d'ajout rapide de publications soutenant et vérifiant les dires de ce chapitre, je le supprimerai sous peu.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 22 mars 2009 à 19:08 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z|Icones_et_TI","replies":["c|LPLT|2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z"></span>Aucune réaction en 7j, aucun sourcage ---> suppression de ce TI --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 30 mars 2009 à 17:40 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|LPLT|2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z"></span>Aucune réaction en 7j, aucun sourcage ---> suppression de ce TI --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 30 mars 2009 à 17:40 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|LPLT|2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2009-03-30T15:40:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-03-22T18:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Positionnement_politique" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Positionnement_politique|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z|Positionnement_politique","c|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z|Positionnement_politique"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Positionnement_politique|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z"></span>Positionnement politique<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Positionnement_politique|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z|Positionnement_politique"></span>Le même auteur (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Despointes" title="Utilisateur:Despointes"><span title="page utilisateur du compte Despointes">Despointes</span></a> <small class="plainlinks">(<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Despointes" title="Discussion utilisateur:Despointes"><abbr class="abbr" title="page de discussion du compte Despointes">d</abbr></a> · <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Despointes" title="Spécial:Contributions/Despointes"><abbr class="abbr" title="contributions du compte Despointes">c</abbr></a> · <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Log&type=block&page=User:Despointes"><span style="color:#002bb8;"><abbr class="abbr" title="blocages du compte Despointes">b</abbr></span></a>)</small>) s'était également fendu d'un beau <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:TI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:TI">WP:TI</a> non sourcé sur le positionnement politique du Monde. Sans références apportées rapidement, ce chapitre sera revu en profondeur.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 2 avril 2009 à 09:55 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z|Positionnement_politique","replies":["c|Bokken|2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z|Positionnement_politique"></span>Le même auteur (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Despointes" title="Utilisateur:Despointes"><span title="page utilisateur du compte Despointes">Despointes</span></a> <small class="plainlinks">(<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Despointes" title="Discussion utilisateur:Despointes"><abbr class="abbr" title="page de discussion du compte Despointes">d</abbr></a> · <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Despointes" title="Spécial:Contributions/Despointes"><abbr class="abbr" title="contributions du compte Despointes">c</abbr></a> · <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Log&type=block&page=User:Despointes"><span style="color:#002bb8;"><abbr class="abbr" title="blocages du compte Despointes">b</abbr></span></a>)</small>) s'était également fendu d'un beau <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:TI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:TI">WP:TI</a> non sourcé sur le positionnement politique du Monde. Sans références apportées rapidement, ce chapitre sera revu en profondeur.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 2 avril 2009 à 09:55 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z|Positionnement_politique","replies":["c|Bokken|2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Bokken|2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z"></span>Page semi-protégée ce jour. J'ai pris contact avec l'initiateur de l'appel (qui est dans la même université que moi) afin de lui expliquer en quoi son invitation à modifier l'article était vouée à l'échec car ne correspondant pas aux règles de Wikipédia. J'espère pouvoir rapidement lever la semi-protection. -- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bokken" title="Utilisateur:Bokken">Bokken</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Bokken" title="Discussion utilisateur:Bokken">木刀</a> 3 avril 2009 à 11:11 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Bokken|2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z","author":"Bokken"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bokken|2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Bokken|2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z"></span>Page semi-protégée ce jour. J'ai pris contact avec l'initiateur de l'appel (qui est dans la même université que moi) afin de lui expliquer en quoi son invitation à modifier l'article était vouée à l'échec car ne correspondant pas aux règles de Wikipédia. J'espère pouvoir rapidement lever la semi-protection. -- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bokken" title="Utilisateur:Bokken">Bokken</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Bokken" title="Discussion utilisateur:Bokken">木刀</a> 3 avril 2009 à 11:11 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Bokken|2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z","author":"Bokken"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bokken|2009-04-03T09:11:00.000Z|LPLT|2009-04-02T07:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z|Positionnement_politique"></span>"Les informations sont traitées avec rigueur, dans le style de la presse anglo-saxonne qui sépare nettement l'information du commentaire."
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</p><p>J'ai supprimé cette phrase qui est démentie aujourd'hui par l'analyse sociologique très rigoureusement conduite par Henri Maler, Olivier Poche et publiée sur le site de l'observatoire des médias Acrimed sous le titre "Le Monde et le mouvement universitaire" le 18 mars 2009 : <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.acrimed.org/article3102.html">http://www.acrimed.org/article3102.html</a>
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</p><p>--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Gegejv" title="Utilisateur:Gegejv">Gegejv</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Gegejv" title="Discussion utilisateur:Gegejv">d</a>) 3 avril 2009 à 22:10 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z|Positionnement_politique","replies":["c|Mogador|2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z","author":"Gegejv"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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</p><p>--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Gegejv" title="Utilisateur:Gegejv">Gegejv</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Gegejv" title="Discussion utilisateur:Gegejv">d</a>) 3 avril 2009 à 22:10 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z|Positionnement_politique","replies":["c|Mogador|2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z","author":"Gegejv"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mogador|2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z"></span>En tout état de cause, cette affirmation doit être attribuée et sourcée. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Mogador" title="Utilisateur:Mogador">Mogador </a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Mogador" title="Discussion utilisateur:Mogador"><big><big>✉</big></big></a> 4 avril 2009 à 14:14 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Mogador|2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z","author":"Mogador"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mogador|2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mogador|2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z"></span>En tout état de cause, cette affirmation doit être attribuée et sourcée. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Mogador" title="Utilisateur:Mogador">Mogador </a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Mogador" title="Discussion utilisateur:Mogador"><big><big>✉</big></big></a> 4 avril 2009 à 14:14 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Mogador|2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z","author":"Mogador"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mogador|2009-04-04T12:14:00.000Z|Gegejv|2009-04-03T20:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id=".C2.ABConsid.C3.A9r.C3.A9_par_certains.C2.BB.E2.86.92_Qui_.3F"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="«Considéré_par_certains»→_Qui_?" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|\u00abConsid\u00e9r\u00e9_par_certains\u00bb\u2192_Qui_?|2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z","replies":["c|Pixeltoo|2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z|\u00abConsid\u00e9r\u00e9_par_certains\u00bb\u2192_Qui_?"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|«Considéré_par_certains»→_Qui_?|2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z"></span>«Considéré par certains»→ Qui ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h|«Considéré_par_certains»→_Qui_?|2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pixeltoo|2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z|«Considéré_par_certains»→_Qui_?"></span>Qui considère ce journal comme le quotidien de référence ? --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Pixeltoo" title="Utilisateur:Pixeltoo">pixeltoo</a> <small>(<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pixeltoo" title="Discussion utilisateur:Pixeltoo">discuter</a>)</small> 22 avril 2009 à 13:05 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pixeltoo|2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z|\u00abConsid\u00e9r\u00e9_par_certains\u00bb\u2192_Qui_?","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z","author":"Pixeltoo"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pixeltoo|2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z|«Considéré_par_certains»→_Qui_?"></span>Qui considère ce journal comme le quotidien de référence ? --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Pixeltoo" title="Utilisateur:Pixeltoo">pixeltoo</a> <small>(<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pixeltoo" title="Discussion utilisateur:Pixeltoo">discuter</a>)</small> 22 avril 2009 à 13:05 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pixeltoo|2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z|\u00abConsid\u00e9r\u00e9_par_certains\u00bb\u2192_Qui_?","replies":[],"timestamp":"2009-04-22T11:05:00.000Z","author":"Pixeltoo"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>c'est le journal de référence français à l'étranger, c'est pas pour rien que Wikileaks a donné l'exclu au Monde.... Plus sérieusement, il y a el Pais, le corriere della serra, le guardian et le Monde pour la France.... C'est aussi le plus lu. Je pense donc que pour tout le monde c'est le journal de référence d'autant plus qu'il ne s'adresse pas à un courant politique en particulier (à l'inverse de la plupart des autres quotidiens)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Pertinence_de_la_liste_des_journalistes_actuels_du_Monde" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Pertinence_de_la_liste_des_journalistes_actuels_du_Monde|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z","replies":["c|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z|Pertinence_de_la_liste_des_journalistes_actuels_du_Monde"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Pertinence_de_la_liste_des_journalistes_actuels_du_Monde|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z"></span>Pertinence de la liste des journalistes actuels du Monde<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Pertinence_de_la_liste_des_journalistes_actuels_du_Monde|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z|Pertinence_de_la_liste_des_journalistes_actuels_du_Monde"></span>Bonjour,
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</p><p><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde#Les_journalistes_actuels_du_Monde" title="Le Monde">Cette liste</a> a-t-elle un réel apport encyclopédique en tant que liste ? Parce que je ne suis pas convaincu qu'individuellement, chacun des journalistes mentionnés satisfasse <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:CAA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:CAA">WP:CAA</a>.
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</p><p>Amicalement — <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Arkanosis" title="Utilisateur:Arkanosis">Arkanosis</a> <sup><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Arkanosis" title="Discussion utilisateur:Arkanosis">✉</a></sup> 2 janvier 2010 à 13:01 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z|Pertinence_de_la_liste_des_journalistes_actuels_du_Monde","replies":["c|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Arkanosis"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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</p><p>Amicalement — <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Arkanosis" title="Utilisateur:Arkanosis">Arkanosis</a> <sup><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Arkanosis" title="Discussion utilisateur:Arkanosis">✉</a></sup> 2 janvier 2010 à 13:01 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z|Pertinence_de_la_liste_des_journalistes_actuels_du_Monde","replies":["c|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Arkanosis"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z"></span>Il me semble que cette liste est dénuée d'apport proprement encyclopédique (faute de commentaire sourcé à en faire), et donc ressort de la base de données. À virer, donc. -- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bokken" title="Utilisateur:Bokken">Bokken</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Bokken" title="Discussion utilisateur:Bokken">木刀</a> 2 janvier 2010 à 14:18 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z","replies":["c|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z","author":"Bokken"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z"></span>Je suis d'accord avec <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bokken" title="Utilisateur:Bokken">Bokken</a>. La liste des anciens journalistes ne me paraît pas pertinente non plus. Elle n'apporte pas de compréhension à ce qu'est le journal. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Alastair" title="Utilisateur:Alastair">Alastair</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Alastair" title="Discussion utilisateur:Alastair">d</a>) 26 février 2011 à 15:23 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2011-02-28T09:33:00.000Z|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z","author":"Alastair"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2011-02-28T09:33:00.000Z|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z"></span>Je ne suis pas un gros contributeur sur cette page, mais AMHA cette liste fait tâche. À transférer sur une page dédiée, avec comme objectif de lister pour chaque journaliste des dates de début et fin de carrière au Monde et les rubriques tenues ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">Azoée</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">d</a>) 28 février 2011 à 10:33 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Azoee|2011-02-28T09:33:00.000Z|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2011-02-28T09:33:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z"></span>Il me semble que cette liste est dénuée d'apport proprement encyclopédique (faute de commentaire sourcé à en faire), et donc ressort de la base de données. À virer, donc. -- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bokken" title="Utilisateur:Bokken">Bokken</a> | <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Bokken" title="Discussion utilisateur:Bokken">木刀</a> 2 janvier 2010 à 14:18 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z","replies":["c|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z","author":"Bokken"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z|Arkanosis|2010-01-02T12:01:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z"></span>Je suis d'accord avec <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bokken" title="Utilisateur:Bokken">Bokken</a>. La liste des anciens journalistes ne me paraît pas pertinente non plus. Elle n'apporte pas de compréhension à ce qu'est le journal. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Alastair" title="Utilisateur:Alastair">Alastair</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Alastair" title="Discussion utilisateur:Alastair">d</a>) 26 février 2011 à 15:23 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2011-02-28T09:33:00.000Z|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z","author":"Alastair"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2011-02-28T09:33:00.000Z|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z"></span>Je ne suis pas un gros contributeur sur cette page, mais AMHA cette liste fait tâche. À transférer sur une page dédiée, avec comme objectif de lister pour chaque journaliste des dates de début et fin de carrière au Monde et les rubriques tenues ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">Azoée</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">d</a>) 28 février 2011 à 10:33 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Azoee|2011-02-28T09:33:00.000Z|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2011-02-28T09:33:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Cette tache est je pense impossible... Il faudrait à la limite une liste des chefs de rubrique actualisée régulièrement (parce que dans la presse, il y a du turn over).... Et je pense qu'une liste des célèbres anciens du Monde serait plus pertinent</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Azoee|2011-02-28T09:33:00.000Z|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Alastair|2011-02-26T14:23:00.000Z|Bokken|2010-01-02T13:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Propri.C3.A9taire.28s.29_en_juillet_2010_.3F"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Propriétaire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Propri\u00e9taire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z","replies":["c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z|Propri\u00e9taire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?","c|Polofrfr|2010-12-16T21:56:00.000Z|Propri\u00e9taire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Propriétaire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Propriétaire(s) en juillet 2010 ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Propriétaire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z|Propriétaire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?"></span>J'ai cru bon de mettre à jour l'infobox suite au récent rachat du <i>Monde</i> par le trio <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Berg%C3%A9" title="Pierre Bergé">Bergé</a>-<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthieu_Pigasse" title="Matthieu Pigasse">Pigasse</a>-<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Niel" title="Xavier Niel">Niel</a>. Ai-je bien fait ? Que devient <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie-Le_Monde" class="mw-redirect" title="La Vie-Le Monde">La Vie-Le Monde</a> dans tout ça ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:DocteurCosmos" title="Utilisateur:DocteurCosmos">DocteurCosmos</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:DocteurCosmos" title="Discussion utilisateur:DocteurCosmos">d</a>) 7 juillet 2010 à 16:56 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z|Propri\u00e9taire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?","replies":["c|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z","author":"DocteurCosmos"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z|Propriétaire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?"></span>J'ai cru bon de mettre à jour l'infobox suite au récent rachat du <i>Monde</i> par le trio <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Berg%C3%A9" title="Pierre Bergé">Bergé</a>-<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthieu_Pigasse" title="Matthieu Pigasse">Pigasse</a>-<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Niel" title="Xavier Niel">Niel</a>. Ai-je bien fait ? Que devient <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie-Le_Monde" class="mw-redirect" title="La Vie-Le Monde">La Vie-Le Monde</a> dans tout ça ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:DocteurCosmos" title="Utilisateur:DocteurCosmos">DocteurCosmos</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:DocteurCosmos" title="Discussion utilisateur:DocteurCosmos">d</a>) 7 juillet 2010 à 16:56 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z|Propri\u00e9taire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?","replies":["c|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z","author":"DocteurCosmos"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Est-ce entériné d'un point de vue légal ? Je pense que tout cela n'en est encore qu'au stade des dossiers--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 7 juillet 2010 à 16:58 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z","replies":["c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z"></span>Après recherche, il s'avère que le trio devient actionnaire majoritaire de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie-Le_Monde" class="mw-redirect" title="La Vie-Le Monde">La Vie-Le Monde</a> et que les négociations en cours ne devraient aboutir qu'en septembre. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:DocteurCosmos" title="Utilisateur:DocteurCosmos">DocteurCosmos</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:DocteurCosmos" title="Discussion utilisateur:DocteurCosmos">d</a>) 8 juillet 2010 à 15:52 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z","author":"DocteurCosmos"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z"></span>Oui j'ai oublié d'y revenir, la proposition est à l'étude pour un accord définitif devant etre trouvé avantle 30 sept (3 mois après la cloture des candidatures). En conséquence il est préférable de revenir à la version antérieure jusque là. Rien n'est signé.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 8 juillet 2010 à 16:11 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|LPLT|2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Est-ce entériné d'un point de vue légal ? Je pense que tout cela n'en est encore qu'au stade des dossiers--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 7 juillet 2010 à 16:58 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z","replies":["c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-07T14:56:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z"></span>Après recherche, il s'avère que le trio devient actionnaire majoritaire de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Vie-Le_Monde" class="mw-redirect" title="La Vie-Le Monde">La Vie-Le Monde</a> et que les négociations en cours ne devraient aboutir qu'en septembre. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:DocteurCosmos" title="Utilisateur:DocteurCosmos">DocteurCosmos</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:DocteurCosmos" title="Discussion utilisateur:DocteurCosmos">d</a>) 8 juillet 2010 à 15:52 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z","author":"DocteurCosmos"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z|LPLT|2010-07-07T14:58:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z"></span>Oui j'ai oublié d'y revenir, la proposition est à l'étude pour un accord définitif devant etre trouvé avantle 30 sept (3 mois après la cloture des candidatures). En conséquence il est préférable de revenir à la version antérieure jusque là. Rien n'est signé.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 8 juillet 2010 à 16:11 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|LPLT|2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2010-07-08T14:11:00.000Z|DocteurCosmos|2010-07-08T13:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Polofrfr|2010-12-16T21:56:00.000Z|Propriétaire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?"></span>La <i>recapitalisation</i> de 2010 et tous les changements de <i>têtes</i>, inhérents, montrent bien que le journal n'est plus indépendant... ou, en tout cas, nettement moins qu'il y a 50 ou même 30 ans.
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</p><p>Comment résumer/traduire ça, simplement et clairement - notamment dans l'intro - sans 'leurrer' le lecteur lambda ?
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</p><p>--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Polofrfr" title="Utilisateur:Polofrfr">Polofrfr</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Polofrfr" title="Discussion utilisateur:Polofrfr">d</a>) 16 décembre 2010 à 22:56 (CET)
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>> En mentionnant cette recapitalisation, qui sont les nouveaux propriétaires . Au lecteur de se faire son opinion sur l'indépendance du journal<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Polofrfr|2010-12-16T21:56:00.000Z|Propri\u00e9taire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?","replies":[],"timestamp":"2010-12-16T21:56:00.000Z","author":"Polofrfr"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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>> En mentionnant cette recapitalisation, qui sont les nouveaux propriétaires . Au lecteur de se faire son opinion sur l'indépendance du journal<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Polofrfr|2010-12-16T21:56:00.000Z|Propri\u00e9taire(s)_en_juillet_2010_?","replies":[],"timestamp":"2010-12-16T21:56:00.000Z","author":"Polofrfr"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="diffusion" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|diffusion|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z|diffusion"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|diffusion|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z"></span>diffusion<span data-mw-comment-end="h|diffusion|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z|diffusion"></span>Juste pour signaler des incohérences au niveau des chiffres :
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dans cet article on a un tableau de 1999 à 2009, de 1999 à 2005 il correspond à un autre tableau dans l'article <a class="external free" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presse_en_France">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presse_en_France</a>, mais à partir de 2006 grosse divergence : on passe de 350 039 à 316 851 ou 358 655 c'est selon, là où ça devient ridicule c'est qu'en suivant la source indiquée par un des tableaux (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.ojd.com/adherent/3147">http://www.ojd.com/adherent/3147</a>) apparemment ça serait 354 316.
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</p><p>Ou alors il y a des confusions entre les diffusions (payée/france payée) auquel cas il faudrait peut-être se décider pour savoir lequel doit être retenu.
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<dl><dd>Ça veut dire quoi France payée et payée, la légende ne l’indique pas ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">Azoée</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">d</a>) 7 avril 2011 à 20:56 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z|diffusion","replies":["c|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z|diffusion"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z"></span>y a (tjrs eu) un certains nombre d'ex. gratuits, suffisant pour que l'OJD distingue entre diffusion payée ou non--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bibliorock" title="Utilisateur:Bibliorock">Bibliorock</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Bibliorock" title="Discussion utilisateur:Bibliorock">d</a>) 8 avril 2011 à 17:52 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z","author":"Bibliorock"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z"></span>Et la colonne "payée", c'est la diffusion gratuite ? ?? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">Azoée</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">d</a>) 9 avril 2011 à 11:46 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Azoee|2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Azoee|2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>Ça veut dire quoi France payée et payée, la légende ne l’indique pas ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">Azoée</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">d</a>) 7 avril 2011 à 20:56 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z|diffusion","replies":["c|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z|diffusion"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z"></span>y a (tjrs eu) un certains nombre d'ex. gratuits, suffisant pour que l'OJD distingue entre diffusion payée ou non--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Bibliorock" title="Utilisateur:Bibliorock">Bibliorock</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Bibliorock" title="Discussion utilisateur:Bibliorock">d</a>) 8 avril 2011 à 17:52 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z","author":"Bibliorock"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z|Azoee|2011-04-07T18:56:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z"></span>Et la colonne "payée", c'est la diffusion gratuite ? ?? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">Azoée</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">d</a>) 9 avril 2011 à 11:46 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Azoee|2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Azoee|2011-04-09T09:46:00.000Z|Bibliorock|2011-04-08T15:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Herv.C3.A9_Morin_journaliste_.3F"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Hervé_Morin_journaliste_?" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Herv\u00e9_Morin_journaliste_?|2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z","replies":["c|Jules78120|2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z|Herv\u00e9_Morin_journaliste_?"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Hervé_Morin_journaliste_?|2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z"></span>Hervé Morin journaliste ?<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Hervé_Morin_journaliste_?|2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Jules78120|2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z|Hervé_Morin_journaliste_?"></span>Quelle ne fut pas ma surprise lorsque j'ai vue que Hervé Morin fait partie des journalistes actuel du journal Le Monde, j'aurais aimé avoir confirmation de cette information, de mon coté j'ai cherché, et je n'ai rien trouvé ... Donc si personne à de réponse, il faudrais l'enlever de la liste.
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<dl><dd>Bonjour,</dd>
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<dd>En fait, ce n'est pas le même Hervé Morin : <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.franceinter.fr/personne-herve-morin-0">[2]</a>. Cdlt, — <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Jules78120" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Jules78120"><b><span style="color:#80D000">Jules</span></b></a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Jules78120" class="mw-redirect" title="Discussion utilisateur:Jules78120"><span style="color:Gold"> [Discuter] </span></a> 11 mars 2012 à 10:51 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Jules78120|2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z|Herv\u00e9_Morin_journaliste_?","replies":[],"timestamp":"2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z","author":"Jules78120"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jules78120|2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z|Hervé_Morin_journaliste_?"></span></dd></dl>
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<dd>En fait, ce n'est pas le même Hervé Morin : <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.franceinter.fr/personne-herve-morin-0">[2]</a>. Cdlt, — <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Jules78120" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Jules78120"><b><span style="color:#80D000">Jules</span></b></a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Jules78120" class="mw-redirect" title="Discussion utilisateur:Jules78120"><span style="color:Gold"> [Discuter] </span></a> 11 mars 2012 à 10:51 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Jules78120|2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z|Herv\u00e9_Morin_journaliste_?","replies":[],"timestamp":"2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z","author":"Jules78120"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jules78120|2012-03-11T09:51:00.000Z|Hervé_Morin_journaliste_?"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Khmers_rouges" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Khmers_rouges|2014-05-16T21:30:00.000Z","replies":["c|Pcouderc|2014-05-16T21:30:00.000Z|Khmers_rouges"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Khmers_rouges|2014-05-16T21:30:00.000Z"></span>Khmers rouges<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Khmers_rouges|2014-05-16T21:30:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pcouderc|2014-05-16T21:30:00.000Z|Khmers_rouges"></span>Le Monde n'a sûrement pas titré « Phnom Penh libérée » le 17 avril 1975. On peut voir l'emission de ce jour ici: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.fonjallaz.net/Communisme/Cambodge/GC-ONU/17-avril-1975.html">http://www.fonjallaz.net/Communisme/Cambodge/GC-ONU/17-avril-1975.html</a> - et les titres des articles sont beaucoup plus neutres. Même si quelques-uns des auteurs ont écrit dans un ton très positive du mouvement des Khmers rouges et de leur « révolution », ce formulation rend surtout une fausse image du journal à cette époque. Donc je vais l'écarter. Veuillez excuser mon français, je suis allemand ;)
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</p><p>D'accord, la date est erronée, mais je l'ai vu, Le Monde a bien titré « Phnom Penh libérée » en avril, mais peut-être pas le 17. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Pcouderc" title="Utilisateur:Pcouderc">Pcouderc</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pcouderc" title="Discussion utilisateur:Pcouderc">discuter</a>) 16 mai 2014 à 23:30 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pcouderc|2014-05-16T21:30:00.000Z|Khmers_rouges","replies":[],"timestamp":"2014-05-16T21:30:00.000Z","author":"Pcouderc"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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</p><p>D'accord, la date est erronée, mais je l'ai vu, Le Monde a bien titré « Phnom Penh libérée » en avril, mais peut-être pas le 17. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Pcouderc" title="Utilisateur:Pcouderc">Pcouderc</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Pcouderc" title="Discussion utilisateur:Pcouderc">discuter</a>) 16 mai 2014 à 23:30 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pcouderc|2014-05-16T21:30:00.000Z|Khmers_rouges","replies":[],"timestamp":"2014-05-16T21:30:00.000Z","author":"Pcouderc"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Chronologie" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Chronologie|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z|Chronologie","c|Quadrige|2013-03-27T23:28:00.000Z|Chronologie"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Chronologie|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z"></span>Chronologie<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Chronologie|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z|Chronologie"></span>Il n'y a pas de règles noir sur blanc en la matière, mais il est assez évident que les listes à puce, et autres chronologies ne répondent pas aux standards encyclopédiques, et sont relativement déconseillées sur WP (faut que je retrouve l'indication précise). Les articles labellisés (AdQ et BA) n'en n'ont pas, car le contenu se doit d'être rédigé (phrase), organisé, synthétisé (séparation de l'anecdotique de l'essentiel), toute chose qui répond plus d'un travail encyclopédique. D'où l'incitation vers un recyclage de cette section <i>chronologie</i>.-- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 3 mars 2013 à 22:02 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z|Chronologie","replies":["c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z|Chronologie"></span>Il n'y a pas de règles noir sur blanc en la matière, mais il est assez évident que les listes à puce, et autres chronologies ne répondent pas aux standards encyclopédiques, et sont relativement déconseillées sur WP (faut que je retrouve l'indication précise). Les articles labellisés (AdQ et BA) n'en n'ont pas, car le contenu se doit d'être rédigé (phrase), organisé, synthétisé (séparation de l'anecdotique de l'essentiel), toute chose qui répond plus d'un travail encyclopédique. D'où l'incitation vers un recyclage de cette section <i>chronologie</i>.-- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 3 mars 2013 à 22:02 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z|Chronologie","replies":["c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z"></span>D'où le <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:%C3%80_d%C3%A9lister" title="Modèle:À délister">Modèle:À délister</a>.-- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 3 mars 2013 à 22:07 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z","replies":["c|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z"></span>Je plussoie <span class="smiley"><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Face-wink.svg" class="image" title="Clin d'œil"><img alt="Clin d'œil" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/20px-Face-wink.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/30px-Face-wink.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/40px-Face-wink.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span>. — <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Jules78120" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Jules78120"><b><span style="color:Gold">Jules</span></b></a> <strong><sup><small style="border-bottom:1px solid #80D000;"><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Jules78120" class="mw-redirect" title="Discussion utilisateur:Jules78120"><span style="color:#80D000"><i>Discuter</i></span></a></small></sup></strong> 3 mars 2013 à 22:08 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z","replies":["c|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z","author":"Jules78120"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z"></span>Je moinssoie... Certes, LPLT a raison dans l'absolu, mais ici, c'est une chronologie rappelant les grandes dates du journal, alors comment faire autrement ? Comment rédiger la même chose "avec des phrases" en reprenant les dates à chaque fois ? Ce serait il me semble une infâme bouillie. Mais bon, si quelqu'un veut s'y coller. Je ne vois toutefois pas en quoi cela constituerait une quelconque amélioration concernant ce chapitre particulier <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Jmex" title="Utilisateur:Jmex">Jmex</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Jmex" title="Discussion utilisateur:Jmex">(♫)</a> 4 mars 2013 à 07:32 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z","author":"Jmex"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z"></span>Je moinssoie également : dans le cadre d’une chronologie, la présentation la plus synthétique et la plus organisée est celle de la liste à puce. D’ailleurs voir les articles <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1" title="1">1</a>, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/2" title="2">2</a>, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/3" title="3">3</a>, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/4" title="4">4</a>... <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1046" title="1046">1046</a> jusqu’à nos jours. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">Azoée</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">d</a>) 4 mars 2013 à 14:11 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z"></span>Certainement pas : faire des phrases (qui je le rappelle = sujet + verbe + complément) et contextualiser est un impératif encyclopédique évident. Quant à comparer cela avec une page sur des dates... il n'y a aucune pertinence dans le parallèle. Les pages/section historiques des articles labellisés ne sont pas une « infâme bouillie » ; drôle de perspective et de vision encyclopédique.-- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 4 mars 2013 à 17:38 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|LPLT|2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Quadrige|2013-03-27T23:28:00.000Z|Chronologie"></span>Bonsoir à tous, je me lance dans la réécriture de ladite liste à puce. N'hésitez pas à donner un coup de main, notamment pour la recontextualisation. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Quadrige" title="Utilisateur:Quadrige">Quadrige</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Quadrige" title="Discussion utilisateur:Quadrige">d</a>) 28 mars 2013 à 00:28 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Quadrige|2013-03-27T23:28:00.000Z|Chronologie","replies":[],"timestamp":"2013-03-27T23:28:00.000Z","author":"Quadrige"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z"></span>D'où le <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:%C3%80_d%C3%A9lister" title="Modèle:À délister">Modèle:À délister</a>.-- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 3 mars 2013 à 22:07 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z","replies":["c|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:02:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z"></span>Je plussoie <span class="smiley"><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Face-wink.svg" class="image" title="Clin d'œil"><img alt="Clin d'œil" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/20px-Face-wink.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/30px-Face-wink.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/40px-Face-wink.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span>. — <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Jules78120" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Jules78120"><b><span style="color:Gold">Jules</span></b></a> <strong><sup><small style="border-bottom:1px solid #80D000;"><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Jules78120" class="mw-redirect" title="Discussion utilisateur:Jules78120"><span style="color:#80D000"><i>Discuter</i></span></a></small></sup></strong> 3 mars 2013 à 22:08 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z","replies":["c|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z","author":"Jules78120"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z|LPLT|2013-03-03T21:07:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z"></span>Je moinssoie... Certes, LPLT a raison dans l'absolu, mais ici, c'est une chronologie rappelant les grandes dates du journal, alors comment faire autrement ? Comment rédiger la même chose "avec des phrases" en reprenant les dates à chaque fois ? Ce serait il me semble une infâme bouillie. Mais bon, si quelqu'un veut s'y coller. Je ne vois toutefois pas en quoi cela constituerait une quelconque amélioration concernant ce chapitre particulier <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Jmex" title="Utilisateur:Jmex">Jmex</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Jmex" title="Discussion utilisateur:Jmex">(♫)</a> 4 mars 2013 à 07:32 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z","author":"Jmex"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z|Jules78120|2013-03-03T21:08:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z"></span>Je moinssoie également : dans le cadre d’une chronologie, la présentation la plus synthétique et la plus organisée est celle de la liste à puce. D’ailleurs voir les articles <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1" title="1">1</a>, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/2" title="2">2</a>, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/3" title="3">3</a>, <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/4" title="4">4</a>... <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1046" title="1046">1046</a> jusqu’à nos jours. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">Azoée</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">d</a>) 4 mars 2013 à 14:11 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z","replies":["c|LPLT|2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z|Jmex|2013-03-04T06:32:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LPLT|2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z"></span>Certainement pas : faire des phrases (qui je le rappelle = sujet + verbe + complément) et contextualiser est un impératif encyclopédique évident. Quant à comparer cela avec une page sur des dates... il n'y a aucune pertinence dans le parallèle. Les pages/section historiques des articles labellisés ne sont pas une « infâme bouillie » ; drôle de perspective et de vision encyclopédique.-- <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:LPLT" title="Utilisateur:LPLT">LPLT</a> <sup><small> [<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:LPLT" title="Discussion utilisateur:LPLT">discu</a>]</small></sup> 4 mars 2013 à 17:38 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|LPLT|2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z","author":"LPLT"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LPLT|2013-03-04T16:38:00.000Z|Azoee|2013-03-04T13:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Quadrige|2013-03-27T23:28:00.000Z|Chronologie"></span>Bonsoir à tous, je me lance dans la réécriture de ladite liste à puce. N'hésitez pas à donner un coup de main, notamment pour la recontextualisation. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Quadrige" title="Utilisateur:Quadrige">Quadrige</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Quadrige" title="Discussion utilisateur:Quadrige">d</a>) 28 mars 2013 à 00:28 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Quadrige|2013-03-27T23:28:00.000Z|Chronologie","replies":[],"timestamp":"2013-03-27T23:28:00.000Z","author":"Quadrige"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z","replies":["c|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z|Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z"></span>Liste des jourrnalistes du Monde<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z|Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde"></span>Bonjour,
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</p><p>Ne pourrait-on pas deplacer ces deux listes (<span class="need_ref" title="Ce passage devrait préciser au minimum la décennie ou l'année." style="cursor:help;">nouveaux</span><sup class="need_ref_tag" style="padding-left:2px;"><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Quand" title="Aide:Quand">[Quand ?]</a></sup> et anciens), qui n'ont pas d'interret dans cet article et le surcharge inutilement, vers un nouvel article <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde" class="mw-redirect" title="Liste des jourrnalistes du Monde">Liste des jourrnalistes du Monde</a> qui d'ailleurs pourrait etre l'<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Article_principal" title="Modèle:Article principal">{{article principal}}</a> de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cat%C3%A9gorie:Journaliste_du_Monde&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Catégorie:Journaliste du Monde (page inexistante)">Catégorie:Journaliste du Monde</a>. Je pourrais le faire si vous voulez. Bonne journée. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:CaptainHaddock" title="Utilisateur:CaptainHaddock">CaptainHaddock</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:CaptainHaddock" title="Discussion utilisateur:CaptainHaddock"><sup><i>BlaBla</i></sup></a> 28 mars 2013 à 10:28 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z|Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde","replies":["c|Quadrige|2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z","author":"CaptainHaddock"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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</p><p>Ne pourrait-on pas deplacer ces deux listes (<span class="need_ref" title="Ce passage devrait préciser au minimum la décennie ou l'année." style="cursor:help;">nouveaux</span><sup class="need_ref_tag" style="padding-left:2px;"><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Quand" title="Aide:Quand">[Quand ?]</a></sup> et anciens), qui n'ont pas d'interret dans cet article et le surcharge inutilement, vers un nouvel article <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde" class="mw-redirect" title="Liste des jourrnalistes du Monde">Liste des jourrnalistes du Monde</a> qui d'ailleurs pourrait etre l'<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Article_principal" title="Modèle:Article principal">{{article principal}}</a> de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cat%C3%A9gorie:Journaliste_du_Monde&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Catégorie:Journaliste du Monde (page inexistante)">Catégorie:Journaliste du Monde</a>. Je pourrais le faire si vous voulez. Bonne journée. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:CaptainHaddock" title="Utilisateur:CaptainHaddock">CaptainHaddock</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:CaptainHaddock" title="Discussion utilisateur:CaptainHaddock"><sup><i>BlaBla</i></sup></a> 28 mars 2013 à 10:28 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z|Liste_des_jourrnalistes_du_Monde","replies":["c|Quadrige|2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z","author":"CaptainHaddock"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Quadrige|2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z"></span>Très bonne idée. Je le fais maintenant, ça allégera l'article. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Quadrige" title="Utilisateur:Quadrige">Quadrige</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Quadrige" title="Discussion utilisateur:Quadrige">d</a>) 28 mars 2013 à 11:14 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Quadrige|2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z","author":"Quadrige"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Quadrige|2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Quadrige|2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z"></span>Très bonne idée. Je le fais maintenant, ça allégera l'article. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Quadrige" title="Utilisateur:Quadrige">Quadrige</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Quadrige" title="Discussion utilisateur:Quadrige">d</a>) 28 mars 2013 à 11:14 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Quadrige|2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z","author":"Quadrige"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Quadrige|2013-03-28T10:14:00.000Z|CaptainHaddock|2013-03-28T09:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Explication_.C3.A0_la_suite_de_3RR_.C3.A0_propos_de_l.27intro"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Explication_à_la_suite_de_3RR_à_propos_de_l'intro" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Explication_\u00e0_la_suite_de_3RR_\u00e0_propos_de_l'intro|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z|Explication_\u00e0_la_suite_de_3RR_\u00e0_propos_de_l'intro","h|Recoupe_des_sources_:_2e_passe|Explication_\u00e0_la_suite_de_3RR_\u00e0_propos_de_l'intro|2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Explication_à_la_suite_de_3RR_à_propos_de_l'intro|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z"></span>Explication à la suite de 3RR à propos de l'intro<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Explication_à_la_suite_de_3RR_à_propos_de_l'intro|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z|Explication_à_la_suite_de_3RR_à_propos_de_l'intro"></span>S'agissant de la référence apportée. Premièrement elle n'est pas nouvelle, elle apparaît déjà dans l'article, un doublon a été effectué.
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Deuxièmement, je réitère mon argument, on ne peut pas se baser sur un document émanant du journal pour certifier qu'il la respecte, ça n'est pas une source convenable.
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</p><p>Je souhaite préciser au passage que mon intention est simplement de contribuer à l'amélioration de la qualité de l'article.
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Merci de me montrer en quoi je me trompe si tel est le cas, nul n'est infaillible.
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J'espère que le bandeau disparaîtra vite en tout cas car il ne me semble pas qu'il y ait de désaccord profond :)
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--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Laurent_Verset" title="Utilisateur:Laurent Verset">Laurent Verset</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Laurent_Verset" title="Discussion utilisateur:Laurent Verset">discuter</a>) 15 novembre 2013 à 00:19 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z|Explication_\u00e0_la_suite_de_3RR_\u00e0_propos_de_l'intro","replies":["c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Laurent Verset"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Laurent_Verset" title="Utilisateur:Laurent Verset">Laurent Verset</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Laurent_Verset" title="Discussion utilisateur:Laurent Verset">discuter</a>) 15 novembre 2013 à 00:19 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z|Explication_\u00e0_la_suite_de_3RR_\u00e0_propos_de_l'intro","replies":["c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Laurent Verset"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z"></span>Bonjour, il est évident qu'une source d'information secondaire est nécessaire. Ce n'est pas la déclaration d'intention qui importe mais la réalité. L'affirmation « Habitué à recouper ses informations » a, de plus, été maintes fois contredite dans les faits (ici un exemple parmi tant d'autres : <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.acrimed.org/article1738.html">Médias culpa (3) : Il faut de tout pour faire <i>Le Monde</i></a> et tient davantage de l'image d'Épinal du journal dit "de référence" qu'autre chose. Cordialement. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Thontep" title="Utilisateur:Thontep">Thontep</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Thontep" title="Discussion utilisateur:Thontep">d</a>) 15 novembre 2013 à 7:49 (CET)
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<dl><dd>La vérification des informations était une démarche indispensable prônée par le créateur du journal, Hubert Beuve-Méry. Je vois difficilement quel genre de source, que l'on pourrait considérer comme impartiale, peut nous confirmer cette donnée.
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<dl><dd>Je ne crois pas que ça soit si difficile que ça à confirmer, je pense qu'il existe des observateurs des médias qui évaluent leur qualité journalistique. Mais je crois que la solution est plus à chercher du côté de l'angle sous lequel les choses sont présentés. Je propose que l'on indique simplement que "La ligne éditoriale du journal prône le respect de principe d'<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89thique" title="Éthique">éthique</a> et de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9ontologie" class="mw-disambig" title="Déontologie">déontologie</a>, en particulier concernant la <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9rification_par_les_faits" class="mw-redirect" title="Vérification par les faits">recoupe des informations</a> et la <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_des_sources_d%27information_des_journalistes" title="Protection des sources d'information des journalistes">protection des sources d'information des journalistes</a>.", en s'appuyant sur la référence que tu proposes pour la charte. Je note au passage que mes arguments ne semblent pas avoir été réfutés dans ta réponse. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Laurent_Verset" title="Utilisateur:Laurent Verset">Laurent Verset</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Laurent_Verset" title="Discussion utilisateur:Laurent Verset">discuter</a>) 15 novembre 2013 à 22:13 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z","author":"Laurent Verset"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z"></span>Thontep, tu nous propose un contre-exemple. Une affaire qui remonte à 2004, ça me semble bien maigre par rapport au nombre d'articles publiés quotidiennement. On pourrait faire un parallèle avec WP : beaucoup critiquent le fait que n'importe qui peut modifier n'importe comment notre encyclopédie, cela veut-il dire que toutes les contributions sont du vandalisme ? De plus, Woodstein nous démontre dans <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Hommes_du_pr%C3%A9sident_(livre)" title="Les Hommes du président (livre)">ce livre</a> (et le <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Hommes_du_pr%C3%A9sident_(film)" title="Les Hommes du président (film)">film qui en est tiré</a>) que la vérification des informations n’empêche pas toujours les erreurs. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Gyrostat" title="Utilisateur:Gyrostat">Gyrostat</a> - <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Gyrostat" title="Discussion utilisateur:Gyrostat">Dit<sup><i>S'Cuté</i></sup></a> 15 novembre 2013 à 21:19 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z","replies":["c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z","author":"Gyrostat"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z"></span>D'accord Laurent Verset, ta phrase me semble correcte. Concernant la protection des sources, je ne sais pas trop quoi en penser. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Gyrostat" title="Utilisateur:Gyrostat">Gyrostat</a> - <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Gyrostat" title="Discussion utilisateur:Gyrostat">Dit<sup><i>S'Cuté</i></sup></a> 15 novembre 2013 à 22:37 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z","author":"Gyrostat"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>Je ne crois pas que ça soit si difficile que ça à confirmer, je pense qu'il existe des observateurs des médias qui évaluent leur qualité journalistique. Mais je crois que la solution est plus à chercher du côté de l'angle sous lequel les choses sont présentés. Je propose que l'on indique simplement que "La ligne éditoriale du journal prône le respect de principe d'<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89thique" title="Éthique">éthique</a> et de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9ontologie" class="mw-disambig" title="Déontologie">déontologie</a>, en particulier concernant la <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9rification_par_les_faits" class="mw-redirect" title="Vérification par les faits">recoupe des informations</a> et la <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_des_sources_d%27information_des_journalistes" title="Protection des sources d'information des journalistes">protection des sources d'information des journalistes</a>.", en s'appuyant sur la référence que tu proposes pour la charte. Je note au passage que mes arguments ne semblent pas avoir été réfutés dans ta réponse. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Laurent_Verset" title="Utilisateur:Laurent Verset">Laurent Verset</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Laurent_Verset" title="Discussion utilisateur:Laurent Verset">discuter</a>) 15 novembre 2013 à 22:13 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z","author":"Laurent Verset"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-14T23:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z"></span>Thontep, tu nous propose un contre-exemple. Une affaire qui remonte à 2004, ça me semble bien maigre par rapport au nombre d'articles publiés quotidiennement. On pourrait faire un parallèle avec WP : beaucoup critiquent le fait que n'importe qui peut modifier n'importe comment notre encyclopédie, cela veut-il dire que toutes les contributions sont du vandalisme ? De plus, Woodstein nous démontre dans <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Hommes_du_pr%C3%A9sident_(livre)" title="Les Hommes du président (livre)">ce livre</a> (et le <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Hommes_du_pr%C3%A9sident_(film)" title="Les Hommes du président (film)">film qui en est tiré</a>) que la vérification des informations n’empêche pas toujours les erreurs. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Gyrostat" title="Utilisateur:Gyrostat">Gyrostat</a> - <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Gyrostat" title="Discussion utilisateur:Gyrostat">Dit<sup><i>S'Cuté</i></sup></a> 15 novembre 2013 à 21:19 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z","replies":["c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z","author":"Gyrostat"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z|Laurent Verset|2013-11-15T21:13:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z"></span>D'accord Laurent Verset, ta phrase me semble correcte. Concernant la protection des sources, je ne sais pas trop quoi en penser. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Gyrostat" title="Utilisateur:Gyrostat">Gyrostat</a> - <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Gyrostat" title="Discussion utilisateur:Gyrostat">Dit<sup><i>S'Cuté</i></sup></a> 15 novembre 2013 à 22:37 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z","author":"Gyrostat"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T21:37:00.000Z|Gyrostat|2013-11-15T20:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Recoupe_des_sources_:_2e_passe" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Recoupe_des_sources_:_2e_passe|Explication_\u00e0_la_suite_de_3RR_\u00e0_propos_de_l'intro|2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z|Recoupe_des_sources_:_2e_passe"],"headingLevel":4,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Recoupe_des_sources_:_2e_passe|Explication_à_la_suite_de_3RR_à_propos_de_l'intro|2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z"></span>Recoupe des sources : 2e passe<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Recoupe_des_sources_:_2e_passe|Explication_à_la_suite_de_3RR_à_propos_de_l'intro|2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z"></span></span></h4>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z|Recoupe_des_sources_:_2e_passe"></span>L'affaire soulevée par <i>Charlie-Hebdo</i> sur la déclaration de patrimoine de Manuel Valls justifie, à mon sens, la suppression de la phrase bateau sur le recoupement (<i> et non « la recoupe »</i>) des sources.
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</p><p>Dans <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2013/04/15/les-patrimoines-des-ministres-consultables-en-ligne_3160219_823448.html">cet article</a> de 2013, <i>Le Monde</i> reprend les informations publiées par les ministres sur leur patrimoine, avec des petits commentaires... alors qu'une simple visite au cadastre a permis à <i>Charlie-Hebdo</i> d'émettre de sérieux doutes sur l'honnêteté du ministre (cela croisé avec un simple calcul sur ses revenus : 7000 € de revenu mensuel pendant dix ans = 840 000 <abbr class="abbr" title="euro">€</abbr>, et il rembourse encore un emprunt pour son appartement à 315 000 <abbr class="abbr" title="euro">€</abbr>). Bref, il y avait deux moyens simples de mettre en doute cette information, et <i>Le Monde</i> ne l'a pas fait. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">azoée</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">¿∞?</a> 13 octobre 2014 à 12:11 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Azoee|2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z|Recoupe_des_sources_:_2e_passe","replies":[],"timestamp":"2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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</p><p>Dans <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2013/04/15/les-patrimoines-des-ministres-consultables-en-ligne_3160219_823448.html">cet article</a> de 2013, <i>Le Monde</i> reprend les informations publiées par les ministres sur leur patrimoine, avec des petits commentaires... alors qu'une simple visite au cadastre a permis à <i>Charlie-Hebdo</i> d'émettre de sérieux doutes sur l'honnêteté du ministre (cela croisé avec un simple calcul sur ses revenus : 7000 € de revenu mensuel pendant dix ans = 840 000 <abbr class="abbr" title="euro">€</abbr>, et il rembourse encore un emprunt pour son appartement à 315 000 <abbr class="abbr" title="euro">€</abbr>). Bref, il y avait deux moyens simples de mettre en doute cette information, et <i>Le Monde</i> ne l'a pas fait. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">azoée</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">¿∞?</a> 13 octobre 2014 à 12:11 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Azoee|2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z|Recoupe_des_sources_:_2e_passe","replies":[],"timestamp":"2014-10-13T10:11:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<h2><span id="D.C3.A9s.C3.A9quilibre"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Déséquilibre" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|D\u00e9s\u00e9quilibre|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z","replies":["c|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z|D\u00e9s\u00e9quilibre"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Déséquilibre|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z"></span>Déséquilibre<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Déséquilibre|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z|Déséquilibre"></span>Cet article est déséquilibré. Il parle principalement des polémiques du "Monde" des années 2000, alors qu'à cette époque, Le Monde est déjà presque mort, tandis que son heure de gloire est la IVeme République et les débuts de la Veme, du temps d'Hubert Beuve-Méry, et cette époque est expédiée dans l'article.
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En effet, cet article est globalement Excessivement critique et donne l'impression d'une succession de polémiques entourant le journal.
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Au lieu d'insister sur la volonté d'objectivité et de neutralité idéologique, tout en accordant la parole aux différents courants, tribunes ou éditoriaux signés et par conséquent orientés.
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Le fait qu'une poignée de journalistes soient en désaccord avec leur directeur tous les 4 matins fait partie de la vie de toute publication et plutôt un signe de vitalité. L'article Wikipedia évoque plutot une succession de censures et de partis pris personnels injustifiés.
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--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB" title="Spécial:Contributions/2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB">2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_utilisateur:2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussion utilisateur:2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB (page inexistante)">discuter</a>) 11 janvier 2015 à 11:32 (CET)A.C.<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z|D\u00e9s\u00e9quilibre","replies":["c|Celette|2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z","author":"2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB" title="Spécial:Contributions/2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB">2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_utilisateur:2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussion utilisateur:2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB (page inexistante)">discuter</a>) 11 janvier 2015 à 11:32 (CET)A.C.<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z|D\u00e9s\u00e9quilibre","replies":["c|Celette|2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z","author":"2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z|Déséquilibre"></span></p>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Celette|2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z"></span>On attend une réaction similaire sur la PdD de l'article du <i>Figaro</i>. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisatrice:Celette" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisatrice:Celette">Celette</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisatrice:Celette" title="Discussion utilisatrice:Celette">discuter</a>) 12 janvier 2015 à 21:47 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Celette|2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z","author":"Celette"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Celette|2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Celette|2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z"></span>On attend une réaction similaire sur la PdD de l'article du <i>Figaro</i>. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisatrice:Celette" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisatrice:Celette">Celette</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisatrice:Celette" title="Discussion utilisatrice:Celette">discuter</a>) 12 janvier 2015 à 21:47 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Celette|2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z","author":"Celette"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Celette|2015-01-12T20:47:00.000Z|2A01:E35:8AE2:3E10:40F5:EB62:596A:89DB|2015-01-11T10:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Histoire_.26_Civilisations"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Histoire_&_Civilisations" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Histoire_&_Civilisations|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|H\u00e9g\u00e9sippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z|Histoire_&_Civilisations"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Histoire_&_Civilisations|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z"></span>Histoire & Civilisations<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Histoire_&_Civilisations|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Hégésippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z|Histoire_&_Civilisations"></span>@ <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Notron" title="Utilisateur:Notron">Notron</a> : <i>Histoire National Geographic</i> devenant <i>Histoire & Civilisations</i> <b>n'est pas édité</b> par <i>Le MOnde</i>, lequel ne fait que présenter la chose, comme pour les 30 volumes parus entre janvier et août. La maîtrise éditoriale est et a toujours été assurée par la filiale française du <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Groupe_RBA&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Groupe RBA (page inexistante)">groupe RBA</a> <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBA" class="extiw" title="ca:RBA"><span class="indicateur-langue" title="Équivalent de l’article « groupe RBA » dans une autre langue">(ca)</span></a>, basé à Barcelone, avec de simples partenariats avec <i>National Geographic</i> et <i>Le MOnde</i>. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:H%C3%A9g%C3%A9sippe_Cormier" title="Utilisateur:Hégésippe Cormier">Hégésippe</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:H%C3%A9g%C3%A9sippe_Cormier" title="Discussion utilisateur:Hégésippe Cormier"><b>discuter</b></a>) [opérateur] 25 septembre 2014 à 08:08 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|H\u00e9g\u00e9sippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z|Histoire_&_Civilisations","replies":["c|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z|H\u00e9g\u00e9sippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z","author":"H\u00e9g\u00e9sippe Cormier"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Hégésippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z|Histoire_&_Civilisations"></span>@ <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Notron" title="Utilisateur:Notron">Notron</a> : <i>Histoire National Geographic</i> devenant <i>Histoire & Civilisations</i> <b>n'est pas édité</b> par <i>Le MOnde</i>, lequel ne fait que présenter la chose, comme pour les 30 volumes parus entre janvier et août. La maîtrise éditoriale est et a toujours été assurée par la filiale française du <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Groupe_RBA&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Groupe RBA (page inexistante)">groupe RBA</a> <a href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBA" class="extiw" title="ca:RBA"><span class="indicateur-langue" title="Équivalent de l’article « groupe RBA » dans une autre langue">(ca)</span></a>, basé à Barcelone, avec de simples partenariats avec <i>National Geographic</i> et <i>Le MOnde</i>. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:H%C3%A9g%C3%A9sippe_Cormier" title="Utilisateur:Hégésippe Cormier">Hégésippe</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:H%C3%A9g%C3%A9sippe_Cormier" title="Discussion utilisateur:Hégésippe Cormier"><b>discuter</b></a>) [opérateur] 25 septembre 2014 à 08:08 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|H\u00e9g\u00e9sippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z|Histoire_&_Civilisations","replies":["c|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z|H\u00e9g\u00e9sippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z","author":"H\u00e9g\u00e9sippe Cormier"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z|Hégésippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z"></span>Il n'est pas incongrus d'y faire référence sur la page consacrée au <i>Monde</i>, quand le magazine s'appel <i>Le Monde National Geographic Histoire & Civilisations</i> il conserve le partenariat de <i>National Geographic</i> et s'ajoute le partenariat du <i>Monde</i>. C'est coédité sous forme de partenariat entre <i>Le Monde</i> et <i>National Geographic</i> c'est réalisé par les équipes RBA France (basée à Paris, 105, avenue Raymond Poincaré), filiale française de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Groupe_RBA&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Groupe RBA (page inexistante)">Groupe RBA</a> <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBA" class="extiw" title="es:RBA"><span class="indicateur-langue" title="Équivalent de l’article « Groupe RBA » dans une autre langue">(es)</span></a> dont la maison mère est à Barcelone. <i>Le Monde</i> à créé une rubrique <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lemonde.fr/histoire-civilisations/">Histoire & Civilisations</a> sur son site.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Notron" title="Utilisateur:Notron">Notron</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Notron" title="Discussion utilisateur:Notron">discuter</a>) 2 octobre 2014 à 01:05 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z|H\u00e9g\u00e9sippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z","author":"Notron"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z|Hégésippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z"></span>+1 avec <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Notron" title="Utilisateur:Notron"><span title="page utilisateur du compte Notron">Notron</span></a> <small class="plainlinks">(<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Notron" title="Discussion utilisateur:Notron"><abbr class="abbr" title="page de discussion du compte Notron">d</abbr></a> · <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Notron" title="Spécial:Contributions/Notron"><abbr class="abbr" title="contributions du compte Notron">c</abbr></a> · <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Log&type=block&page=User:Notron"><span style="color:#002bb8;"><abbr class="abbr" title="blocages du compte Notron">b</abbr></span></a>)</small> : la présentation assume complètement une responsabilité éditoriale (« Une collection " Le Monde " », « ce volume de notre collection », etc.). Cela dit,si ces infos encombrent trop cet article, il est possible de créer un article <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupe_Le_Monde" title="Groupe Le Monde">Groupe Le Monde</a> ou <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%89ditions_Le_Monde&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Éditions Le Monde (page inexistante)">Éditions Le Monde</a>. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">azoée</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">¿∞?</a> 2 octobre 2014 à 09:32 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Azoee|2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Azoee|2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z|Hégésippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z"></span>Il n'est pas incongrus d'y faire référence sur la page consacrée au <i>Monde</i>, quand le magazine s'appel <i>Le Monde National Geographic Histoire & Civilisations</i> il conserve le partenariat de <i>National Geographic</i> et s'ajoute le partenariat du <i>Monde</i>. C'est coédité sous forme de partenariat entre <i>Le Monde</i> et <i>National Geographic</i> c'est réalisé par les équipes RBA France (basée à Paris, 105, avenue Raymond Poincaré), filiale française de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Groupe_RBA&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Groupe RBA (page inexistante)">Groupe RBA</a> <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBA" class="extiw" title="es:RBA"><span class="indicateur-langue" title="Équivalent de l’article « Groupe RBA » dans une autre langue">(es)</span></a> dont la maison mère est à Barcelone. <i>Le Monde</i> à créé une rubrique <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.lemonde.fr/histoire-civilisations/">Histoire & Civilisations</a> sur son site.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Notron" title="Utilisateur:Notron">Notron</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Notron" title="Discussion utilisateur:Notron">discuter</a>) 2 octobre 2014 à 01:05 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z|H\u00e9g\u00e9sippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|Azoee|2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z","author":"Notron"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z|Hégésippe Cormier|2014-09-25T06:08:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Azoee|2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z"></span>+1 avec <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Notron" title="Utilisateur:Notron"><span title="page utilisateur du compte Notron">Notron</span></a> <small class="plainlinks">(<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Notron" title="Discussion utilisateur:Notron"><abbr class="abbr" title="page de discussion du compte Notron">d</abbr></a> · <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Notron" title="Spécial:Contributions/Notron"><abbr class="abbr" title="contributions du compte Notron">c</abbr></a> · <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Log&type=block&page=User:Notron"><span style="color:#002bb8;"><abbr class="abbr" title="blocages du compte Notron">b</abbr></span></a>)</small> : la présentation assume complètement une responsabilité éditoriale (« Une collection " Le Monde " », « ce volume de notre collection », etc.). Cela dit,si ces infos encombrent trop cet article, il est possible de créer un article <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupe_Le_Monde" title="Groupe Le Monde">Groupe Le Monde</a> ou <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%89ditions_Le_Monde&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Éditions Le Monde (page inexistante)">Éditions Le Monde</a>. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Azoee" title="Utilisateur:Azoee">azoée</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Azoee" title="Discussion utilisateur:Azoee">¿∞?</a> 2 octobre 2014 à 09:32 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Azoee|2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z","author":"Azoee"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Azoee|2014-10-02T07:32:00.000Z|Notron|2014-10-01T23:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Fusion_entre_Le_Monde_et_Le_Monde_interactif" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Fusion_entre_Le_Monde_et_Le_Monde_interactif|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":["c|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z|Fusion_entre_Le_Monde_et_Le_Monde_interactif"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Fusion_entre_Le_Monde_et_Le_Monde_interactif|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span>Fusion entre <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde" title="Le Monde">Le Monde</a> et <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde_interactif" class="mw-redirect" title="Le Monde interactif">Le Monde interactif</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h|Fusion_entre_Le_Monde_et_Le_Monde_interactif|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><small><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z|Fusion_entre_Le_Monde_et_Le_Monde_interactif"></span>Discussion transférée depuis <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pages_%C3%A0_fusionner" title="Wikipédia:Pages à fusionner">Wikipédia:Pages à fusionner</a></small> <br/>
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Idem que pour la section précédente, et dans la lignée de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:L%27%C3%89quipe_interactif/Suppression" title="Discussion:L'Équipe interactif/Suppression">Discussion:L'Équipe interactif/Suppression</a> ; d’autant que <i><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde.fr" class="mw-redirect" title="Le Monde.fr">Le Monde.fr</a></i> redirige vers… <i><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde" title="Le Monde">Le Monde</a></i>.
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</p><p>Une redirection vers <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde#Le_Monde.fr" title="Le Monde">Le Monde#Le Monde.fr</a> me semblerait plus pertinente.
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</p><p><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Schlum" title="Utilisateur:Schlum">schlum</a> <sup><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Schlum" title="Discussion utilisateur:Schlum">=^.^=</a></sup> 31 mars 2016 à 11:06 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z|Fusion_entre_Le_Monde_et_Le_Monde_interactif","replies":["c|Krosian2B|2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|Daxipedia|2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|Apipo1907|2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|Jmex|2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|Nouill|2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","author":"Schlum"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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</p><p><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Schlum" title="Utilisateur:Schlum">schlum</a> <sup><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Schlum" title="Discussion utilisateur:Schlum">=^.^=</a></sup> 31 mars 2016 à 11:06 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z|Fusion_entre_Le_Monde_et_Le_Monde_interactif","replies":["c|Krosian2B|2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|Daxipedia|2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|Apipo1907|2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|Jmex|2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|Nouill|2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","c|L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","author":"Schlum"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Krosian2B|2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong> --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Krosian2B" title="Utilisateur:Krosian2B">Krosian2B</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Krosian2B" title="Discussion utilisateur:Krosian2B">discuter</a>) 31 mars 2016 à 18:43 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Krosian2B|2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Krosian2B"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Krosian2B|2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Daxipedia|2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong>. Contrairement au cas du <i>Figaro</i> (voir mon avis ci-dessus), le terme <i>Le Monde interactif</i> semble bel et bien avoir existé, la redirection post-fusion semble donc cohérente. - <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Daxipedia" title="Utilisateur:Daxipedia"><b>Dax</b>ipedia - <b>達克斯</b>百科</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Daxipedia" title="Discussion utilisateur:Daxipedia">discuter</a>) 31 mars 2016 à 23:24 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Daxipedia|2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z","author":"Daxipedia"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Daxipedia|2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Apipo1907|2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong> fusion possible car <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_monde" class="mw-redirect" title="Le monde">Le monde</a> contient toutes les informations nécessaires qui sont abordées dans <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde_interactif" class="mw-redirect" title="Le Monde interactif">Le Monde interactif</a>. Cordialement<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Apipo1907" title="Utilisateur:Apipo1907">Apipo1907</a> <sup><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Apipo1907" title="Discussion utilisateur:Apipo1907">jambo !!!</a></sup> 1 avril 2016 à 09:41 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Apipo1907|2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z","author":"Apipo1907"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Apipo1907|2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Jmex|2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Contre</strong> j'estime que le Monde interactif mérite d'avoir son article, lequel a un fort potentiel de développement vu l'importance que prennent les activités numériques pour ce vénérable journal. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Jmex" title="Utilisateur:Jmex">Jmex</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Jmex" title="Discussion utilisateur:Jmex">(♫)</a> 4 avril 2016 à 17:30 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Jmex|2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z","author":"Jmex"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jmex|2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Nouill|2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong>, le deuxième est un article très confus, la séparation rajoute de la confusion. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Nouill" title="Utilisateur:Nouill">Nouill</a> 11 avril 2016 à 06:00 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Nouill|2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z","author":"Nouill"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Nouill|2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|L'amateur d'aéroplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong> la redirection. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:L%27amateur_d%27a%C3%A9roplanes" title="Utilisateur:L'amateur d'aéroplanes">L'amateur d'aéroplanes</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:L%27amateur_d%27a%C3%A9roplanes" title="Discussion utilisateur:L'amateur d'aéroplanes">discuter</a>) 14 avril 2016 à 08:30 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":["c|Nouill|2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z|L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z","author":"L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|L'amateur d'aéroplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ol>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Nouill|2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z|L'amateur d'aéroplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z"></span>Fait, presque rien à transférer. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Nouill" title="Utilisateur:Nouill">Nouill</a> 17 avril 2016 à 08:58 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Nouill|2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z|L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z","author":"Nouill"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Nouill|2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z|L'amateur d'aéroplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Krosian2B|2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong> --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Krosian2B" title="Utilisateur:Krosian2B">Krosian2B</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Krosian2B" title="Discussion utilisateur:Krosian2B">discuter</a>) 31 mars 2016 à 18:43 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Krosian2B|2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Krosian2B"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Krosian2B|2016-03-31T16:43:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Daxipedia|2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong>. Contrairement au cas du <i>Figaro</i> (voir mon avis ci-dessus), le terme <i>Le Monde interactif</i> semble bel et bien avoir existé, la redirection post-fusion semble donc cohérente. - <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Daxipedia" title="Utilisateur:Daxipedia"><b>Dax</b>ipedia - <b>達克斯</b>百科</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Daxipedia" title="Discussion utilisateur:Daxipedia">discuter</a>) 31 mars 2016 à 23:24 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Daxipedia|2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z","author":"Daxipedia"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Daxipedia|2016-03-31T21:24:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Apipo1907|2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong> fusion possible car <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_monde" class="mw-redirect" title="Le monde">Le monde</a> contient toutes les informations nécessaires qui sont abordées dans <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde_interactif" class="mw-redirect" title="Le Monde interactif">Le Monde interactif</a>. Cordialement<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Apipo1907" title="Utilisateur:Apipo1907">Apipo1907</a> <sup><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Apipo1907" title="Discussion utilisateur:Apipo1907">jambo !!!</a></sup> 1 avril 2016 à 09:41 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Apipo1907|2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z","author":"Apipo1907"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Apipo1907|2016-04-01T07:41:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Jmex|2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Contre</strong> j'estime que le Monde interactif mérite d'avoir son article, lequel a un fort potentiel de développement vu l'importance que prennent les activités numériques pour ce vénérable journal. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Jmex" title="Utilisateur:Jmex">Jmex</a> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Jmex" title="Discussion utilisateur:Jmex">(♫)</a> 4 avril 2016 à 17:30 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Jmex|2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z","author":"Jmex"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Jmex|2016-04-04T15:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Nouill|2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong>, le deuxième est un article très confus, la séparation rajoute de la confusion. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Nouill" title="Utilisateur:Nouill">Nouill</a> 11 avril 2016 à 06:00 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Nouill|2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z","author":"Nouill"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Nouill|2016-04-11T04:00:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|L'amateur d'aéroplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/> <strong>Pour</strong> la redirection. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:L%27amateur_d%27a%C3%A9roplanes" title="Utilisateur:L'amateur d'aéroplanes">L'amateur d'aéroplanes</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:L%27amateur_d%27a%C3%A9roplanes" title="Discussion utilisateur:L'amateur d'aéroplanes">discuter</a>) 14 avril 2016 à 08:30 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z","replies":["c|Nouill|2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z|L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z","author":"L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|L'amateur d'aéroplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z|Schlum|2016-03-31T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ol>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Nouill|2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z|L'amateur d'aéroplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z"></span>Fait, presque rien à transférer. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Nouill" title="Utilisateur:Nouill">Nouill</a> 17 avril 2016 à 08:58 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Nouill|2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z|L'amateur d'a\u00e9roplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z","author":"Nouill"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Nouill|2016-04-17T06:58:00.000Z|L'amateur d'aéroplanes|2016-04-14T06:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<p>La source est insuffisante pour justifier la mention "Classé parmi les quotidiens français « de référence »", non ?
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<h2><span id="D.C3.A9claration_partisane_.3F.3F.3F"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Déclaration_partisane_???" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|D\u00e9claration_partisane_???|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z|D\u00e9claration_partisane_???"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Déclaration_partisane_???|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z"></span>Déclaration partisane ???<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Déclaration_partisane_???|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z|Déclaration_partisane_???"></span>@<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Utilisateur:Salsero35">Salsero35</a> Pourriez vous être plus explicite sur ce qui empêche, d'un coup, que cette citation d'Ariane Chemin <a class="external autonumber" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Le_Monde&curd=963679&diff=167590631&oldid=167574976">[3]</a> issue d'un article de Pierre Péan paru dans le Le Monde Diplomatique figure dans l’article ? J'avoue ne pas comprendre. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 19 février 2020 à 18:08 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z|D\u00e9claration_partisane_???","replies":["c|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z","author":"J'en passe et des meilleurs"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z|Déclaration_partisane_???"></span>@<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Utilisateur:Salsero35">Salsero35</a> Pourriez vous être plus explicite sur ce qui empêche, d'un coup, que cette citation d'Ariane Chemin <a class="external autonumber" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Le_Monde&curd=963679&diff=167590631&oldid=167574976">[3]</a> issue d'un article de Pierre Péan paru dans le Le Monde Diplomatique figure dans l’article ? J'avoue ne pas comprendre. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 19 février 2020 à 18:08 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z|D\u00e9claration_partisane_???","replies":["c|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z","author":"J'en passe et des meilleurs"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z"></span>Bonjour. Une journaliste qui émet un Pov sur son propre journal est une déclaration manquant d'indépendance et constitue une <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:SPS">source primaire</a>. Ce type de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:POV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:POV">WP:POV</a> est prohibé sur Wp. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Utilisateur:Salsero35">Salsero35 </a><sup class="exposant"><big><font color="#000080"> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Discussion utilisateur:Salsero35"><font color="#000080">☎</font></a> </font></big> </sup> 22 février 2020 à 13:29 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z","author":"Salsero35"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z"></span>Toute source secondaire travaille à partir de sources primaires. On ne peut donc rejeter une source secondaire (ici le Monde diplomatique, Pierre Péan <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2019/09/PEAN/60338">[4]</a>) au prétexte qu'elle relaie dans une démonstration une source primaire. Mais je comprends la réticence de Salsero35. Pour une information de ce genre, il vaudrait mieux trouver une source secondaire centrée sur le sujet (<i>Le Monde</i>), au cas où, par exemple, il y ait des enquêtes d'initiative menées par ce journal sur d'autres sujets que les « affaires », puisque c'est ce dont parle Pierre Péan. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Baldurar" title="Utilisateur:Baldurar">Baldurar</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Baldurar" title="Discussion utilisateur:Baldurar">discuter</a>) 22 février 2020 à 14:56 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z","replies":["c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z","author":"Baldurar"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z"></span>Il n’émet pas un POV sur son propre journal (ce qui n'est d'ailleurs plus le cas au moment où il a écrit ces lignes), il rapporte une citation d'Ariane Chemin non contestée par celle-ci à ma connaissance.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 24 février 2020 à 09:26 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z","replies":["c|Apollofox|2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z","author":"J'en passe et des meilleurs"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Apollofox|2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z"></span>Idem, une interview dans une source notoire (ici le monde diplo) n’est pas une source primaire. Son propre blog oui. Il faudrait rétablir en attribuant la déclaration et la source, si source contradictoire apparait on avisera mais ce n'est pas le cas. Mais Salsero si tu veux un bon gros TI à base de sources primaires, la partie “Articles et contributions extérieures sur la pédocriminalité”, qui mélange en plus homosexualité et pédophilie (le vieil amalgame), là il va falloir faire un sérieux ménage. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Apollofox" title="Utilisateur:Apollofox">Apollofox</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Apollofox" title="Discussion utilisateur:Apollofox">discuter</a>) 5 mars 2020 à 22:30 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Apollofox|2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z","author":"Apollofox"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Apollofox|2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z"></span>Bonjour. Une journaliste qui émet un Pov sur son propre journal est une déclaration manquant d'indépendance et constitue une <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:SPS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:SPS">source primaire</a>. Ce type de <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:POV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipédia:POV">WP:POV</a> est prohibé sur Wp. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Utilisateur:Salsero35">Salsero35 </a><sup class="exposant"><big><font color="#000080"> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Discussion utilisateur:Salsero35"><font color="#000080">☎</font></a> </font></big> </sup> 22 février 2020 à 13:29 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z","author":"Salsero35"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z"></span>Toute source secondaire travaille à partir de sources primaires. On ne peut donc rejeter une source secondaire (ici le Monde diplomatique, Pierre Péan <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2019/09/PEAN/60338">[4]</a>) au prétexte qu'elle relaie dans une démonstration une source primaire. Mais je comprends la réticence de Salsero35. Pour une information de ce genre, il vaudrait mieux trouver une source secondaire centrée sur le sujet (<i>Le Monde</i>), au cas où, par exemple, il y ait des enquêtes d'initiative menées par ce journal sur d'autres sujets que les « affaires », puisque c'est ce dont parle Pierre Péan. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Baldurar" title="Utilisateur:Baldurar">Baldurar</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Baldurar" title="Discussion utilisateur:Baldurar">discuter</a>) 22 février 2020 à 14:56 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z","replies":["c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z","author":"Baldurar"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z"></span>Il n’émet pas un POV sur son propre journal (ce qui n'est d'ailleurs plus le cas au moment où il a écrit ces lignes), il rapporte une citation d'Ariane Chemin non contestée par celle-ci à ma connaissance.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 24 février 2020 à 09:26 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z","replies":["c|Apollofox|2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z","author":"J'en passe et des meilleurs"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Apollofox|2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z"></span>Idem, une interview dans une source notoire (ici le monde diplo) n’est pas une source primaire. Son propre blog oui. Il faudrait rétablir en attribuant la déclaration et la source, si source contradictoire apparait on avisera mais ce n'est pas le cas. Mais Salsero si tu veux un bon gros TI à base de sources primaires, la partie “Articles et contributions extérieures sur la pédocriminalité”, qui mélange en plus homosexualité et pédophilie (le vieil amalgame), là il va falloir faire un sérieux ménage. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Apollofox" title="Utilisateur:Apollofox">Apollofox</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Apollofox" title="Discussion utilisateur:Apollofox">discuter</a>) 5 mars 2020 à 22:30 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Apollofox|2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z","author":"Apollofox"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Apollofox|2020-03-05T21:30:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-24T08:26:00.000Z|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Baldurar|2020-02-22T13:56:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Salsero35|2020-02-22T12:29:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-02-19T17:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Le_Monde_arros.C3.A9_par_Bill_Gates"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Le_Monde_arrosé_par_Bill_Gates" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Le_Monde_arros\u00e9_par_Bill_Gates|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z","replies":["c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z|Le_Monde_arros\u00e9_par_Bill_Gates"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Le_Monde_arrosé_par_Bill_Gates|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z"></span><i>Le Monde</i> arrosé par Bill Gates<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Le_Monde_arrosé_par_Bill_Gates|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z|Le_Monde_arrosé_par_Bill_Gates"></span>La Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation a arrosé <i>Le Monde</i> pendant plusieurs années, comme on peut le voir sur <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gatesfoundation.org/how-we-work/quick-links/grants-database#q/k=le%20monde">le site de cette fondation</a>. Je suppose que si on le mentionne dans l'article, ce sera réverté parce que provenant d'une source primaire ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Marvoir" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Marvoir">Marvoir</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Marvoir" title="Discussion utilisateur:Marvoir">discuter</a>) 1 mai 2020 à 15:09 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z|Le_Monde_arros\u00e9_par_Bill_Gates","replies":["c|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z","author":"Marvoir"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z|Le_Monde_arrosé_par_Bill_Gates"></span>La Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation a arrosé <i>Le Monde</i> pendant plusieurs années, comme on peut le voir sur <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gatesfoundation.org/how-we-work/quick-links/grants-database#q/k=le%20monde">le site de cette fondation</a>. Je suppose que si on le mentionne dans l'article, ce sera réverté parce que provenant d'une source primaire ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Marvoir" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Marvoir">Marvoir</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Marvoir" title="Discussion utilisateur:Marvoir">discuter</a>) 1 mai 2020 à 15:09 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z|Le_Monde_arros\u00e9_par_Bill_Gates","replies":["c|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z","author":"Marvoir"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z"></span>Bien supposé. Mais bien joué de la part de Marvoir : çà mange pas de pain de signaler ce fait en pdD, vu que ce contributeur estime que tous les grands journaux occidentaux sont à la solde de capitalistes financiers qui dictent la politique éditoriale de ces médias. Une des thématiques favorites des complotistes adeptes des sources alternatives dont leur activité éditoriale est, contrairement aux médias mainstream, dictée… que par le désintérêt et le goût de la vraie Vérité. Le pire, c'est que sa recherche sur ce site… ne concerne pas le journal Le Monde. Conclusion : on cherche … que ce qu'on veut chercher, et on est un POV-pusher justement parce qu'on cherche… que ce qu'on veut trouver. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Utilisateur:Salsero35">Salsero35 </a><sup class="exposant"><big><font color="#000080"> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Discussion utilisateur:Salsero35"><font color="#000080">☎</font></a> </font></big> </sup> 1 mai 2020 à 16:18 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z","replies":["c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z","author":"Salsero35"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z"></span>Vous dites qu'il ne s'agit pas du journal Le Monde. Je veux bien vous croire, mais pouvez-vous préciser quel est alors l'organisme appelé "Le Monde" qui a été arrosé par la Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Marvoir" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Marvoir">Marvoir</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Marvoir" title="Discussion utilisateur:Marvoir">discuter</a>) 1 mai 2020 à 17:27 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z","author":"Marvoir"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Utilisateur:Salsero35"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z"></span>Salsero35 </a>, ne pourriez-vous vraiment pas répondre à ma question ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Marvoir" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Marvoir">Marvoir</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Marvoir" title="Discussion utilisateur:Marvoir">discuter</a>) 1 mai 2020 à 19:50 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z","replies":["c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z","author":"Marvoir"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span>Tiens on sort le coup du complotisme. Si effectivement Le Monde a bénéficié de subventions (et visiblement assez importantes) il n'y a pas de raison de le cacher, surtout si le donateur en fait la publicité. Ca permettra de faire taire toute rumeur venue de complotistes justement.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 09:13 (CEST) Et c'est même essentiel, d'un point de vue encyclopédique, ça évitera tout sourçage par ce journal d’articles wiki sur Bill Gates ou sa fondation--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 09:18 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z","replies":["c|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z","author":"J'en passe et des meilleurs"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z"></span>Je suppose qu'il s'agit de choses telles que <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2019/03/OPP1210145">ça</a> ? Mais c'est une source primaire sauf erreur. Je ne suis pas à priori contre, sauf qu'il faut à minima que le contributeur soit modéré et prudent dans ses propos ; "Le Monde arrosé par Bill Gates", ça n'est pas franchement le bon registre. Donc oui, ça sera reverté. Cordialement. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Touam" title="Utilisateur:Touam">Touam</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Touam" title="Discussion utilisateur:Touam">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 14:52 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z","replies":["c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z","author":"Touam"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z"></span>Y'a ça aussi <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.franceculture.fr/medias/la-presse-lassaut-des-philanthropes">https://www.franceculture.fr/medias/la-presse-lassaut-des-philanthropes</a>. Les sources primaires ne sont d'ailleurs pas interdites.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 14:56 (CEST) ou encore ça <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/fortune-que-fait-bill-gates-de-tout-son-argent-593854.html--">https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/fortune-que-fait-bill-gates-de-tout-son-argent-593854.html--</a><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 14:58 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z","author":"J'en passe et des meilleurs"}">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z"></span>Bien supposé. Mais bien joué de la part de Marvoir : çà mange pas de pain de signaler ce fait en pdD, vu que ce contributeur estime que tous les grands journaux occidentaux sont à la solde de capitalistes financiers qui dictent la politique éditoriale de ces médias. Une des thématiques favorites des complotistes adeptes des sources alternatives dont leur activité éditoriale est, contrairement aux médias mainstream, dictée… que par le désintérêt et le goût de la vraie Vérité. Le pire, c'est que sa recherche sur ce site… ne concerne pas le journal Le Monde. Conclusion : on cherche … que ce qu'on veut chercher, et on est un POV-pusher justement parce qu'on cherche… que ce qu'on veut trouver. <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Utilisateur:Salsero35">Salsero35 </a><sup class="exposant"><big><font color="#000080"> <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Discussion utilisateur:Salsero35"><font color="#000080">☎</font></a> </font></big> </sup> 1 mai 2020 à 16:18 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z","replies":["c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z","author":"Salsero35"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T13:09:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z"></span>Vous dites qu'il ne s'agit pas du journal Le Monde. Je veux bien vous croire, mais pouvez-vous préciser quel est alors l'organisme appelé "Le Monde" qui a été arrosé par la Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Marvoir" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Marvoir">Marvoir</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Marvoir" title="Discussion utilisateur:Marvoir">discuter</a>) 1 mai 2020 à 17:27 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z","author":"Marvoir"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z|Salsero35|2020-05-01T14:18:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Salsero35" title="Utilisateur:Salsero35"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z"></span>Salsero35 </a>, ne pourriez-vous vraiment pas répondre à ma question ? <a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Marvoir" class="mw-redirect" title="Utilisateur:Marvoir">Marvoir</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Marvoir" title="Discussion utilisateur:Marvoir">discuter</a>) 1 mai 2020 à 19:50 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z","replies":["c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z","author":"Marvoir"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T15:27:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span>Tiens on sort le coup du complotisme. Si effectivement Le Monde a bénéficié de subventions (et visiblement assez importantes) il n'y a pas de raison de le cacher, surtout si le donateur en fait la publicité. Ca permettra de faire taire toute rumeur venue de complotistes justement.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 09:13 (CEST) Et c'est même essentiel, d'un point de vue encyclopédique, ça évitera tout sourçage par ce journal d’articles wiki sur Bill Gates ou sa fondation--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 09:18 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z","replies":["c|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z","author":"J'en passe et des meilleurs"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z|Marvoir|2020-05-01T17:50:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z"></span>Je suppose qu'il s'agit de choses telles que <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2019/03/OPP1210145">ça</a> ? Mais c'est une source primaire sauf erreur. Je ne suis pas à priori contre, sauf qu'il faut à minima que le contributeur soit modéré et prudent dans ses propos ; "Le Monde arrosé par Bill Gates", ça n'est pas franchement le bon registre. Donc oui, ça sera reverté. Cordialement. --<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Touam" title="Utilisateur:Touam">Touam</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:Touam" title="Discussion utilisateur:Touam">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 14:52 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z","replies":["c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z","author":"Touam"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T07:13:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z"></span>Y'a ça aussi <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.franceculture.fr/medias/la-presse-lassaut-des-philanthropes">https://www.franceculture.fr/medias/la-presse-lassaut-des-philanthropes</a>. Les sources primaires ne sont d'ailleurs pas interdites.--<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 14:56 (CEST) ou encore ça <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/fortune-que-fait-bill-gates-de-tout-son-argent-593854.html--">https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/fortune-que-fait-bill-gates-de-tout-son-argent-593854.html--</a><a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">J'en passe et des meilleurs</a> (<a href="//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:J%27en_passe_et_des_meilleurs" title="Discussion utilisateur:J'en passe et des meilleurs">discuter</a>) 4 mai 2020 à 14:58 (CEST)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z","author":"J'en passe et des meilleurs"}" href="">répondre</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|J'en passe et des meilleurs|2020-05-04T12:56:00.000Z|Touam|2020-05-04T12:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z","replies":["c|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z|Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z"></span>Biografia di Gino Coletti<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z|Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti"></span>Nella mia personale sandbox ho riscritto la biografia di Gino Coletti in quanto la prima era stata cancellata perchè ritenuta copiata. In Discusione ho richiesto un vostro parere. Per favore potete verificare.
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Vi ringrazio.
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Depoggial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Depoggial (la pagina non esiste)">Depoggial</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Depoggial" title="Discussioni utente:Depoggial">msg</a>) 19:25, 6 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z|Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti","replies":["c|Depoggial|2020-11-13T21:16:00.000Z|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z","author":"Depoggial"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z|Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti"></span>
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Depoggial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Depoggial (la pagina non esiste)">Depoggial</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Depoggial" title="Discussioni utente:Depoggial">msg</a>) 19:25, 6 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z|Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti","replies":["c|Depoggial|2020-11-13T21:16:00.000Z|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z","author":"Depoggial"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z|Biografia_di_Gino_Coletti"></span>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Depoggial|2020-11-13T21:16:00.000Z|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z"></span>Se serve faccio presente che la mia utenza è: depoggial/sandbox</dd>
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<dd>--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Depoggial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Depoggial (la pagina non esiste)">Depoggial</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Depoggial" title="Discussioni utente:Depoggial">msg</a>) 22:16, 13 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Depoggial|2020-11-13T21:16:00.000Z|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T21:16:00.000Z","author":"Depoggial"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Depoggial|2020-11-13T21:16:00.000Z|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dd>--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Depoggial&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Depoggial (la pagina non esiste)">Depoggial</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Depoggial" title="Discussioni utente:Depoggial">msg</a>) 22:16, 13 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Depoggial|2020-11-13T21:16:00.000Z|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T21:16:00.000Z","author":"Depoggial"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Depoggial|2020-11-13T21:16:00.000Z|Depoggial|2020-11-06T18:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine.2FSandbox"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine/Sandbox" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine\/Sa|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z","replies":["c|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z|Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine\/Sa"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine/Sa|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z"></span>Salvare anteprima pagina senza pubblicarla - Componenti standard per macchine/Sandbox<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine/Sa|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z|Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine/Sa"></span>Ciao, sto usando per la prima volta Wikipedia e ho creato una pagina aziendale. Ho scritto tutto il contenuto nella pagina di prova, ma prima di pubblicarla vorrei salvarla e inoltrare il link al Manager. Come posso fare? non vedo pulsanti "salva", ma solo "pubblica"
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grazie mille <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Componenti_standard_per_macchine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Componenti standard per macchine (la pagina non esiste)">Componenti standard per macchine</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:Componenti_standard_per_macchine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:Componenti standard per macchine (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Componenti_standard_per_macchine" title="Speciale:Contributi/Componenti standard per macchine">contributi</a>) 08:33, 13 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z|Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine\/Sa","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z","author":"Componenti standard per macchine"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z|Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine/Sa"></span>
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grazie mille <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Componenti_standard_per_macchine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Componenti standard per macchine (la pagina non esiste)">Componenti standard per macchine</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:Componenti_standard_per_macchine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:Componenti standard per macchine (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Componenti_standard_per_macchine" title="Speciale:Contributi/Componenti standard per macchine">contributi</a>) 08:33, 13 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z|Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine\/Sa","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z","author":"Componenti standard per macchine"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z|Salvare_anteprima_pagina_senza_pubblicarla_-_Componenti_standard_per_macchine/Sa"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Componenti_standard_per_macchine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Componenti standard per macchine (la pagina non esiste)">Componenti standard per macchine</a>]</b></small> il pulsante "Pubblica" è proprio quello che va premuto--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 08:36, 13 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z","replies":["c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-13T10:19:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Componenti_standard_per_macchine&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Componenti standard per macchine (la pagina non esiste)">Componenti standard per macchine</a>]</b></small> il pulsante "Pubblica" è proprio quello che va premuto--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 08:36, 13 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z","replies":["c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-13T10:19:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z|Componenti standard per macchine|2020-11-13T07:33:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-13T10:19:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z"></span>Con pubblica verrà salvata, anche se non nell'enciclopedia vera e propria ma nella pagina di prova, sarà comunque a visibile a tutti.</dd>
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<dd>In Wikipedia non esistono "manager". O intendi il manager dell'azienda in questione? Consiglio lettura di <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiografie" title="Wikipedia:Autobiografie">Wikipedia:Autobiografie</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avvertenze_sulla_contribuzione_su_commissione" title="Wikipedia:Avvertenze sulla contribuzione su commissione">Wikipedia:Avvertenze sulla contribuzione su commissione</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Nome_utente#_Nomi_utente_inappropriati_(NUI)" title="Aiuto:Nome utente">Aiuto:Nome utente# Nomi utente inappropriati (NUI)</a> (e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">Aiuto:Firma</a>). --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.9.146.3" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.9.146.3">87.9.146.3</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.9.146.3" title="Discussioni utente:87.9.146.3">msg</a>) 11:19, 13 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-13T10:19:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T10:19:00.000Z","author":"87.9.146.3"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-13T10:19:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dd>In Wikipedia non esistono "manager". O intendi il manager dell'azienda in questione? Consiglio lettura di <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiografie" title="Wikipedia:Autobiografie">Wikipedia:Autobiografie</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avvertenze_sulla_contribuzione_su_commissione" title="Wikipedia:Avvertenze sulla contribuzione su commissione">Wikipedia:Avvertenze sulla contribuzione su commissione</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Nome_utente#_Nomi_utente_inappropriati_(NUI)" title="Aiuto:Nome utente">Aiuto:Nome utente# Nomi utente inappropriati (NUI)</a> (e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">Aiuto:Firma</a>). --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.9.146.3" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.9.146.3">87.9.146.3</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.9.146.3" title="Discussioni utente:87.9.146.3">msg</a>) 11:19, 13 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-13T10:19:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T10:19:00.000Z","author":"87.9.146.3"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-13T10:19:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-13T07:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z","replies":["c|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span>Vorrei cambiare ed aggiungere foto sulla mia pagina<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina"></span>Buongiorno! Sto cercando di cambiare una foto della mia pagina, ma wikipedia non me lo permette perché non abilitato. Cosa devo fare per esserlo?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Giuliano_Caputi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Giuliano Caputi (la pagina non esiste)">Giuliano Caputi</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Giuliano_Caputi" title="Discussioni utente:Giuliano Caputi">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Giuliano_Caputi" title="Speciale:Contributi/Giuliano Caputi">contributi</a>) 12:28, 13 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina","replies":["c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z","author":"Giuliano Caputi"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina"></span>Buongiorno! Sto cercando di cambiare una foto della mia pagina, ma wikipedia non me lo permette perché non abilitato. Cosa devo fare per esserlo?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Giuliano_Caputi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Giuliano Caputi (la pagina non esiste)">Giuliano Caputi</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Giuliano_Caputi" title="Discussioni utente:Giuliano Caputi">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Giuliano_Caputi" title="Speciale:Contributi/Giuliano Caputi">contributi</a>) 12:28, 13 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina","replies":["c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z","author":"Giuliano Caputi"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z|Vorrei_cambiare_ed_aggiungere_foto_sulla_mia_pagina"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span>Dalle tue modifiche alla pagina a me pare tu sia stato perfettamente in grado di farlo; è stato <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap">Ap7189ap</a>]</b></small> a spostare l'immagine nel parametro apposito del Template {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Bio" title="Template:Bio">Bio</a>}}. Puoi regolare le dimensioni anche così.--<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:red">Enzo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Discussioni utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:blue">Encius</span></a></b></span> 15:45, 14 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z","replies":["c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z","author":"Enzo Encius"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z"></span>Per farlo esiste lo specifico parametro <code>|DimImmagine = </code>.--<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:red">Enzo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Discussioni utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:blue">Encius</span></a></b></span> 15:46, 14 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z","author":"Enzo Encius"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span>Dalle tue modifiche alla pagina a me pare tu sia stato perfettamente in grado di farlo; è stato <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap">Ap7189ap</a>]</b></small> a spostare l'immagine nel parametro apposito del Template {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Bio" title="Template:Bio">Bio</a>}}. Puoi regolare le dimensioni anche così.--<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:red">Enzo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Discussioni utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:blue">Encius</span></a></b></span> 15:45, 14 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z","replies":["c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z","author":"Enzo Encius"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z|Giuliano Caputi|2020-11-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z"></span>Per farlo esiste lo specifico parametro <code>|DimImmagine = </code>.--<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:red">Enzo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Discussioni utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:blue">Encius</span></a></b></span> 15:46, 14 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z","author":"Enzo Encius"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:46:00.000Z|Enzo Encius|2020-11-14T14:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato|2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z","replies":["c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z|voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato|2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z"></span>voce riguardante un centro abitato<span data-mw-comment-end="h|voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato|2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z|voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato"></span>Salve,
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devo inserire nella voce Roccalvecce informazioni che riguardano tale centro abitato, frazione del comune di Vierbo. Vorrei strutturare la pagina come quella dei centri abitati con una finestra laterale con le info riguardanti abitanti, altitudine etcc... ed una finestra cin l'indice. Come devo fare? <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Maurizioneri&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Maurizioneri (la pagina non esiste)">Maurizioneri</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Maurizioneri" title="Discussioni utente:Maurizioneri">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Maurizioneri" title="Speciale:Contributi/Maurizioneri">contributi</a>) 14 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small>
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<dl><dd>In <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Modello_di_voce/Centro_abitato" title="Wikipedia:Modello di voce/Centro abitato">Wikipedia:Modello di voce/Centro abitato</a> trovi alcune informazioni.</dd>
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<dd>Per il riquadro in alto a destra con le informazioni, vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Template_sinottici" title="Aiuto:Template sinottici">Aiuto:Template sinottici</a> e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Divisione_amministrativa" title="Template:Divisione amministrativa">Template:Divisione amministrativa</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.9.146.3" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.9.146.3">87.9.146.3</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.9.146.3" title="Discussioni utente:87.9.146.3">msg</a>) 19:32, 14 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z|voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z","author":"87.9.146.3"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z|voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato"></span></dd></dl>
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<dd>Per il riquadro in alto a destra con le informazioni, vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Template_sinottici" title="Aiuto:Template sinottici">Aiuto:Template sinottici</a> e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Divisione_amministrativa" title="Template:Divisione amministrativa">Template:Divisione amministrativa</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.9.146.3" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.9.146.3">87.9.146.3</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.9.146.3" title="Discussioni utente:87.9.146.3">msg</a>) 19:32, 14 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z|voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z","author":"87.9.146.3"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.9.146.3|2020-11-14T18:32:00.000Z|voce_riguardante_un_centro_abitato"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z","replies":["c|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z|Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z"></span>Creare pagina di uno scrittore argentino<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z|Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino"></span>Buonasera a tutti, scrivo per chiedere aiuto per creare la pagina in italiano di uno scrittore argentino (<a class="external free" href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germán_García">https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germán_García</a>)
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</p><p>Ho cominciato a scrivere una bozza Utente:AstrolabioD/Sandbox seguendo il tour guidato ma non riesco ad andare avanti. Vorrei sapere come farlo prima di continuare a introdurre informazione. Grazie
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:AstrolabioD" title="Utente:AstrolabioD">AstrolabioD</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:AstrolabioD" title="Discussioni utente:AstrolabioD">msg</a>) 20:52, 14 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z|Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino","replies":["c|Mtarch11|2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z","author":"AstrolabioD"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z|Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino"></span>
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:AstrolabioD" title="Utente:AstrolabioD">AstrolabioD</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:AstrolabioD" title="Discussioni utente:AstrolabioD">msg</a>) 20:52, 14 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z|Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino","replies":["c|Mtarch11|2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z","author":"AstrolabioD"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z|Creare_pagina_di_uno_scrittore_argentino"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mtarch11|2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z"></span>Ciao <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:AstrolabioD" title="Utente:AstrolabioD">AstrolabioD</a>]</b></small>, nella tua sandbox puoi lavorare quanto e come vuoi, senza fretta! Puoi dare un'occhiata alle <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Convenzioni_di_stile/Biografie" title="Wikipedia:Convenzioni di stile/Biografie">convenzioni di stile</a> relative alle biografie e - in caso di traduzione - puoi utilizzare anche <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Content_Translation" title="Aiuto:Content Translation">Content translation</a>, che è uno strumento utile per tradurre voci da altre versioni linguistiche di Wikipedia, da utilizzare seguendo quanto indicato su <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TRADURRE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRADURRE">WP:TRADURRE</a>. Detto ciò, ti invito a leggere <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TUTOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TUTOR">questa pagina</a>, dove - qualora le spiegazioni non fossero sufficienti - puoi richiedere direttamente un tutor. Per qualsiasi altro chiarimento e/o informazione non esitare a scrivermi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Mtarch11" title="Discussioni utente:Mtarch11">cliccando qui</a>. Grazie! --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Mtarch11" title="Utente:Mtarch11">Mtarch11</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Mtarch11" title="Discussioni utente:Mtarch11">msg</a>) 12:35, 15 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Mtarch11|2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z","author":"Mtarch11"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mtarch11|2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mtarch11|2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z"></span>Ciao <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:AstrolabioD" title="Utente:AstrolabioD">AstrolabioD</a>]</b></small>, nella tua sandbox puoi lavorare quanto e come vuoi, senza fretta! Puoi dare un'occhiata alle <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Convenzioni_di_stile/Biografie" title="Wikipedia:Convenzioni di stile/Biografie">convenzioni di stile</a> relative alle biografie e - in caso di traduzione - puoi utilizzare anche <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Content_Translation" title="Aiuto:Content Translation">Content translation</a>, che è uno strumento utile per tradurre voci da altre versioni linguistiche di Wikipedia, da utilizzare seguendo quanto indicato su <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TRADURRE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TRADURRE">WP:TRADURRE</a>. Detto ciò, ti invito a leggere <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TUTOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TUTOR">questa pagina</a>, dove - qualora le spiegazioni non fossero sufficienti - puoi richiedere direttamente un tutor. Per qualsiasi altro chiarimento e/o informazione non esitare a scrivermi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Mtarch11" title="Discussioni utente:Mtarch11">cliccando qui</a>. Grazie! --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Mtarch11" title="Utente:Mtarch11">Mtarch11</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Mtarch11" title="Discussioni utente:Mtarch11">msg</a>) 12:35, 15 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Mtarch11|2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z","author":"Mtarch11"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mtarch11|2020-11-15T11:35:00.000Z|AstrolabioD|2020-11-14T19:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Assenza_del_tasto_.22sposta.22_dalla_mia_sandbox"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Assenza_del_tasto_"sposta"_dalla_mia_sandbox" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Assenza_del_tasto_\"sposta\"_dalla_mia_sandbox|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z","replies":["c|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z|Assenza_del_tasto_\"sposta\"_dalla_mia_sandbox"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Assenza_del_tasto_"sposta"_dalla_mia_sandbox|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z"></span>Assenza del tasto "sposta" dalla mia sandbox<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Assenza_del_tasto_"sposta"_dalla_mia_sandbox|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z|Assenza_del_tasto_"sposta"_dalla_mia_sandbox"></span>Salve, sto tentando di pubblicare una nuova voce su Wikipedia, trattasi di una biografia.
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Il tasto "sposta" non compare nella mia sandbox nonostate abbia effettuato il login da più di quattro giorni e abbia effettuato le dieci modifiche richieste. Come procedere? Dove sto sbagliando?
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Mamasaura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Mamasaura (la pagina non esiste)">Mamasaura</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:Mamasaura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:Mamasaura (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 14:38, 16 nov 2020 (CET) Mamasaura<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z|Assenza_del_tasto_\"sposta\"_dalla_mia_sandbox","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z","author":"Mamasaura"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z|Assenza_del_tasto_"sposta"_dalla_mia_sandbox"></span>
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Mamasaura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Mamasaura (la pagina non esiste)">Mamasaura</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:Mamasaura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:Mamasaura (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 14:38, 16 nov 2020 (CET) Mamasaura<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z|Assenza_del_tasto_\"sposta\"_dalla_mia_sandbox","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z","author":"Mamasaura"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z|Assenza_del_tasto_"sposta"_dalla_mia_sandbox"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z"></span>Ciao e benvenuto/a su wikipedia. E' possibile che tu abbia bisogno di aggiornare la pagina o di chiudere e riaprire il browser affinchè il tastino ti appaia. Io però non avrei così fretta a pubblicare la pagina, perchè allo stato attuale la tua sandbox presenta diversi problemi ed è possibile che - se pubblicata nell'enciclopedia vera e propria - venga subito cancellata.</dd>
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<dd>In primis infatti la voce manca completamente di fonti, ossia dell'indicazione di dove hai preso le informazioni che hai scritto e di fonti terze che confermino l'enciclopedicità del soggetto della biografia.</dd>
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<dd>La voce non è poi formattata secondo lo stile di wikipedia : ci sono diversi grassetti che non vanno bene, manca il template bio, l'elenco delle opere non è formattato e il paragrafo "pensiero" sembra essere interamente composto da una citazione letterale di Antonia Colamonico, troppo lunga per poter essere considerata una breve citazione e quindi in violazione di copyright.</dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>Io ti consiglierei di sistemare ancora un po' la voce, soprattutto aggiungendo la provenienza delle informazioni e fonti terze che confermino l'enciclopedicità, oltre a togliere la parte in violazione di copyright --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 15:33, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z","replies":["c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a>]</b></small> l'utente non è ancora <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Livelli_di_accesso_degli_utenti#Utenti_autoconvalidati" title="Wikipedia:Livelli di accesso degli utenti">autoconvalidato</a>, per quello non può effettuare spostamenti, ciao --<b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FF1000">Ap7189</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ap7189ap" title="Discussioni utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FFBA00">ap</span></a></b> 15:46, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z","author":"Ap7189ap"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap">Ap7189ap</a>]</b></small> Però è effettivamente iscritto da oltre 4 giorni e ha fatto più di 10 edit (6 e 12 rispettivamente). Sono cambiate le regole per diventare autoconvalidati? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 16:14, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z","replies":["c|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z"></span>I criteri sono stati modificati a 50 edit e 7 giorni, a partire dal 14 settembre 2020, come si legge in <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Utenti_autoconvalidati" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Utenti autoconvalidati">WP:Utenti autoconvalidati</a>. Perciò <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Mamasaura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Mamasaura (la pagina non esiste)">Mamasaura</a>]</b></small>, non sei ancora autoconvalidato e non puoi effettuare spostamenti. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Agilix" title="Utente:Agilix"><i><b>Agilix</b></i></a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Agilix" title="Discussioni utente:Agilix">msg</a>) 16:30, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z","replies":["c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z","author":"Agilix"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a>]</b></small> Sono cambiati in seguito a <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:LinkPermanente/115478782#Riassumo_(2)" title="Speciale:LinkPermanente/115478782">questa discussione</a>, <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Mamasaura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Mamasaura (la pagina non esiste)">Mamasaura</a>]</b></small> puoi usare il {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sposta" title="Template:Sposta">Sposta</a>}}, poi qualcuno si occuperà di spostare la voce--<b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FF1000">Ap7189</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ap7189ap" title="Discussioni utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FFBA00">ap</span></a></b> 16:50, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z","author":"Ap7189ap"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z"></span>Mi era sfuggito l'aggiornamento dei requisiti, grazie del chiarimento. Resta comunque il mio consiglio a mammasaura di lavorare ancora un po' sulla voce, perchè allo stato attuale rischia di essere cancellata immediatamente se spostata nell'enciclopedia. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 11:09, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>Io ti consiglierei di sistemare ancora un po' la voce, soprattutto aggiungendo la provenienza delle informazioni e fonti terze che confermino l'enciclopedicità, oltre a togliere la parte in violazione di copyright --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 15:33, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z","replies":["c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z|Mamasaura|2020-11-16T13:38:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a>]</b></small> l'utente non è ancora <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Livelli_di_accesso_degli_utenti#Utenti_autoconvalidati" title="Wikipedia:Livelli di accesso degli utenti">autoconvalidato</a>, per quello non può effettuare spostamenti, ciao --<b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FF1000">Ap7189</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ap7189ap" title="Discussioni utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FFBA00">ap</span></a></b> 15:46, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z","author":"Ap7189ap"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T14:33:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap">Ap7189ap</a>]</b></small> Però è effettivamente iscritto da oltre 4 giorni e ha fatto più di 10 edit (6 e 12 rispettivamente). Sono cambiate le regole per diventare autoconvalidati? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 16:14, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z","replies":["c|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T14:46:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z"></span>I criteri sono stati modificati a 50 edit e 7 giorni, a partire dal 14 settembre 2020, come si legge in <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Utenti_autoconvalidati" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Utenti autoconvalidati">WP:Utenti autoconvalidati</a>. Perciò <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Mamasaura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Mamasaura (la pagina non esiste)">Mamasaura</a>]</b></small>, non sei ancora autoconvalidato e non puoi effettuare spostamenti. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Agilix" title="Utente:Agilix"><i><b>Agilix</b></i></a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Agilix" title="Discussioni utente:Agilix">msg</a>) 16:30, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z","replies":["c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z","author":"Agilix"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T15:14:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a>]</b></small> Sono cambiati in seguito a <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:LinkPermanente/115478782#Riassumo_(2)" title="Speciale:LinkPermanente/115478782">questa discussione</a>, <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Mamasaura&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Mamasaura (la pagina non esiste)">Mamasaura</a>]</b></small> puoi usare il {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sposta" title="Template:Sposta">Sposta</a>}}, poi qualcuno si occuperà di spostare la voce--<b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FF1000">Ap7189</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ap7189ap" title="Discussioni utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FFBA00">ap</span></a></b> 16:50, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z","author":"Ap7189ap"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-16T15:30:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z"></span>Mi era sfuggito l'aggiornamento dei requisiti, grazie del chiarimento. Resta comunque il mio consiglio a mammasaura di lavorare ancora un po' sulla voce, perchè allo stato attuale rischia di essere cancellata immediatamente se spostata nell'enciclopedia. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 11:09, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:09:00.000Z|Ap7189ap|2020-11-16T15:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Tunja_voce_della_citt.C3.A0_della_Colombia"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Tunja_voce_della_città_della_Colombia" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Tunja_voce_della_citt\u00e0_della_Colombia|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z","replies":["c|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z|Tunja_voce_della_citt\u00e0_della_Colombia"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Tunja_voce_della_città_della_Colombia|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z"></span>Tunja voce della città della Colombia<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Tunja_voce_della_città_della_Colombia|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z|Tunja_voce_della_città_della_Colombia"></span>Ho consultato la voce Tunja (città della Colombia) su Wikipedia in italiano e su Wikipedia inglese. Le voci portano
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informazioni diametralmente opposte, leggere per credere, quale è la verità ?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da 151.33.155.240 (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:151.33.155.240&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:151.33.155.240 (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/151.33.155.240" title="Speciale:Contributi/151.33.155.240">contributi</a>) 19:04, 16 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z|Tunja_voce_della_citt\u00e0_della_Colombia","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z","author":"151.33.155.240"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z|Tunja_voce_della_città_della_Colombia"></span>
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informazioni diametralmente opposte, leggere per credere, quale è la verità ?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da 151.33.155.240 (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:151.33.155.240&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:151.33.155.240 (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/151.33.155.240" title="Speciale:Contributi/151.33.155.240">contributi</a>) 19:04, 16 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z|Tunja_voce_della_citt\u00e0_della_Colombia","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z","author":"151.33.155.240"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z|Tunja_voce_della_città_della_Colombia"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z"></span>Puoi specificare quali sono le informazioni diametralmente opposte? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 00:36, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z","replies":["c|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a>]</b></small> la voce italiana era stata pesantemente vandalizzata (a settembre). Ho ripristinato la versione precedente. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/93.36.167.230" title="Speciale:Contributi/93.36.167.230">93.36.167.230</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:93.36.167.230" title="Discussioni utente:93.36.167.230">msg</a>) 07:39, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z","author":"93.36.167.230"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z"></span>Grazie 93.36.167.230 per aver risolto il problema e a 151.33.155.240 per aver segnalato la cosa --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 11:08, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z"></span>Puoi specificare quali sono le informazioni diametralmente opposte? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 00:36, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z","replies":["c|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z|151.33.155.240|2020-11-16T18:04:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a>]</b></small> la voce italiana era stata pesantemente vandalizzata (a settembre). Ho ripristinato la versione precedente. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/93.36.167.230" title="Speciale:Contributi/93.36.167.230">93.36.167.230</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:93.36.167.230" title="Discussioni utente:93.36.167.230">msg</a>) 07:39, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z","author":"93.36.167.230"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-16T23:36:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z"></span>Grazie 93.36.167.230 per aver risolto il problema e a 151.33.155.240 per aver segnalato la cosa --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 11:08, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-17T10:08:00.000Z|93.36.167.230|2020-11-17T06:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Inserire_l.27avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z","replies":["c|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti","c|79.31.32.66|2020-11-22T18:11:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z"></span>Inserire l'avviso che mancano le fonti<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti"></span>Buonasera,
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volevo soltanto chiedere come bisogna fare per inserire l'avviso sotto la voce che non vengono citate le fonti o quelle presenti sono insufficienti. mi scuso ma sono alle prime armi su questo fantastico sito.
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Ringrazio in anticipo.<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da 87.14.101.127 (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:87.14.101.127&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:87.14.101.127 (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.14.101.127" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.14.101.127">contributi</a>) 19:12, 16 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti","replies":["c|Balara86|2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z","author":"87.14.101.127"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti"></span>
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Ringrazio in anticipo.<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da 87.14.101.127 (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:87.14.101.127&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:87.14.101.127 (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.14.101.127" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.14.101.127">contributi</a>) 19:12, 16 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti","replies":["c|Balara86|2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z","author":"87.14.101.127"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Balara86|2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z"></span>Ciao, la procedura è abbastanza semplice, all'inizio della voce bisogna aggiungere il template {{F|argomento|mese anno}}, puoi copia-incollarlo e modificare i parametri "argomento" e "mese anno". Per argomento devi inserire ad esempio "biografie" oppure "cinema" ecc., per "mese anno" devi mettere quando hai inserito il template, supponendo questo mese si scriverà "novembre 2020". Per approfondire ti invito a leggere <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:F" title="Template:F">qua</a>. Buon proseguimento.--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Balara86&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Balara86 (la pagina non esiste)">Balara86</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Balara86" title="Discussioni utente:Balara86">msg</a>) 08:21, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Balara86|2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z","author":"Balara86"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Balara86|2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|79.31.32.66|2020-11-22T18:11:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti"></span>Grazie per l'informazione!<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da 79.31.32.66 (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:79.31.32.66&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:79.31.32.66 (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/79.31.32.66" title="Speciale:Contributi/79.31.32.66">contributi</a>) 19:11, 22 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|79.31.32.66|2020-11-22T18:11:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T18:11:00.000Z","author":"79.31.32.66"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|79.31.32.66|2020-11-22T18:11:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Balara86|2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z"></span>Ciao, la procedura è abbastanza semplice, all'inizio della voce bisogna aggiungere il template {{F|argomento|mese anno}}, puoi copia-incollarlo e modificare i parametri "argomento" e "mese anno". Per argomento devi inserire ad esempio "biografie" oppure "cinema" ecc., per "mese anno" devi mettere quando hai inserito il template, supponendo questo mese si scriverà "novembre 2020". Per approfondire ti invito a leggere <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:F" title="Template:F">qua</a>. Buon proseguimento.--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Balara86&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Balara86 (la pagina non esiste)">Balara86</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Balara86" title="Discussioni utente:Balara86">msg</a>) 08:21, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Balara86|2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z","author":"Balara86"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Balara86|2020-11-17T07:21:00.000Z|87.14.101.127|2020-11-16T18:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|79.31.32.66|2020-11-22T18:11:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti"></span>Grazie per l'informazione!<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da 79.31.32.66 (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:79.31.32.66&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:79.31.32.66 (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/79.31.32.66" title="Speciale:Contributi/79.31.32.66">contributi</a>) 19:11, 22 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|79.31.32.66|2020-11-22T18:11:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T18:11:00.000Z","author":"79.31.32.66"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|79.31.32.66|2020-11-22T18:11:00.000Z|Inserire_l'avviso_che_mancano_le_fonti"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pierpao|2020-11-16T18:35:00.000Z|Server_Mediawiki_-_Segnalazione_incongruenze"></span>Stanno migrando le librerie alle nuove ICU... insomma stanno facendo casini come sempre :) (per chi vuole farsi del male leggere <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Officina#Update_to_ICU_Unicode_library" title="Wikipedia:Officina">Wikipedia:Officina#Update to ICU Unicode library</a>). Il risultato è che salteranno gli ordinamenti di qualche categoria. Se qualcuno domanda ditegli di pazientare e abituarsi. Prima o poi si sogneranno qualcos'altro :)--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 19:35, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-16T18:35:00.000Z|Server_Mediawiki_-_Segnalazione_incongruenze","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T18:35:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-16T18:35:00.000Z|Server_Mediawiki_-_Segnalazione_incongruenze"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pierpao|2020-11-16T18:35:00.000Z|Server_Mediawiki_-_Segnalazione_incongruenze"></span>Stanno migrando le librerie alle nuove ICU... insomma stanno facendo casini come sempre :) (per chi vuole farsi del male leggere <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Officina#Update_to_ICU_Unicode_library" title="Wikipedia:Officina">Wikipedia:Officina#Update to ICU Unicode library</a>). Il risultato è che salteranno gli ordinamenti di qualche categoria. Se qualcuno domanda ditegli di pazientare e abituarsi. Prima o poi si sogneranno qualcos'altro :)--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 19:35, 16 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-16T18:35:00.000Z|Server_Mediawiki_-_Segnalazione_incongruenze","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-16T18:35:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-16T18:35:00.000Z|Server_Mediawiki_-_Segnalazione_incongruenze"></span>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Avviso_di_Vandalismo" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Avviso_di_Vandalismo|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z","replies":["c|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo","c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:53:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo","c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T10:52:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Avviso_di_Vandalismo|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z"></span>Avviso di Vandalismo<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Avviso_di_Vandalismo|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span>Ciao a tutti, oggi stavo visualizzando una pagina di wikipedia e, sulla stessa pagina, mi arriva un messaggio che dice che io avrei vandalizzato, o parzialmente rovinato, la pagina di <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dobrik" title="David Dobrik">David Dobrik</a>. Questo però non è mai accaduto, infatti io non ho mai visualizzato questa pagina, tantomeno conoscevo la persona in questione.
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Cosa dovrei fare? Dovrei prendere provvedimenti di qualche tipo?
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Grazie
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/5.77.75.205" title="Speciale:Contributi/5.77.75.205">5.77.75.205</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:5.77.75.205" title="Discussioni utente:5.77.75.205">msg</a>) 09:54, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z","author":"5.77.75.205"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span>
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/5.77.75.205" title="Speciale:Contributi/5.77.75.205">5.77.75.205</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:5.77.75.205" title="Discussioni utente:5.77.75.205">msg</a>) 09:54, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z","author":"5.77.75.205"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z"></span>Ciao, l'avviso non è rivolto a te, ma - dal momento che probabilmente il tuo <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirizzo_IP" title="Indirizzo IP">indirizzo IP</a> è dinamico - a qualcuno che, qualche giorno fa, ha vandalizzato una pagina con l'indirizzo IP che ora utilizzi. Saluti--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 09:57, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z","replies":["c|Shivanarayana|2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Shivanarayana|2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z"></span>Ti ho risposto sotto l'avviso nella discussioni associata al tuo indirizzo internet.--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Shivanarayana" title="Utente:Shivanarayana">Shivanarayana</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Shivanarayana" title="Discussioni utente:Shivanarayana">msg</a>) 09:59, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Shivanarayana|2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z","author":"Shivanarayana"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Shivanarayana|2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<div style="border: 1px dashed gray; padding: 2px"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:53:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span>C'è un avviso in fondo alla pagina di discussione degli IP .... Forse per renderlo più evidente si potrebbe spostarlo <i>in cima</i> alla pagina?... <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 21:53, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:53:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T20:53:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:53:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span></div><p><span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: white; background: blue; font-weight: bold; border: 1px solid black; font-stretch: ultra-condensed"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T10:52:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span>cb</span> <i>La discussione prosegue nella pagina <b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Evitare_equivoci_per_gli_avvisi_a_IP_dinamici_o_condivisi" title="Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Evitare equivoci per gli avvisi a IP dinamici o condivisi">Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Evitare equivoci per gli avvisi a IP dinamici o condivisi</a></b></i>.<br/>
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</p><p><small>– Il <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cambusa" title="Wikipedia:Cambusa">cambusiere</a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 11:52, 21 nov 2020 (CET)</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T10:52:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T10:52:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T10:52:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z"></span>Ciao, l'avviso non è rivolto a te, ma - dal momento che probabilmente il tuo <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirizzo_IP" title="Indirizzo IP">indirizzo IP</a> è dinamico - a qualcuno che, qualche giorno fa, ha vandalizzato una pagina con l'indirizzo IP che ora utilizzi. Saluti--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 09:57, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z","replies":["c|Shivanarayana|2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z|5.77.75.205|2020-11-17T08:54:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Shivanarayana|2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z"></span>Ti ho risposto sotto l'avviso nella discussioni associata al tuo indirizzo internet.--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Shivanarayana" title="Utente:Shivanarayana">Shivanarayana</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Shivanarayana" title="Discussioni utente:Shivanarayana">msg</a>) 09:59, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Shivanarayana|2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z","author":"Shivanarayana"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Shivanarayana|2020-11-17T08:59:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-17T08:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<div style="border: 1px dashed gray; padding: 2px"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:53:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span>C'è un avviso in fondo alla pagina di discussione degli IP .... Forse per renderlo più evidente si potrebbe spostarlo <i>in cima</i> alla pagina?... <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 21:53, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:53:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T20:53:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:53:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span></div><p><span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: white; background: blue; font-weight: bold; border: 1px solid black; font-stretch: ultra-condensed"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T10:52:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span>cb</span> <i>La discussione prosegue nella pagina <b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Evitare_equivoci_per_gli_avvisi_a_IP_dinamici_o_condivisi" title="Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Evitare equivoci per gli avvisi a IP dinamici o condivisi">Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Evitare equivoci per gli avvisi a IP dinamici o condivisi</a></b></i>.<br/>
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</p><p><small>– Il <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cambusa" title="Wikipedia:Cambusa">cambusiere</a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 11:52, 21 nov 2020 (CET)</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T10:52:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T10:52:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T10:52:00.000Z|Avviso_di_Vandalismo"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-17T11:39:00.000Z|Richiesta_convalida"></span>Buongiorno,
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</p><p>Ringraziandovi anticipatamente per la vostra disponibilità colgo l'occasione per porgere
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</p><p>Distinti saluti<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Riccardo_Simonelli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Riccardo Simonelli (la pagina non esiste)">Riccardo Simonelli</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Riccardo_Simonelli" title="Discussioni utente:Riccardo Simonelli">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Riccardo_Simonelli" title="Speciale:Contributi/Riccardo Simonelli">contributi</a>)</i>.</small>
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<dl><dd><small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Riccardo_Simonelli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Riccardo Simonelli (la pagina non esiste)">Riccardo Simonelli</a>]</b></small> ti ho risposto nella mia talk.--<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:red">Enzo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Discussioni utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:blue">Encius</span></a></b></span> 12:39, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-17T11:39:00.000Z|Richiesta_convalida","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T11:39:00.000Z","author":"Enzo Encius"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-17T11:39:00.000Z|Richiesta_convalida"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Riccardo_Simonelli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Riccardo Simonelli (la pagina non esiste)">Riccardo Simonelli</a>]</b></small> ti ho risposto nella mia talk.--<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:red">Enzo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Discussioni utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:blue">Encius</span></a></b></span> 12:39, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-17T11:39:00.000Z|Richiesta_convalida","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T11:39:00.000Z","author":"Enzo Encius"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-17T11:39:00.000Z|Richiesta_convalida"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Pagina_Alberto_Dolfin" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Pagina_Alberto_Dolfin","replies":[],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Pagina_Alberto_Dolfin"></span>Pagina Alberto Dolfin<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Pagina_Alberto_Dolfin"></span></span></h2>
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<p>Buonasera, ho creato la pagina Alberto Dolfin non come curriculum ma come voce per arricchire molti riferimenti già presenti sul portale Wikipedia. Se cercate il mio nome, troverete già diversi articoli (non inseriti da me) presenti in voci italiane di atleti di tutto il mondo.
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</p><p>Vi chiedo gentilmente come modificarla perché sia pubblicata perché in molti mi chiedono perché non esista un riferimento quando cercano informazioni sul libro scritto su mio fratello Marco Dolfin, di cui era già stata creata una voce che però conteneva alcuni errori che rischiavano di fuoriviare i colleghi che scrivono in questi giorni su di lui grazie a un po' di articoli usciti.
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z|Collaborazione"></span>Gradirei collaborare con Wikipedia inserendo miei articoli, saggi di argomento culturale e pubblicare i titoli dei libri che ho scritto.
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<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da 87.18.165.115 (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:87.18.165.115&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:87.18.165.115 (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.18.165.115" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.18.165.115">contributi</a>) 20:58, 17 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z|Collaborazione","replies":["c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-17T22:39:00.000Z|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z","author":"87.18.165.115"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z|Collaborazione"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-17T22:39:00.000Z|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z"></span>Sono già stati pubblicati altrove? Se sì vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CONCEDI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONCEDI">WP:CONCEDI</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34">87.4.47.34</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.4.47.34" title="Discussioni utente:87.4.47.34">msg</a>) 23:39, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-17T22:39:00.000Z|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T22:39:00.000Z","author":"87.4.47.34"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-17T22:39:00.000Z|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-17T22:39:00.000Z|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z"></span>Sono già stati pubblicati altrove? Se sì vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CONCEDI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CONCEDI">WP:CONCEDI</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34">87.4.47.34</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.4.47.34" title="Discussioni utente:87.4.47.34">msg</a>) 23:39, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-17T22:39:00.000Z|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T22:39:00.000Z","author":"87.4.47.34"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-17T22:39:00.000Z|87.18.165.115|2020-11-17T19:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Procedura_cancellazione" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Procedura_cancellazione|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z|Procedura_cancellazione"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Procedura_cancellazione|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z"></span>Procedura cancellazione<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Procedura_cancellazione|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z|Procedura_cancellazione"></span>Dopo discussione ho ricevuto il via libera per proporre la cancellazione della pagina Antonio Giordano. Ho provato a mettere la stringa sopra la pagina, seguendo le indicazioni (o almeno così mi pareva) ma non compare nulla. Mi potete aiutare per favore? Grazie <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sizigia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sizigia (la pagina non esiste)">Sizigia</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Sizigia" title="Discussioni utente:Sizigia">msg</a>) 23:18, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z|Procedura_cancellazione","replies":["c|GryffindorD|2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z","author":"Sizigia"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z|Procedura_cancellazione"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z|Procedura_cancellazione"></span>Dopo discussione ho ricevuto il via libera per proporre la cancellazione della pagina Antonio Giordano. Ho provato a mettere la stringa sopra la pagina, seguendo le indicazioni (o almeno così mi pareva) ma non compare nulla. Mi potete aiutare per favore? Grazie <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sizigia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sizigia (la pagina non esiste)">Sizigia</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Sizigia" title="Discussioni utente:Sizigia">msg</a>) 23:18, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z|Procedura_cancellazione","replies":["c|GryffindorD|2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z","author":"Sizigia"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z|Procedura_cancellazione"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sizigia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sizigia (la pagina non esiste)">Sizigia</a>]</b></small> ho aggiunto il template {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cancellazione" title="Template:Cancellazione">cancellazione</a>}}, vai alla pagina <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Giordano_(medico)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Antonio Giordano (medico) (la pagina non esiste)">Antonio Giordano (medico)</a> leggi l'avviso e segui la procedura. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:GryffindorD" title="Discussioni utente:GryffindorD"><span style="color:#007FFF"><b>GryffindorD</b></span></a> 23:24, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|GryffindorD|2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z","author":"GryffindorD"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sizigia&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sizigia (la pagina non esiste)">Sizigia</a>]</b></small> ho aggiunto il template {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cancellazione" title="Template:Cancellazione">cancellazione</a>}}, vai alla pagina <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antonio_Giordano_(medico)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Antonio Giordano (medico) (la pagina non esiste)">Antonio Giordano (medico)</a> leggi l'avviso e segui la procedura. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:GryffindorD" title="Discussioni utente:GryffindorD"><span style="color:#007FFF"><b>GryffindorD</b></span></a> 23:24, 17 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|GryffindorD|2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z","author":"GryffindorD"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-17T22:24:00.000Z|Sizigia|2020-11-17T22:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z","replies":["c|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z"></span>Inserisci qui il titolo della richiesta<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta"></span>Gentili ho creato una pagina (inserita in prove) per un conduttore Tv e radiofonico nazionale, ma non sono sicuro che sia stata inserita in modo corretto. Per creare il testo abbiamo seguito tutte le indicazioni generali. Qualcuno puo' aiutarmi?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Intercontatto&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Intercontatto (la pagina non esiste)">Intercontatto</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Intercontatto" title="Discussioni utente:Intercontatto">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Intercontatto" title="Speciale:Contributi/Intercontatto">contributi</a>) 19:36, 18 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta","replies":["c|L736E|2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z","author":"Intercontatto"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta"></span>Gentili ho creato una pagina (inserita in prove) per un conduttore Tv e radiofonico nazionale, ma non sono sicuro che sia stata inserita in modo corretto. Per creare il testo abbiamo seguito tutte le indicazioni generali. Qualcuno puo' aiutarmi?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Intercontatto&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Intercontatto (la pagina non esiste)">Intercontatto</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Intercontatto" title="Discussioni utente:Intercontatto">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Intercontatto" title="Speciale:Contributi/Intercontatto">contributi</a>) 19:36, 18 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta","replies":["c|L736E|2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z","author":"Intercontatto"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z|Inserisci_qui_il_titolo_della_richiesta"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|L736E|2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z"></span>Innanzitutto le voci non si creano nella pagina utente (che non è una pagina di prove) in secondo luogo il presentatore in questione non rientra nei requisiti di <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:E" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:E">rilevanza enciclopedica</a>. Wikipedia non è un servizio di hosting dove si creano voci-vetrina o a uso "visibilità sul web" (Wikipedia "non fa book") ma una "enciclopedia" e quindi, come tale, le voci sono riservate solo a chi ha avuto una carriera talmente significativa da poter stare, appunto, su una enciclopedia. In terzo luogo, dato che il tuo nome coincide con quello di una agenzia di comunicazione (e quindi è inappropriato) e stai usando il progetto per fare pubblicità o come "strumento di promozione" (cosa vietata), senza averlo dichiarato prima (vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMISSIONE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMISSIONE">WP:COMMISSIONE</a>), la tua utenza è stata bloccata a tempo indeterminato. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:L736E" title="Utente:L736E"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #006600;">L736E</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:L736E" title="Discussioni utente:L736E"><span style="color: #330000; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"><sup>l'adminalcolico</sup></span></a> 19:39, 18 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|L736E|2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z","author":"L736E"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|L736E|2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|L736E|2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z"></span>Innanzitutto le voci non si creano nella pagina utente (che non è una pagina di prove) in secondo luogo il presentatore in questione non rientra nei requisiti di <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:E" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:E">rilevanza enciclopedica</a>. Wikipedia non è un servizio di hosting dove si creano voci-vetrina o a uso "visibilità sul web" (Wikipedia "non fa book") ma una "enciclopedia" e quindi, come tale, le voci sono riservate solo a chi ha avuto una carriera talmente significativa da poter stare, appunto, su una enciclopedia. In terzo luogo, dato che il tuo nome coincide con quello di una agenzia di comunicazione (e quindi è inappropriato) e stai usando il progetto per fare pubblicità o come "strumento di promozione" (cosa vietata), senza averlo dichiarato prima (vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMISSIONE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMISSIONE">WP:COMMISSIONE</a>), la tua utenza è stata bloccata a tempo indeterminato. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:L736E" title="Utente:L736E"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #006600;">L736E</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:L736E" title="Discussioni utente:L736E"><span style="color: #330000; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"><sup>l'adminalcolico</sup></span></a> 19:39, 18 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|L736E|2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z","author":"L736E"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|L736E|2020-11-18T18:39:00.000Z|Intercontatto|2020-11-18T18:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z|Blocchi_continuativi_sbagliati_e_ingiustificati"></span>Salve, vengo repentinamente bloccato con motivazione "IP degli aggiornamenti errati programmi TV"; ciò mi causa non pochi disagi e mi fa perdere una notevole quantità di tempo oltre che mi fa andar perse le modifiche che stavo attuando. Esempio lampante mi succede sulla voce Municipio di Montréal o anche su altre. Chiedo cortesemente un'aiuto. <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/37.159.55.114" title="Speciale:Contributi/37.159.55.114">37.159.55.114</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:37.159.55.114&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:37.159.55.114 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 07:17, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z|Blocchi_continuativi_sbagliati_e_ingiustificati","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z","c|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z","author":"37.159.55.114"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z|Blocchi_continuativi_sbagliati_e_ingiustificati"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z|Blocchi_continuativi_sbagliati_e_ingiustificati"></span>Salve, vengo repentinamente bloccato con motivazione "IP degli aggiornamenti errati programmi TV"; ciò mi causa non pochi disagi e mi fa perdere una notevole quantità di tempo oltre che mi fa andar perse le modifiche che stavo attuando. Esempio lampante mi succede sulla voce Municipio di Montréal o anche su altre. Chiedo cortesemente un'aiuto. <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/37.159.55.114" title="Speciale:Contributi/37.159.55.114">37.159.55.114</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:37.159.55.114&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:37.159.55.114 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 07:17, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z|Blocchi_continuativi_sbagliati_e_ingiustificati","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z","c|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z","author":"37.159.55.114"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z|Blocchi_continuativi_sbagliati_e_ingiustificati"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"></span>Ciao, è un problema del filtro anti abusi6. @<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy">Daimona Eaytoy</a>. Per evitare ciò, basta registrarti!--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 07:22, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z","replies":["c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z"></span>Innanzitutto grazie per avermi risposto e per esserti preso carico della questione; più o meno qual'è la tempistica per risolvere questo malfunzionamento? Quando premo il tasto "salva modifiche" mi viene impedito di salvarle e mi esce la suddetta scritta e non stavo modificando nessuna voce su programmi televisivi. <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/37.159.55.114" title="Speciale:Contributi/37.159.55.114">37.159.55.114</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:37.159.55.114&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:37.159.55.114 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 08:31, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z","author":"37.159.55.114"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z"></span>Purtroppo non dipende da me ma dall'utente che ho menzionato, sono sicuro risolverà il prima possibile; il mio consiglio rimane comunque quello di registrarsi. Puoi provare a cercare di capire tu stesso cosa attiva il filtro, e evitare di inserirlo.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 08:50, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z","replies":["c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z"></span>In realtà, io non ne ho la più pallida idea. <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:L736E" title="Utente:L736E">L736E</a>]</b></small>? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: #696969; font-weight: bold; font-family: Segoe Print;">Daimona Eaytoy</span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Discussioni utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: black; font-size: small; font-family: cursive, serif;">(Scrivimi!)</span></a> 13:01, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z","replies":["c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Daimona Eaytoy"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z"></span>Ma nel frattempo non si possono disalibilitare questi filtri "farlocchi" così soggetti a falsi positivi? Chi può farlo, un qualunque amministratore? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34">87.4.47.34</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.4.47.34" title="Discussioni utente:87.4.47.34">msg</a>) 13:34, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z","replies":["c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z","author":"87.4.47.34"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z"></span>Sì, solo che chiamarli "farlocchi" senza sapere esattamente cosa fanno mi sembra un po' eccessivo. Attendiamo chi ne sa di più, mi sembra che nel caso specifico non ci siano urgenze immediate. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: #696969; font-weight: bold; font-family: Segoe Print;">Daimona Eaytoy</span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Discussioni utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: black; font-size: small; font-family: cursive, serif;">(Scrivimi!)</span></a> 13:45, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z","replies":["c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z","author":"Daimona Eaytoy"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z"></span>Sì scusa <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy">Daimona Eaytoy</a>]</b></small>, era tra virgolette e spiegavo subito dopo cosa intendevo: che causano blocchi per falso positivo (blocchi che, se non ricordo male, avevo visto più volte essere descritti sommariamente come "blocchi farlocchi", per tralsato ho fatto passare il farlocco al filtro che li causa). Mi sembra un problema bello grave, e non è la prima volta che ne vedo segnalati qui allo Sportello, un utente bloccato per sbaglio potrebbe arrabbiarsi o anche solo stufarsi e non contribuire più. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34">87.4.47.34</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.4.47.34" title="Discussioni utente:87.4.47.34">msg</a>) 14:08, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z","replies":["c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z","author":"87.4.47.34"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z"></span>Su questo siamo d'accordo, anche se in questo caso l'utente non è stato bloccato, è solo stata impedita la modifica. Naturalmente limitare i falsi positivi è sempre una priorità, sebbene alle volte non sia immediato. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: #696969; font-weight: bold; font-family: Segoe Print;">Daimona Eaytoy</span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Discussioni utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: black; font-size: small; font-family: cursive, serif;">(Scrivimi!)</span></a> 14:15, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|L736E|2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z","author":"Daimona Eaytoy"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|L736E|2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z"></span>Diciamo che si deve anche ringraziare una buona parte di IP che utilizzano lo stesso provider e avevano preso di mira le pagine relative ai programmi TV per: scrivere anticipazioni, inserire dettagli e curiosità irrilevanti, inserire a manetta loghi e controloghi in barba a tutte le linee guida. Ad ogni modo, la soluzione più semplice è questa: createvi una utenza e agite come utenti registrati (oltretutto risulta anche più facile comunicare con gli altri utenti).--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:L736E" title="Utente:L736E"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #006600;">L736E</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:L736E" title="Discussioni utente:L736E"><span style="color: #330000; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"><sup>l'adminalcolico</sup></span></a> 19:42, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c|L736E|2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z","author":"L736E"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|L736E|2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"></span>Io non consiglio la registrazione di un'utenza, tutti i tuoi contributi verrebbero tenuti sott'occhio e ti creeresti una storia editoriale con cui verresti facilmente "etichettato" in senso ideologico da altri utenti e soprattutto da amministratori superficiali.--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/151.47.37.37" title="Speciale:Contributi/151.47.37.37">151.47.37.37</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:151.47.37.37&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:151.47.37.37 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 20:31, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z","replies":["c|Popop|2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z","author":"151.47.37.37"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Popop|2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z"></span>Ovviamente non condivido l'opinione di 151.47.37.37 (infatti sono registrato :) però capisco anche che qualcuno possa desiderare di contribuire senza registrazione. Così, come soluzione provvisoria, finché non si risolvono i problemi relativi ai blocchi, 37.159.55.114, se vuole, potrebbe registrarsi, ma usare l'account esclusivamente nei casi in cui viene bloccato come IP. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Popop" title="Utente:Popop"><span style="color:red">P<sub>o</sub>p</span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Popop" title="Discussioni utente:Popop"><span style="color:blue">O<sup>p</sup></span></a> 22:10, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Popop|2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Popop"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Popop|2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"></span>Ciao, è un problema del filtro anti abusi6. @<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy">Daimona Eaytoy</a>. Per evitare ciò, basta registrarti!--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 07:22, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z","replies":["c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z"></span>Innanzitutto grazie per avermi risposto e per esserti preso carico della questione; più o meno qual'è la tempistica per risolvere questo malfunzionamento? Quando premo il tasto "salva modifiche" mi viene impedito di salvarle e mi esce la suddetta scritta e non stavo modificando nessuna voce su programmi televisivi. <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/37.159.55.114" title="Speciale:Contributi/37.159.55.114">37.159.55.114</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:37.159.55.114&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:37.159.55.114 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 08:31, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z","author":"37.159.55.114"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T06:22:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z"></span>Purtroppo non dipende da me ma dall'utente che ho menzionato, sono sicuro risolverà il prima possibile; il mio consiglio rimane comunque quello di registrarsi. Puoi provare a cercare di capire tu stesso cosa attiva il filtro, e evitare di inserirlo.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 08:50, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z","replies":["c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T07:31:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z"></span>In realtà, io non ne ho la più pallida idea. <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:L736E" title="Utente:L736E">L736E</a>]</b></small>? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: #696969; font-weight: bold; font-family: Segoe Print;">Daimona Eaytoy</span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Discussioni utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: black; font-size: small; font-family: cursive, serif;">(Scrivimi!)</span></a> 13:01, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z","replies":["c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Daimona Eaytoy"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T07:50:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z"></span>Ma nel frattempo non si possono disalibilitare questi filtri "farlocchi" così soggetti a falsi positivi? Chi può farlo, un qualunque amministratore? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34">87.4.47.34</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.4.47.34" title="Discussioni utente:87.4.47.34">msg</a>) 13:34, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z","replies":["c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z","author":"87.4.47.34"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:01:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z"></span>Sì, solo che chiamarli "farlocchi" senza sapere esattamente cosa fanno mi sembra un po' eccessivo. Attendiamo chi ne sa di più, mi sembra che nel caso specifico non ci siano urgenze immediate. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: #696969; font-weight: bold; font-family: Segoe Print;">Daimona Eaytoy</span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Discussioni utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: black; font-size: small; font-family: cursive, serif;">(Scrivimi!)</span></a> 13:45, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z","replies":["c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z","author":"Daimona Eaytoy"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T12:34:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z"></span>Sì scusa <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy">Daimona Eaytoy</a>]</b></small>, era tra virgolette e spiegavo subito dopo cosa intendevo: che causano blocchi per falso positivo (blocchi che, se non ricordo male, avevo visto più volte essere descritti sommariamente come "blocchi farlocchi", per tralsato ho fatto passare il farlocco al filtro che li causa). Mi sembra un problema bello grave, e non è la prima volta che ne vedo segnalati qui allo Sportello, un utente bloccato per sbaglio potrebbe arrabbiarsi o anche solo stufarsi e non contribuire più. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34" title="Speciale:Contributi/87.4.47.34">87.4.47.34</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:87.4.47.34" title="Discussioni utente:87.4.47.34">msg</a>) 14:08, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z","replies":["c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z","author":"87.4.47.34"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T12:45:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z"></span>Su questo siamo d'accordo, anche se in questo caso l'utente non è stato bloccato, è solo stata impedita la modifica. Naturalmente limitare i falsi positivi è sempre una priorità, sebbene alle volte non sia immediato. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: #696969; font-weight: bold; font-family: Segoe Print;">Daimona Eaytoy</span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Daimona_Eaytoy" title="Discussioni utente:Daimona Eaytoy"><span style="color: black; font-size: small; font-family: cursive, serif;">(Scrivimi!)</span></a> 14:15, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z","replies":["c|L736E|2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z","author":"Daimona Eaytoy"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z|87.4.47.34|2020-11-19T13:08:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|L736E|2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z"></span>Diciamo che si deve anche ringraziare una buona parte di IP che utilizzano lo stesso provider e avevano preso di mira le pagine relative ai programmi TV per: scrivere anticipazioni, inserire dettagli e curiosità irrilevanti, inserire a manetta loghi e controloghi in barba a tutte le linee guida. Ad ogni modo, la soluzione più semplice è questa: createvi una utenza e agite come utenti registrati (oltretutto risulta anche più facile comunicare con gli altri utenti).--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:L736E" title="Utente:L736E"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #006600;">L736E</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:L736E" title="Discussioni utente:L736E"><span style="color: #330000; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"><sup>l'adminalcolico</sup></span></a> 19:42, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c|L736E|2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z","author":"L736E"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|L736E|2020-11-19T18:42:00.000Z|Daimona Eaytoy|2020-11-19T13:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"></span>Io non consiglio la registrazione di un'utenza, tutti i tuoi contributi verrebbero tenuti sott'occhio e ti creeresti una storia editoriale con cui verresti facilmente "etichettato" in senso ideologico da altri utenti e soprattutto da amministratori superficiali.--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/151.47.37.37" title="Speciale:Contributi/151.47.37.37">151.47.37.37</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:151.47.37.37&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:151.47.37.37 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 20:31, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z","replies":["c|Popop|2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z","author":"151.47.37.37"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z|37.159.55.114|2020-11-19T06:17:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Popop|2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z"></span>Ovviamente non condivido l'opinione di 151.47.37.37 (infatti sono registrato :) però capisco anche che qualcuno possa desiderare di contribuire senza registrazione. Così, come soluzione provvisoria, finché non si risolvono i problemi relativi ai blocchi, 37.159.55.114, se vuole, potrebbe registrarsi, ma usare l'account esclusivamente nei casi in cui viene bloccato come IP. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Popop" title="Utente:Popop"><span style="color:red">P<sub>o</sub>p</span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Popop" title="Discussioni utente:Popop"><span style="color:blue">O<sup>p</sup></span></a> 22:10, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Popop|2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Popop"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Popop|2020-11-19T21:10:00.000Z|151.47.37.37|2020-11-19T19:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia|2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z|Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia|2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z"></span>Aiuto creazione pagina biografia<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia|2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z|Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia"></span>Salve, vorrei creare una pagina Biografia. Ho creato la bozza nella mia Sandbox, e vorrei consigli su come impostare il testo in maniera più efficace. COme posso fare? Potrei avere un tutor?
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AVrei bisogno anche di allegare una foto di cui ho l'autorizzazione.
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<dd>- il testo sembra interamente copiato dal sito del biografato, e questo non va bene. A meno che un testo non sia esplicitamente rilasciato con licenza libera, ossia utilizzabile da chiunque, copiandolo si incorre in una violazione di copyright. Questa cosa ti era già stata fatta notare a fine ottobre nella tua pagina di discussione.</dd>
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<dd>- non sono indicate le fonti da cui hai preso le informazioni. Mentre non si può copiare, è invece necessario prendere le informazioni - rielaborando il testo - da fonti terze e indicare con le note (i numerini che vedi in mezzo al testo se provi ad aprire una voce a caso) quali sono queste fonti. Se per dei dati biografici può andare bene il sito ufficiale dle biografato, per confermare la sua rilevanza servono invece delle fonti diverse, come possono essere monografie, saggi, articoli di giornale...</dd>
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<dd>- con quel lunghissimo elenco di mostre la voce al momento è impostata come un curriculum, il che non va bene. Inoltre elencand così tante esposizioni e pubblicazioni non è possibile capire quali sono le più rilevanti e quali sono minori. Personalmente eliminerei in blocco tutta la parte sulle esposizioni collettive, e scremerei quelle delle personali e le pubblicazioni lasciando solo le più importanti.</dd>
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<dd>- in ultimo, se stai scrivendo la voce su commissione, a pagamento o anche come favore personale, devi indicarlo nella tua pagina utente --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 11:13, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z|Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z|Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia"></span></dd></dl>
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<dd>- in ultimo, se stai scrivendo la voce su commissione, a pagamento o anche come favore personale, devi indicarlo nella tua pagina utente --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 11:13, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z|Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-19T10:13:00.000Z|Aiuto_creazione_pagina_biografia"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Brigataes" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Brigataes|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z","replies":["c|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z|Brigataes"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Brigataes|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z"></span>Brigataes<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Brigataes|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z|Brigataes"></span>Ciao :)
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Ho scritto una voce nella mia pagina di prova, ho fatto alcune correzioni richiesta da moderatori, e adesso vorrei renderla pubblica: come devo procedere? Ci sono istruzioni specifiche da seguire?
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Ho anche inserito delle foto nella pagina: le prime tre sono andate in porto mentre la quarta non viene caricata perché non sono un utente autoconvalidato o un admin o un utente convalidato. Cosa si fa in questi casi? La foto è correttamente caricata e visibile su Wikicommon.
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Resto in attesa di chiarimenti per procedere, grazie! --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:LuiDeLu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:LuiDeLu (la pagina non esiste)">LuiDeLu</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:LuiDeLu" title="Discussioni utente:LuiDeLu">msg</a>) 14:21, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z|Brigataes","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z","author":"LuiDeLu"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z|Brigataes"></span>
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Resto in attesa di chiarimenti per procedere, grazie! --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:LuiDeLu&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:LuiDeLu (la pagina non esiste)">LuiDeLu</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:LuiDeLu" title="Discussioni utente:LuiDeLu">msg</a>) 14:21, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z|Brigataes","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z","author":"LuiDeLu"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z|Brigataes"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z"></span>Sto facendo da "tutor" all'utente, ora non posso scrivere una risposta esauriente. Il problema principale sono le fonti, se qualcuni ha tempo di dare una buona risposta mi farebbe un grande favore--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 15:48, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z"></span>Sto facendo da "tutor" all'utente, ora non posso scrivere una risposta esauriente. Il problema principale sono le fonti, se qualcuni ha tempo di dare una buona risposta mi farebbe un grande favore--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 15:48, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T14:48:00.000Z|LuiDeLu|2020-11-19T13:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z"></span>Ricerca vecchie discussione nel Bar<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar"></span>Come si cercano le discussione passate nel Bar? Ho provata l'apposita ricerca "Cerca nel bar" ma non funziona, appaiono solo voci di Wikipedia. Cerco una discussione dove si era parlato di Mortadella ma non riesco a trovarla. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 18:11, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar","replies":["c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar"></span>Come si cercano le discussione passate nel Bar? Ho provata l'apposita ricerca "Cerca nel bar" ma non funziona, appaiono solo voci di Wikipedia. Cerco una discussione dove si era parlato di Mortadella ma non riesco a trovarla. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 18:11, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar","replies":["c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z|Ricerca_vecchie_discussione_nel_Bar"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a>]</b></small> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/2020_10_10" title="Wikipedia:Bar/2020 10 10">questa</a>? Che rimanda a <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Mortadella&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussione:Mortadella (la pagina non esiste)">Discussione:Mortadella</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:GryffindorD" title="Discussioni utente:GryffindorD"><span style="color:#007FFF"><b>GryffindorD</b></span></a> 18:18, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z","author":"GryffindorD"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:GryffindorD" title="Utente:GryffindorD">GryffindorD</a>]</b></small> Sì, è quella, grazie! :) Come hai fatto a trovarla? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 18:31, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a>]</b></small> con "Cerca nel bar" ma aggiungendo le virgolette <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Ricerca?search=%22mortadella%22&prefix=Wikipedia%3ABar&ns4=1&fulltext=Vai"><i>mortadella</i></a> per avere più precisione :) --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:GryffindorD" title="Discussioni utente:GryffindorD"><span style="color:#007FFF"><b>GryffindorD</b></span></a> 18:36, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:39:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z","author":"GryffindorD"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:39:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span>Ohhhhh... e pensare che lo uso spesso anche su Google ;) Grazie ancora --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 18:39, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:39:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T17:39:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:39:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a>]</b></small> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/2020_10_10" title="Wikipedia:Bar/2020 10 10">questa</a>? Che rimanda a <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Mortadella&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussione:Mortadella (la pagina non esiste)">Discussione:Mortadella</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:GryffindorD" title="Discussioni utente:GryffindorD"><span style="color:#007FFF"><b>GryffindorD</b></span></a> 18:18, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z","author":"GryffindorD"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:11:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:GryffindorD" title="Utente:GryffindorD">GryffindorD</a>]</b></small> Sì, è quella, grazie! :) Come hai fatto a trovarla? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 18:31, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:31:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:18:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:39:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span>Ohhhhh... e pensare che lo uso spesso anche su Google ;) Grazie ancora --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 18:39, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:39:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T17:39:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T17:39:00.000Z|GryffindorD|2020-11-19T17:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Rinomina_disambigua_ecc." data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc.|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc."],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc.|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z"></span>Rinomina disambigua ecc.<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc.|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc."></span>Devo fare questo: rinominare la disambigua <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortadella" title="Mortadella">Mortadella</a> in "Mortadella (disambigua)" o creare la voce ex-novo (il tutto è stato <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Mortadella&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussione:Mortadella (la pagina non esiste)">concordato al Bar</a>), nella voce "Mortadella" sostituire il contenuto con quello della mia attuale <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio/Sandbox" title="Utente:Scalorbio/Sandbox">sandbox</a> in modo che la disambigua diventi voce a se, ho già fatto cambi nome, scorpori e spostamenti solo che in questo caso non vorrei fare casini, p.e. avere problemi con i redirect o voci che attualmente puntano a disambigua Mortadella (in particolare quelle che non si riferiscono al salume), come devo fare? Preferirei la spiegazione o relativi link al manuale e non che qualcuno lo fa per me perché così in futuro so come fare, grazie :) --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 19:09, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc.","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc."></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc."></span>Devo fare questo: rinominare la disambigua <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortadella" title="Mortadella">Mortadella</a> in "Mortadella (disambigua)" o creare la voce ex-novo (il tutto è stato <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussione:Mortadella&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussione:Mortadella (la pagina non esiste)">concordato al Bar</a>), nella voce "Mortadella" sostituire il contenuto con quello della mia attuale <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio/Sandbox" title="Utente:Scalorbio/Sandbox">sandbox</a> in modo che la disambigua diventi voce a se, ho già fatto cambi nome, scorpori e spostamenti solo che in questo caso non vorrei fare casini, p.e. avere problemi con i redirect o voci che attualmente puntano a disambigua Mortadella (in particolare quelle che non si riferiscono al salume), come devo fare? Preferirei la spiegazione o relativi link al manuale e non che qualcuno lo fa per me perché così in futuro so come fare, grazie :) --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 19:09, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc.","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z|Rinomina_disambigua_ecc."></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z"></span>Fatto, mi sembra non sia esploso niente :) --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 19:23, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z"></span>Scusate ancora, nella <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortadella" title="Mortadella">nuova voce</a> è opportuno chiedere la cancellazione della talk? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 19:27, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a>]</b></small> Esatto, stavo proprio per scrivertelo. Devi mettere la talk in C9--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 19:28, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Ok, grazie :) --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 19:30, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z"></span>Fatto, mi sembra non sia esploso niente :) --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 19:23, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:09:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z"></span>Scusate ancora, nella <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortadella" title="Mortadella">nuova voce</a> è opportuno chiedere la cancellazione della talk? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 19:27, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:23:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a>]</b></small> Esatto, stavo proprio per scrivertelo. Devi mettere la talk in C9--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 19:28, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z","replies":["c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:27:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Ok, grazie :) --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Scalorbio" title="Utente:Scalorbio">Scalorbio</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Scalorbio" title="Discussioni utente:Scalorbio">msg</a>) 19:30, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Scalorbio"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Scalorbio|2020-11-19T18:30:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-19T18:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Paolo_Boninsegna" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Paolo_Boninsegna|2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z","replies":["c|Vale93b|2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z|Paolo_Boninsegna"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Paolo_Boninsegna|2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z"></span>Paolo Boninsegna<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Paolo_Boninsegna|2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Vale93b|2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z|Paolo_Boninsegna"></span>Vorrei inserirmi su Wikipedia con la spiegazione di chi sono con la foto e tutto come faccio? <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da 37.159.3.147 (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:37.159.3.147&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:37.159.3.147 (la pagina non esiste)">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/37.159.3.147" title="Speciale:Contributi/37.159.3.147">contributi</a>)</i>.</small>
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<dl><dd>la domanda denota un approccio sbagliato alla <i>res</i> Wikipedia, che non è un social network né uno spazio per blog, sicché credo dovresti evitare. Suggerisco la lettura di <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cosa_Wikipedia_non_%C3%A8" title="Wikipedia:Cosa Wikipedia non è">WP:Cosa Wikipedia non è</a> e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAFIE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAFIE">WP:AUTOBIOGRAFIE</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Vale93b" title="Utente:Vale93b"><span style="color:green"><b>Vale</b></span><span style="background:darkgreen"><span style="color:gold"><b>93b</b></span></span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Vale93b" title="Discussioni utente:Vale93b"><span style="color:blue"><sup><b>Fatti sentire!</b></sup></span></a> 21:38, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Vale93b|2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z|Paolo_Boninsegna","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z","author":"Vale93b"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Vale93b|2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z|Paolo_Boninsegna"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>la domanda denota un approccio sbagliato alla <i>res</i> Wikipedia, che non è un social network né uno spazio per blog, sicché credo dovresti evitare. Suggerisco la lettura di <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cosa_Wikipedia_non_%C3%A8" title="Wikipedia:Cosa Wikipedia non è">WP:Cosa Wikipedia non è</a> e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAFIE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AUTOBIOGRAFIE">WP:AUTOBIOGRAFIE</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Vale93b" title="Utente:Vale93b"><span style="color:green"><b>Vale</b></span><span style="background:darkgreen"><span style="color:gold"><b>93b</b></span></span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Vale93b" title="Discussioni utente:Vale93b"><span style="color:blue"><sup><b>Fatti sentire!</b></sup></span></a> 21:38, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Vale93b|2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z|Paolo_Boninsegna","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z","author":"Vale93b"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Vale93b|2020-11-19T20:38:00.000Z|Paolo_Boninsegna"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Archivio_discussione_utente" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Archivio_discussione_utente|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z","replies":["c|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z|Archivio_discussione_utente"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Archivio_discussione_utente|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span>Archivio discussione utente<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Archivio_discussione_utente|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z|Archivio_discussione_utente"></span>Faccio davvero fatica a districarmi tra le varie pagine che spiegano la cosa, ma come si fa ad archiviare la propria pagina di discussione?--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Janik98" title="Utente:Janik98">Janik</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Janik98" title="Discussioni utente:Janik98">msg</a>) 21:51, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z|Archivio_discussione_utente","replies":["c|Civv\u00ec|2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z","author":"Janik98"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z|Archivio_discussione_utente"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z|Archivio_discussione_utente"></span>Faccio davvero fatica a districarmi tra le varie pagine che spiegano la cosa, ma come si fa ad archiviare la propria pagina di discussione?--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Janik98" title="Utente:Janik98">Janik</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Janik98" title="Discussioni utente:Janik98">msg</a>) 21:51, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z|Archivio_discussione_utente","replies":["c|Civv\u00ec|2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z","author":"Janik98"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z|Archivio_discussione_utente"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Civvì|2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Janik98" title="Utente:Janik98">Janik98</a>]</b></small> il modo più semplice è quello di spostarla a "Discussioni utente:Janik98/archivio 1" o come preferisci chiamare gli archivi, poi devi ricreare la pagina di discussione. --<span style="font-family:Linux_Libertine;"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Civv%C3%AC" title="Utente:Civvì"><span style="color:purple;">Civvì</span></a></b> <small><span style="color:blue;">(<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Civv%C3%AC" title="Discussioni utente:Civvì">Parliamone...</a>)</span></small></span> 21:54, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Civv\u00ec|2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z","author":"Civv\u00ec"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Civvì|2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Civvì|2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Janik98" title="Utente:Janik98">Janik98</a>]</b></small> il modo più semplice è quello di spostarla a "Discussioni utente:Janik98/archivio 1" o come preferisci chiamare gli archivi, poi devi ricreare la pagina di discussione. --<span style="font-family:Linux_Libertine;"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Civv%C3%AC" title="Utente:Civvì"><span style="color:purple;">Civvì</span></a></b> <small><span style="color:blue;">(<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Civv%C3%AC" title="Discussioni utente:Civvì">Parliamone...</a>)</span></small></span> 21:54, 19 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Civv\u00ec|2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z","author":"Civv\u00ec"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Civvì|2020-11-19T20:54:00.000Z|Janik98|2020-11-19T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione"></span>Ciao, ultimamente ho cancellato opinioni e commenti inutili (e talvolta, se mi posso permettere, anche abbastanza deliranti) lasciati da utenti anonimi su varie pagine di discussione e che nulla hanno a che fare con la voce alla quale è riservata la pagina. Dal momento che <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TALK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TALK">WP:TALK</a> precisa che le pagine di discussione non costituiscono dei forum, vorrei comunque assicurarmi che il mio operato sia corretto. Prego di pingarmi. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Syphax98" title="Discussioni utente:Syphax98">msg</a>) 12:09, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione","replies":["c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z","author":"Syphax98"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione"></span>Ciao, ultimamente ho cancellato opinioni e commenti inutili (e talvolta, se mi posso permettere, anche abbastanza deliranti) lasciati da utenti anonimi su varie pagine di discussione e che nulla hanno a che fare con la voce alla quale è riservata la pagina. Dal momento che <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TALK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TALK">WP:TALK</a> precisa che le pagine di discussione non costituiscono dei forum, vorrei comunque assicurarmi che il mio operato sia corretto. Prego di pingarmi. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Syphax98" title="Discussioni utente:Syphax98">msg</a>) 12:09, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione","replies":["c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z","author":"Syphax98"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> parlo a titolo personale, ma secondo me, piuttosto che cancellare gli interventi, è meglio apporre l'avviso {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WNF" title="Template:WNF">WNF</a>}}, o eventualmente, se troppo lunghi, cassettarli. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Agilix" title="Utente:Agilix"><i><b>Agilix</b></i></a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Agilix" title="Discussioni utente:Agilix">msg</a>) 12:18, 20 nov 2020 (CET)Cancellare un intervento per me non è mai simpatico.<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z","author":"Agilix"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> io li eliminerei solo nel caso siano palesemente troll o commenti inutili, non adatti ad una pagina di discussione. Nel caso pensi possa dare fastidio una loro rimozione, inseriscili tra i tag <del>x</del> in modo da striccarli, (<del>esempio</del>) --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 12:20, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Agilix" title="Utente:Agilix">Agilix</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo">ValeJappo</a>]</b></small> Io ho proceduto a cancellare questi commenti dal momento che ho notato che anche altri utenti con maggiore esperienza hanno proceduto in questo modo. Non parlo solo di troll, ma anche di POV e insulti (personalmente non credo che possa dar fastidio una rimozione di commenti palesemente troll e POV, anzi, credo sia doveroso cancellarli, dal momento che IMHO inquinano la pagina). Il {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WNF" title="Template:WNF">WNF</a>}}, nel caso di commenti non controversi, mi è già capitato di usarlo, infatti. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Syphax98" title="Discussioni utente:Syphax98">msg</a>) 12:35, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z","replies":["c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z","author":"Syphax98"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> per le trollate, volendo, abbiamo anche {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Troll" title="Template:Troll">troll</a>}}, {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Troll2" title="Template:Troll2">troll2</a>}}, {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Troll3" title="Template:Troll3">troll3</a>}}. Io cancellerei solo i commenti palesemente ingiuriosi o le violazioni di copyright, ma, ripeto, è una mia sensibilità personale. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Agilix" title="Utente:Agilix"><i><b>Agilix</b></i></a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Agilix" title="Discussioni utente:Agilix">msg</a>) 12:46, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z","replies":["c|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z","author":"Agilix"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z"></span>Sono contrario a cancellare commenti. D'altronde esistono per questo i tmp troll e forum. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Idraulico_liquido" title="Utente:Idraulico liquido"> --1dr4uI1c0</a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Idraulico_liquido" title="Discussioni utente:Idraulico liquido">(<span style="color:">msg</span>)</a> 12:57, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z","replies":["c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z","c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z","author":"Idraulico liquido"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"></span>Non è una cosa oggetto di discussione. La regola esiste: le discussioni non si cancellano. <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> Se uno vuole cancellare una cosa sua perchè ha cambiato idea usa <code><del>...</del></code>. Questa è una comunità con un codice di condotta, appunto non un forum o facebook, dagli utenti ci si aspetta un certo comportamento, prima di tutto il rispetto degli altri, compreso quello che scrivono, anche se è sbagliato, nessuno si erge a giudice, poi non bisogna <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MORDERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MORDERE">MORDERE</a> i nuovi arrivati, e ovviamente cancellare può essere offensivo, e sopratutto deve rimanere traccia di quello che uno scrive in modo che gli altri possano valutarne il comportamento anche se sono ip. Ci sono alcune rarissime eccezioni, ma è meglio lasciarle alla valutazione di chi ha molta molta esperienza. L'unica cosa ovvia è che se uno crea una pagina nuova scrivendo qualcosa di non Wikipediano si può cancellare la pagina, ma appunto lo valutano gli amministratori, che se è il caso ne lasciano traccia sulla Wiki dei sysop--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 13:14, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"></span></dd>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"></span>Si gli insulti i copyviol si cancellano ma anche lì avvisando gli amministratori che verificano la correttezza dell'operato.--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 13:16, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<p><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione"></span>[<abbr title="Rientrare significa ritornare all'inizio di una riga con l'indentazione di una discussione, quando essa si allunga troppo e rende i commenti più difficili da leggere.">←</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Glossario#Rientro" title="Aiuto:Glossario">Rientro</a>]</b></small> Grazie per le dritte, d'ora in poi eviterò di cancellare. Avendo avuto testimonianza di cancellazioni da parte di altri utenti, pensavo fosse corretto. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Syphax98" title="Discussioni utente:Syphax98">msg</a>) 13:18, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione","replies":["c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z","author":"Syphax98"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> parlo a titolo personale, ma secondo me, piuttosto che cancellare gli interventi, è meglio apporre l'avviso {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WNF" title="Template:WNF">WNF</a>}}, o eventualmente, se troppo lunghi, cassettarli. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Agilix" title="Utente:Agilix"><i><b>Agilix</b></i></a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Agilix" title="Discussioni utente:Agilix">msg</a>) 12:18, 20 nov 2020 (CET)Cancellare un intervento per me non è mai simpatico.<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z","author":"Agilix"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span>
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<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:09:00.000Z"></span><dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> io li eliminerei solo nel caso siano palesemente troll o commenti inutili, non adatti ad una pagina di discussione. Nel caso pensi possa dare fastidio una loro rimozione, inseriscili tra i tag <del>x</del> in modo da striccarli, (<del>esempio</del>) --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 12:20, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:18:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Agilix" title="Utente:Agilix">Agilix</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo">ValeJappo</a>]</b></small> Io ho proceduto a cancellare questi commenti dal momento che ho notato che anche altri utenti con maggiore esperienza hanno proceduto in questo modo. Non parlo solo di troll, ma anche di POV e insulti (personalmente non credo che possa dar fastidio una rimozione di commenti palesemente troll e POV, anzi, credo sia doveroso cancellarli, dal momento che IMHO inquinano la pagina). Il {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WNF" title="Template:WNF">WNF</a>}}, nel caso di commenti non controversi, mi è già capitato di usarlo, infatti. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Syphax98" title="Discussioni utente:Syphax98">msg</a>) 12:35, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z","replies":["c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z","author":"Syphax98"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-20T11:20:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> per le trollate, volendo, abbiamo anche {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Troll" title="Template:Troll">troll</a>}}, {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Troll2" title="Template:Troll2">troll2</a>}}, {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Troll3" title="Template:Troll3">troll3</a>}}. Io cancellerei solo i commenti palesemente ingiuriosi o le violazioni di copyright, ma, ripeto, è una mia sensibilità personale. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Agilix" title="Utente:Agilix"><i><b>Agilix</b></i></a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Agilix" title="Discussioni utente:Agilix">msg</a>) 12:46, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z","replies":["c|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z","author":"Agilix"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T11:35:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z"></span>Sono contrario a cancellare commenti. D'altronde esistono per questo i tmp troll e forum. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Idraulico_liquido" title="Utente:Idraulico liquido"> --1dr4uI1c0</a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Idraulico_liquido" title="Discussioni utente:Idraulico liquido">(<span style="color:">msg</span>)</a> 12:57, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z","replies":["c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z","c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z","author":"Idraulico liquido"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z|Agilix|2020-11-20T11:46:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"></span>Non è una cosa oggetto di discussione. La regola esiste: le discussioni non si cancellano. <small><b>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> Se uno vuole cancellare una cosa sua perchè ha cambiato idea usa <code><del>...</del></code>. Questa è una comunità con un codice di condotta, appunto non un forum o facebook, dagli utenti ci si aspetta un certo comportamento, prima di tutto il rispetto degli altri, compreso quello che scrivono, anche se è sbagliato, nessuno si erge a giudice, poi non bisogna <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MORDERE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MORDERE">MORDERE</a> i nuovi arrivati, e ovviamente cancellare può essere offensivo, e sopratutto deve rimanere traccia di quello che uno scrive in modo che gli altri possano valutarne il comportamento anche se sono ip. Ci sono alcune rarissime eccezioni, ma è meglio lasciarle alla valutazione di chi ha molta molta esperienza. L'unica cosa ovvia è che se uno crea una pagina nuova scrivendo qualcosa di non Wikipediano si può cancellare la pagina, ma appunto lo valutano gli amministratori, che se è il caso ne lasciano traccia sulla Wiki dei sysop--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 13:14, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:14:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"></span></dd>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"></span>Si gli insulti i copyviol si cancellano ma anche lì avvisando gli amministratori che verificano la correttezza dell'operato.--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 13:16, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:16:00.000Z|Idraulico liquido|2020-11-20T11:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<p><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione"></span>[<abbr title="Rientrare significa ritornare all'inizio di una riga con l'indentazione di una discussione, quando essa si allunga troppo e rende i commenti più difficili da leggere.">←</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Glossario#Rientro" title="Aiuto:Glossario">Rientro</a>]</b></small> Grazie per le dritte, d'ora in poi eviterò di cancellare. Avendo avuto testimonianza di cancellazioni da parte di altri utenti, pensavo fosse corretto. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Syphax98" title="Discussioni utente:Syphax98">msg</a>) 13:18, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione","replies":["c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z","author":"Syphax98"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z|Commenti_inutili_sulle_pagine_di_discussione"></span>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z"></span>Hai fatto benissimo a segnalare la cosa, grazie mille--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 13:45, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z"></span>Penso si possa utilizzare i <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cancellazioni_immediate" title="Wikipedia:Cancellazioni immediate">Criteri di cancellazione immediata</a> C1 e C4, applicati tenendo conto che stiamo trattando una pagina di discussione e non una voce dell'enciclopedia. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 18:24, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z","replies":["c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Attualmente c'è un problema del genere anche in una pagina di cancellazione (che tecnicamente non è una pagina di discussione, ma ne è comunque molto simile).--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 21:49, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z","replies":["c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> mi è purtroppo capitato di osservare eliminazioni di commenti che definirei improprie, ma sono totalmente favorevole ad eliminare quelle offensive e, ovviamente, quelle che violano le leggi vigenti sul copyright (e più tardi l'oscuramento della cronologia non farebbe male).--<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:red">Enzo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Discussioni utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:blue">Encius</span></a></b></span> 21:56, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z","author":"Enzo Encius"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z"></span>Hai fatto benissimo a segnalare la cosa, grazie mille--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 13:45, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z","replies":["c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z|Syphax98|2020-11-20T12:18:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z"></span>Penso si possa utilizzare i <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cancellazioni_immediate" title="Wikipedia:Cancellazioni immediate">Criteri di cancellazione immediata</a> C1 e C4, applicati tenendo conto che stiamo trattando una pagina di discussione e non una voce dell'enciclopedia. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 18:24, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z","replies":["c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z|Pierpao|2020-11-20T12:45:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z"></span>Attualmente c'è un problema del genere anche in una pagina di cancellazione (che tecnicamente non è una pagina di discussione, ma ne è comunque molto simile).--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 21:49, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z","replies":["c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T17:24:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Syphax98" title="Utente:Syphax98">Syphax98</a>]</b></small> mi è purtroppo capitato di osservare eliminazioni di commenti che definirei improprie, ma sono totalmente favorevole ad eliminare quelle offensive e, ovviamente, quelle che violano le leggi vigenti sul copyright (e più tardi l'oscuramento della cronologia non farebbe male).--<span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC"><b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:red">Enzo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Enzo_Encius" title="Discussioni utente:Enzo Encius"><span style="color:blue">Encius</span></a></b></span> 21:56, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z","author":"Enzo Encius"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Enzo Encius|2020-11-20T20:56:00.000Z|95.237.218.42|2020-11-20T20:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="maometto" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|maometto|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z","replies":["c|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z|maometto"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|maometto|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z"></span>maometto<span data-mw-comment-end="h|maometto|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z|maometto"></span>volevo modificare maometto ed ecco il messaggio che mi appare
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</p><p>Non si dispone dei permessi necessari per modificare questa pagina, per il seguente motivo:
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@ -281,67 +281,67 @@ Resto in attesa di chiarimenti per procedere, grazie! --<a href="//it.wikipedia.
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</p><p>È possibile visualizzare e copiare il codice sorgente di questa pagina.
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</p><p>non c'ho capito nulla <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Ab%C5%AB_Sufy%C4%81n_ibn_%E1%B8%A4arb&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Abū Sufyān ibn Ḥarb (la pagina non esiste)">Abū Sufyān ibn Ḥarb</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ab%C5%AB_Sufy%C4%81n_ibn_%E1%B8%A4arb" title="Discussioni utente:Abū Sufyān ibn Ḥarb">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ab%C5%AB_Sufy%C4%81n_ibn_%E1%B8%A4arb" title="Speciale:Contributi/Abū Sufyān ibn Ḥarb">contributi</a>)</i>.</small>
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<dl><dd>La pagina è protetta a causa di vandalismi e non può essere modificata --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Wim_b" title="Discussioni utente:Wim b">Wim b</a> 22:55, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z|maometto","replies":["c|Lepido|2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Wim b"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z|maometto"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Lepido|2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z"></span>Comunque se vuoi, puoi proporre le tue modifiche nella pagina di discussione della voce, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Maometto" title="Discussione:Maometto">Discussione:Maometto</a>, in modo che vengano valutate ed eventualmente inserite. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Lepido" title="Utente:Lepido">Lepido</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Lepido" title="Discussioni utente:Lepido">msg</a>) 23:19, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Lepido|2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Lepido"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Lepido|2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>La pagina è protetta a causa di vandalismi e non può essere modificata --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Wim_b" title="Discussioni utente:Wim b">Wim b</a> 22:55, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z|maometto","replies":["c|Lepido|2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Wim b"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z|maometto"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Lepido|2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z"></span>Comunque se vuoi, puoi proporre le tue modifiche nella pagina di discussione della voce, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Maometto" title="Discussione:Maometto">Discussione:Maometto</a>, in modo che vengano valutate ed eventualmente inserite. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Lepido" title="Utente:Lepido">Lepido</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Lepido" title="Discussioni utente:Lepido">msg</a>) 23:19, 20 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Lepido|2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Lepido"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Lepido|2020-11-20T22:19:00.000Z|Wim b|2020-11-20T21:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Problema_preferenze" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Problema_preferenze|2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z|Problema_preferenze"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Problema_preferenze|2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z"></span>Problema preferenze<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Problema_preferenze|2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; color: white; background: blue; font-weight: bold; border: 1px solid black; font-stretch: ultra-condensed"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z|Problema_preferenze"></span>cb</span> <i>La discussione prosegue nella pagina <b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Officina#Problema_preferenze" title="Wikipedia:Officina">Wikipedia:Officina#Problema_preferenze</a></b></i>.<br/>
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<small>– Il <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cambusa" title="Wikipedia:Cambusa">cambusiere</a> <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 16:51, 21 nov 2020 (CET)</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z|Problema_preferenze","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z|Problema_preferenze"></span>
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<small>– Il <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cambusa" title="Wikipedia:Cambusa">cambusiere</a> <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 16:51, 21 nov 2020 (CET)</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z|Problema_preferenze","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T15:51:00.000Z|Problema_preferenze"></span>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Daydreamer" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Daydreamer|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z","replies":["c|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z|Daydreamer"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Daydreamer|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Daydreamer<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Daydreamer|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z|Daydreamer"></span>Posso scrivere la trama di ogni singolo episodio?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sheen_Hossain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sheen Hossain (la pagina non esiste)">Sheen Hossain</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Sheen_Hossain" title="Discussioni utente:Sheen Hossain">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Sheen_Hossain" title="Speciale:Contributi/Sheen Hossain">contributi</a>) 18:53, 21 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z|Daydreamer","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z","author":"Sheen Hossain"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z|Daydreamer"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z|Daydreamer"></span>Posso scrivere la trama di ogni singolo episodio?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sheen_Hossain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sheen Hossain (la pagina non esiste)">Sheen Hossain</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Sheen_Hossain" title="Discussioni utente:Sheen Hossain">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Sheen_Hossain" title="Speciale:Contributi/Sheen Hossain">contributi</a>) 18:53, 21 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z|Daydreamer","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z","author":"Sheen Hossain"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z|Daydreamer"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sheen_Hossain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sheen Hossain (la pagina non esiste)">Sheen Hossain</a>]</b></small> vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Trama" title="Wikipedia:Trama">WP:Trama</a> --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 18:56, 21 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z","replies":["c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sheen_Hossain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sheen Hossain (la pagina non esiste)">Sheen Hossain</a>]</b></small> Se ti riferisci alla voce sul serial televisivo turco <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/DayDreamer_-_Le_ali_del_sogno" title="DayDreamer - Le ali del sogno">DayDreamer - Le ali del sogno</a>, puoi chiedere maggiori informazioni in <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_progetto:Televisione/Fiction_TV" title="Discussioni progetto:Televisione/Fiction TV">Discussioni progetto:Televisione/Fiction_TV</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 20:28, 21 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sheen_Hossain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sheen Hossain (la pagina non esiste)">Sheen Hossain</a>]</b></small> vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Trama" title="Wikipedia:Trama">WP:Trama</a> --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 18:56, 21 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z","replies":["c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z|Sheen Hossain|2020-11-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Sheen_Hossain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Sheen Hossain (la pagina non esiste)">Sheen Hossain</a>]</b></small> Se ti riferisci alla voce sul serial televisivo turco <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/DayDreamer_-_Le_ali_del_sogno" title="DayDreamer - Le ali del sogno">DayDreamer - Le ali del sogno</a>, puoi chiedere maggiori informazioni in <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_progetto:Televisione/Fiction_TV" title="Discussioni progetto:Televisione/Fiction TV">Discussioni progetto:Televisione/Fiction_TV</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.237.218.42">95.237.218.42</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussioni_utente:95.237.218.42&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Discussioni utente:95.237.218.42 (la pagina non esiste)">msg</a>) 20:28, 21 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z","author":"95.237.218.42"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.237.218.42|2020-11-21T19:28:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-21T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span id="Come_inserire_.22pilota_automobilistico_italiano.22_sotto_il_nome.3F_.28nella_versione_mobile.3F.29"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Come_inserire_"pilota_automobilistico_italiano"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_mobile?)" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Come_inserire_\"pilota_automobilistico_italiano\"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_m|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z","replies":["c|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z|Come_inserire_\"pilota_automobilistico_italiano\"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_m"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Come_inserire_"pilota_automobilistico_italiano"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_m|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z"></span>Come inserire "pilota automobilistico italiano" sotto il nome? (nella versione mobile?)<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Come_inserire_"pilota_automobilistico_italiano"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_m|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z|Come_inserire_"pilota_automobilistico_italiano"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_m"></span>Ciao a tutti,
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sto aggiornando alcune pagine di piloti automobilistici italiani con dati, biografie e risultati.
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Vedo che in alcuni (nella versione mobile) sotto il nome è presente la scritta "pilota automobilistico italiano" mentre in altri no. Ho correttamente inserito nel template biografia la categoria automobilismo e l'attività pilota automobilistico, ma non riesco ad avere risultati :(
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Grazie mille--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Lucchinifederico&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Lucchinifederico (la pagina non esiste)">Lucchinifederico</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Lucchinifederico" title="Discussioni utente:Lucchinifederico">msg</a>) 00:02, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z|Come_inserire_\"pilota_automobilistico_italiano\"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_m","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Lucchinifederico"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z|Come_inserire_"pilota_automobilistico_italiano"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_m"></span>
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Grazie mille--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Lucchinifederico&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Lucchinifederico (la pagina non esiste)">Lucchinifederico</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Lucchinifederico" title="Discussioni utente:Lucchinifederico">msg</a>) 00:02, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z|Come_inserire_\"pilota_automobilistico_italiano\"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_m","replies":["c|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Lucchinifederico"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z|Come_inserire_"pilota_automobilistico_italiano"_sotto_il_nome?_(nella_versione_m"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z"></span>Puoi fare qualche esempio di voci in cui appare e in cui non appare? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 01:06, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z","replies":["c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z"></span>Va creata la scheda su <a class="external text" href="https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page">wikidata</a>, però non io non so crearla :( --<b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FF1000">Ap7189</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ap7189ap" title="Discussioni utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FFBA00">ap</span></a></b> 01:16, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z","author":"Ap7189ap"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z"></span>Puoi fare qualche esempio di voci in cui appare e in cui non appare? --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Postcrosser" title="Utente:Postcrosser">Postcrosser</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Postcrosser" title="Discussioni utente:Postcrosser">msg</a>) 01:06, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z","replies":["c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z","author":"Postcrosser"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z|Lucchinifederico|2020-11-21T23:02:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z"></span>Va creata la scheda su <a class="external text" href="https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page">wikidata</a>, però non io non so crearla :( --<b><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ap7189ap" title="Utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FF1000">Ap7189</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ap7189ap" title="Discussioni utente:Ap7189ap"><span style="color:#FFBA00">ap</span></a></b> 01:16, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z","author":"Ap7189ap"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ap7189ap|2020-11-22T00:16:00.000Z|Postcrosser|2020-11-22T00:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_specifico" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp|2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z","replies":["c|Vale93b|2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp|2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z"></span>Inserimento di un nuovo formato di pasta fresca che contraddistingue un luogo specifico<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp|2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Vale93b|2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp"></span>Buongiorno,
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</p><p>mi piacerebbe inserire una nuova pagina su wikipedia dove inserire i <i>CUCIARIN</i>, un formato di pasta fresca che contraddistingue il luogo dov'è nata. E' possibile? <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Pietro_Ganni&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Pietro Ganni (la pagina non esiste)">Pietro Ganni</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pietro_Ganni" title="Discussioni utente:Pietro Ganni">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Pietro_Ganni" title="Speciale:Contributi/Pietro Ganni">contributi</a>)</i>.</small>
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<dl><dd>ti è stato risposto in <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pietro_Ganni" title="Discussioni utente:Pietro Ganni">Discussioni utente:Pietro Ganni</a> --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Vale93b" title="Utente:Vale93b"><span style="color:green"><b>Vale</b></span><span style="background:darkgreen"><span style="color:gold"><b>93b</b></span></span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Vale93b" title="Discussioni utente:Vale93b"><span style="color:blue"><sup><b>Fatti sentire!</b></sup></span></a> 11:24, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Vale93b|2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z","author":"Vale93b"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Vale93b|2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>ti è stato risposto in <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pietro_Ganni" title="Discussioni utente:Pietro Ganni">Discussioni utente:Pietro Ganni</a> --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Vale93b" title="Utente:Vale93b"><span style="color:green"><b>Vale</b></span><span style="background:darkgreen"><span style="color:gold"><b>93b</b></span></span></a> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Vale93b" title="Discussioni utente:Vale93b"><span style="color:blue"><sup><b>Fatti sentire!</b></sup></span></a> 11:24, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Vale93b|2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z","author":"Vale93b"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Vale93b|2020-11-22T10:24:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_specifico_2" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp|2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z","replies":["c|Pierpao|2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp|2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z"></span>Inserimento di un nuovo formato di pasta fresca che contraddistingue un luogo specifico<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp|2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pierpao|2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp"></span>Buongiorno,
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</p><p>c'è un modo per recuperare quanto avevo scritto, modificarlo, e provare a ripubblicarlo senza usare metodi promozionali?
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<dl><dd>Chiedi un parere al <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_progetto:Gastronomia" class="mw-redirect" title="Discussioni progetto:Gastronomia">dp:gastronomia</a> magari dopo aver letto <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOZIONALE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOZIONALE">WP:PROMOZIONALE</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMISSIONE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMISSIONE">WP:COMMISSIONE</a> e riscritto la voce in una <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Sandbox" class="mw-redirect" title="Aiuto:Sandbox">sandbox</a>. Leggi anche <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">aiuto:Firma</a>--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 11:46, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp"></span></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>Chiedi un parere al <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_progetto:Gastronomia" class="mw-redirect" title="Discussioni progetto:Gastronomia">dp:gastronomia</a> magari dopo aver letto <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PROMOZIONALE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PROMOZIONALE">WP:PROMOZIONALE</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMISSIONE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMMISSIONE">WP:COMMISSIONE</a> e riscritto la voce in una <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Sandbox" class="mw-redirect" title="Aiuto:Sandbox">sandbox</a>. Leggi anche <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">aiuto:Firma</a>--<i><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Pierpao" title="Utente:Pierpao">Pierpao</a> <small><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pierpao" title="Discussioni utente:Pierpao">(listening)</a></small></i> 11:46, 22 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pierpao|2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z","author":"Pierpao"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pierpao|2020-11-22T10:46:00.000Z|Inserimento_di_un_nuovo_formato_di_pasta_fresca_che_contraddistingue_un_luogo_sp"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Aiuto_sugli_schemi" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Aiuto_sugli_schemi|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z","replies":["c|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z|Aiuto_sugli_schemi"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Aiuto_sugli_schemi|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z"></span>Aiuto sugli schemi<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Aiuto_sugli_schemi|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z|Aiuto_sugli_schemi"></span>Buongiorno scusate, probabilmente non sto neanche scrivendo nel posto giusto ma avrei una domanda da fare, in molte pagine che ho visitato che trattano di conflitti c'è come un box che sembra avere lo stesso template, dove si mette titolo e poi le parti del conflitto bellico. Io volevo creare una nuova pagina ma non so dove trovare il template del box. Lo devo per forza copiare?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit (la pagina non esiste)">Istheendoftheworldasweknowit</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit" title="Discussioni utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Istheendoftheworldasweknowit" title="Speciale:Contributi/Istheendoftheworldasweknowit">contributi</a>) 09:37, 23 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z|Aiuto_sugli_schemi","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z","author":"Istheendoftheworldasweknowit"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z|Aiuto_sugli_schemi"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z|Aiuto_sugli_schemi"></span>Buongiorno scusate, probabilmente non sto neanche scrivendo nel posto giusto ma avrei una domanda da fare, in molte pagine che ho visitato che trattano di conflitti c'è come un box che sembra avere lo stesso template, dove si mette titolo e poi le parti del conflitto bellico. Io volevo creare una nuova pagina ma non so dove trovare il template del box. Lo devo per forza copiare?<small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit (la pagina non esiste)">Istheendoftheworldasweknowit</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit" title="Discussioni utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Istheendoftheworldasweknowit" title="Speciale:Contributi/Istheendoftheworldasweknowit">contributi</a>) 09:37, 23 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z|Aiuto_sugli_schemi","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z","author":"Istheendoftheworldasweknowit"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z|Aiuto_sugli_schemi"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit (la pagina non esiste)">Istheendoftheworldasweknowit</a>]</b></small> sposto qui dal bar.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 09:43, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit (la pagina non esiste)">Istheendoftheworldasweknowit</a>]</b></small> Ciao! Questi sono dei "template", vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Template" title="Aiuto:Template">Aiuto:Template</a>. Il template in questione è {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_conflitto" title="Template:Infobox conflitto">Infobox conflitto</a>}}. Se hai dubbi scrivimi! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 09:45, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z","replies":["c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z"></span>Vedi anche <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Template_sinottici" title="Aiuto:Template sinottici">Aiuto:Template sinottici</a> per una spiegazione più in generale dei "box" in altro. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.244.17.210" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.244.17.210">95.244.17.210</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:95.244.17.210" title="Discussioni utente:95.244.17.210">msg</a>) 12:50, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z","author":"95.244.17.210"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit (la pagina non esiste)">Istheendoftheworldasweknowit</a>]</b></small> sposto qui dal bar.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 09:43, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z|Istheendoftheworldasweknowit|2020-11-23T08:37:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Istheendoftheworldasweknowit (la pagina non esiste)">Istheendoftheworldasweknowit</a>]</b></small> Ciao! Questi sono dei "template", vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Template" title="Aiuto:Template">Aiuto:Template</a>. Il template in questione è {{<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_conflitto" title="Template:Infobox conflitto">Infobox conflitto</a>}}. Se hai dubbi scrivimi! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 09:45, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z","replies":["c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:43:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z"></span>Vedi anche <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Template_sinottici" title="Aiuto:Template sinottici">Aiuto:Template sinottici</a> per una spiegazione più in generale dei "box" in altro. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.244.17.210" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.244.17.210">95.244.17.210</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:95.244.17.210" title="Discussioni utente:95.244.17.210">msg</a>) 12:50, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z","author":"95.244.17.210"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T11:50:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T08:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="info" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|info|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z","replies":["c|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z|info"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|info|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z"></span>info<span data-mw-comment-end="h|info|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z|info"></span>Buongiorno vorrei inserire una nuova voce ma non capisco perchè venga cancellata dicendo che non è uno spazio pubblicitario quando io cerco solo di informare
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</p><p>Potete aiutarmi? <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Pinkgirlinside&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Pinkgirlinside (la pagina non esiste)">Pinkgirlinside</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pinkgirlinside" title="Discussioni utente:Pinkgirlinside">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Pinkgirlinside" title="Speciale:Contributi/Pinkgirlinside">contributi</a>) 10:16, 23 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z|info","replies":["c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:21:00.000Z|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z","author":"Pinkgirlinside"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z|info"></span>
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</p><p>Potete aiutarmi? <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Pinkgirlinside&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Pinkgirlinside (la pagina non esiste)">Pinkgirlinside</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pinkgirlinside" title="Discussioni utente:Pinkgirlinside">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Pinkgirlinside" title="Speciale:Contributi/Pinkgirlinside">contributi</a>) 10:16, 23 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z|info","replies":["c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:21:00.000Z|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z","author":"Pinkgirlinside"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z|info"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:21:00.000Z|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z"></span>Innanzitutto dovresti leggere quanto ti è stato scritto nella tua pagina utente: <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Pinkgirlinside" title="Discussioni utente:Pinkgirlinside">Discussioni utente:Pinkgirlinside</a>.</dd>
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<dd>In pratica ci sono due problemi:
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<ol><li>La pagina utente non è un luogo dove inserire delle voci, ma serve solamente per una breve presentazione dell'utente. Per saperne di più leggi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Pagina_utente" class="mw-redirect" title="Aiuto:Pagina utente">Aiuto:Pagina utente</a>. Se vuoi utilizzare uno spazio dove puoi preparare con calma una voce prima di inserirla su Wikipedia, puoi usare la tua sandbox, che nel tuo caso è: <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Pinkgirlinside/Sandbox&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Pinkgirlinside/Sandbox (la pagina non esiste)">Utente:Pinkgirlinside/Sandbox</a>.</li>
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<li>Inoltre la voce probabilmente non è enciclopedica, la biografata cioè non mi pare raggiunga quella rilevanza necessaria per avere una voce su Wikipedia. Se ritieni invece che la voce possa stare su Wikipedia, devi corredarla di fonti terze ed autorevoli che ne attestino la rilevanza. Un'intervista a Radio Deejay non è sicuramente sufficiente, occorrono articoli di giornali autorevoli o cose simili (che vanno riportati come fonti nella voce) per poter far valere la tua tesi. Per saperne di più, leggi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Enciclopedicit%C3%A0" class="mw-redirect" title="Aiuto:Enciclopedicità">Aiuto:Enciclopedicità</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biografie_di_persone_viventi" title="Wikipedia:Biografie di persone viventi">Wikipedia:Biografie di persone viventi</a>, <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Convenzioni_di_stile/Biografie" title="Wikipedia:Convenzioni di stile/Biografie">Wikipedia:Convenzioni di stile/Biografie</a> e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Uso_delle_fonti" title="Wikipedia:Uso delle fonti">Wikipedia:Uso delle fonti</a>.</li></ol></dd>
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<dd>Ciao. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Lepido" title="Utente:Lepido">Lepido</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Lepido" title="Discussioni utente:Lepido">msg</a>) 11:21, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:21:00.000Z|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T10:21:00.000Z","author":"Lepido"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:21:00.000Z|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dd>Ciao. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Lepido" title="Utente:Lepido">Lepido</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Lepido" title="Discussioni utente:Lepido">msg</a>) 11:21, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:21:00.000Z|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T10:21:00.000Z","author":"Lepido"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:21:00.000Z|Pinkgirlinside|2020-11-23T09:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="copia_delle_modifiche" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|copia_delle_modifiche|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z","replies":["c|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z|copia_delle_modifiche"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|copia_delle_modifiche|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z"></span>copia delle modifiche<span data-mw-comment-end="h|copia_delle_modifiche|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z|copia_delle_modifiche"></span>Buongiorno, avrei una domanda da farmi. Ho lavorato una giornata alla modifica della mia pagina. Ho scritto la lista dettagliata dei programmi radiofonici che ho realizzato per radio 3 allegando il file di ascolto per ogni programma. La pagina era aggiornata. Oggi la ritrovo com'era prima. Sembra che fosse scritta in maniera inappropriata. la sto modificando secondo i criteri richiesti, sebbene non mi siano molto chiari. Forse la lista dei programmi che sono comunque nell'archivio di ascolto pubblico della Radio non è consona? la domanda è: è possibile avere una copia di quella modificata. Stupidamente non me la sono salvata. Sono ore e ore di lavoro per risalire a tutti i programmi. Grazie
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Patrizia_Giancotti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Patrizia Giancotti (la pagina non esiste)">Patrizia Giancotti</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Patrizia_Giancotti" title="Discussioni utente:Patrizia Giancotti">msg</a>) 10:58, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z|copia_delle_modifiche","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z","author":"Patrizia Giancotti"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z|copia_delle_modifiche"></span>
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--<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Patrizia_Giancotti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Patrizia Giancotti (la pagina non esiste)">Patrizia Giancotti</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Patrizia_Giancotti" title="Discussioni utente:Patrizia Giancotti">msg</a>) 10:58, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z|copia_delle_modifiche","replies":["c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z","author":"Patrizia Giancotti"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z|copia_delle_modifiche"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Patrizia_Giancotti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Patrizia Giancotti (la pagina non esiste)">Patrizia Giancotti</a>]</b></small> certamente, basta <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrizia_Giancotti&oldid=116836541">guardare questa versione della pagina</a>. Ricordo di tenere a mente il motivo dell'annullamento, che riporto di seguito: <i>rimuovo massiccio inserimento di contenuti sprovvisti di fonti terze e/o non confacenti a una trattazione enciclopedica; adeguo alle convenzioni dell'enciclopedia (parziale); +avviso CV</i>--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 11:01, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z","replies":["c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z"></span>In pratica la voce anche adesso è strutturata come un curriculum vitae e non come una voce biografica. Le tue modifiche, pur intrinsecamente giuste nella lettera, avevano peggiorato la situazione. Per una corretta preparazione di una voce bibliografica, leggi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biografie_di_persone_viventi" title="Wikipedia:Biografie di persone viventi">Wikipedia:Biografie di persone viventi</a> e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Convenzioni_di_stile/Biografie" title="Wikipedia:Convenzioni di stile/Biografie">Wikipedia:Convenzioni di stile/Biografie</a>. Comunque, come hai visto, su Wikipedia nessun edit va perduto, per conoscere meglio le potenzialità della cronologia delle modifiche delle voci, leggi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Cronologia" title="Aiuto:Cronologia">Aiuto:Cronologia</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Lepido" title="Utente:Lepido">Lepido</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Lepido" title="Discussioni utente:Lepido">msg</a>) 11:08, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z","replies":["c|Etienne|2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z","author":"Lepido"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Etienne|2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Patrizia_Giancotti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Patrizia Giancotti (la pagina non esiste)">Patrizia Giancotti</a>]</b></small> A ogni buon conto eri stata regolarmente avvisata tramite la tua <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Pagina_di_discussione" title="Aiuto:Pagina di discussione">pagina di discussione</a>. Grazie mille per la gentile comprensione e buon proseguimento! -- <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Etienne" title="Utente:Etienne">É</a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Etienne" title="Discussioni utente:Etienne">tienne</a> 11:53, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Etienne|2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z","author":"Etienne"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Etienne|2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Patrizia_Giancotti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Patrizia Giancotti (la pagina non esiste)">Patrizia Giancotti</a>]</b></small> certamente, basta <a class="external text" href="https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrizia_Giancotti&oldid=116836541">guardare questa versione della pagina</a>. Ricordo di tenere a mente il motivo dell'annullamento, che riporto di seguito: <i>rimuovo massiccio inserimento di contenuti sprovvisti di fonti terze e/o non confacenti a una trattazione enciclopedica; adeguo alle convenzioni dell'enciclopedia (parziale); +avviso CV</i>--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 11:01, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z","replies":["c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z|Patrizia Giancotti|2020-11-23T09:58:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z"></span>In pratica la voce anche adesso è strutturata come un curriculum vitae e non come una voce biografica. Le tue modifiche, pur intrinsecamente giuste nella lettera, avevano peggiorato la situazione. Per una corretta preparazione di una voce bibliografica, leggi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biografie_di_persone_viventi" title="Wikipedia:Biografie di persone viventi">Wikipedia:Biografie di persone viventi</a> e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Convenzioni_di_stile/Biografie" title="Wikipedia:Convenzioni di stile/Biografie">Wikipedia:Convenzioni di stile/Biografie</a>. Comunque, come hai visto, su Wikipedia nessun edit va perduto, per conoscere meglio le potenzialità della cronologia delle modifiche delle voci, leggi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Cronologia" title="Aiuto:Cronologia">Aiuto:Cronologia</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Lepido" title="Utente:Lepido">Lepido</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Lepido" title="Discussioni utente:Lepido">msg</a>) 11:08, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z","replies":["c|Etienne|2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z","author":"Lepido"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T10:01:00.000Z"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Etienne|2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Patrizia_Giancotti&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Patrizia Giancotti (la pagina non esiste)">Patrizia Giancotti</a>]</b></small> A ogni buon conto eri stata regolarmente avvisata tramite la tua <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Pagina_di_discussione" title="Aiuto:Pagina di discussione">pagina di discussione</a>. Grazie mille per la gentile comprensione e buon proseguimento! -- <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Etienne" title="Utente:Etienne">É</a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Etienne" title="Discussioni utente:Etienne">tienne</a> 11:53, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c|Etienne|2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z","author":"Etienne"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Etienne|2020-11-23T10:53:00.000Z|Lepido|2020-11-23T10:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
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<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z","replies":["c|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z|Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"></span>Inserimento voce su Wikipedia<span data-mw-comment-end="h|Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"></span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z|Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia"></span>Buongiorno ,
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ho tentato di inserire la voce Ferdinando Fedi senza successo.
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</p><p>Forse ho sbagliato la procedura per inserire i miei dati.
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</p><p>Qual è l'esatta procedura per proporre l'inserimento di una voce e sottoporre i requisiti all'eventuale accettazione da parte di Wikipedia?
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</p><p>Grazie, Ferdinando Fedi <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Ferdinando_Fedi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Ferdinando Fedi (la pagina non esiste)">Ferdinando Fedi</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ferdinando_Fedi" title="Discussioni utente:Ferdinando Fedi">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ferdinando_Fedi" title="Speciale:Contributi/Ferdinando Fedi">contributi</a>) 12:55, 23 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z|Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia","replies":["c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T12:00:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z","c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z","author":"Ferdinando Fedi"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z|Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia"></span>
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</p><p>Grazie, Ferdinando Fedi <small>— <i>Questo commento senza la <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Firma" title="Aiuto:Firma">firma utente</a> è stato inserito da <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Ferdinando_Fedi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Ferdinando Fedi (la pagina non esiste)">Ferdinando Fedi</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ferdinando_Fedi" title="Discussioni utente:Ferdinando Fedi">discussioni</a> · <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/Ferdinando_Fedi" title="Speciale:Contributi/Ferdinando Fedi">contributi</a>) 12:55, 23 nov 2020 (CET)</i>.</small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z|Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia","replies":["c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T12:00:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z","c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z","author":"Ferdinando Fedi"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z|Inserimento_voce_su_Wikipedia"></span>
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<dl><dd><small><b><span data-mw-comment-start="c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T12:00:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"></span>[<abbr title="Il software di Wikipedia permette di inviare una notifica a un utente registrato per attirare la sua attenzione su una discussione che lo riguarda: è sufficiente scrivere all'interno del proprio messaggio il suo nickname – completo di "Utente:" – fra parentesi quadre e terminare il messaggio con la propria firma. Attento a non abusarne.">@</abbr> <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Ferdinando_Fedi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Ferdinando Fedi (la pagina non esiste)">Ferdinando Fedi</a>]</b></small>Dove hai provato a inserirla? Perché la pagina <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ferdinando_Fedi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Ferdinando Fedi (la pagina non esiste)">Ferdinando Fedi</a> non risulta né creata né cancellata.</dd>
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<dd>Vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BIOGRAFIE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIOGRAFIE">WP:BIOGRAFIE</a> e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiografie" title="Wikipedia:Autobiografie">Wikipedia:Autobiografie</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.244.17.210" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.244.17.210">95.244.17.210</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:95.244.17.210" title="Discussioni utente:95.244.17.210">msg</a>) 13:00, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T12:00:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T12:00:00.000Z","author":"95.244.17.210"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T12:00:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"></span></dd>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"></span>@IP L'utente ha creato <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Ferdinando_Fedi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Ferdinando Fedi (la pagina non esiste)">Utente:Ferdinando Fedi</a>, ancor più sbagliato. @Ferdinando Ferdi Ti consiglio di iniziare una bozza in <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ferdinando_Fedi/Sandbox" title="Utente:Ferdinando Fedi/Sandbox">Utente:Ferdinando Fedi/Sandbox</a>, sempre tenendo conto di quanto scritto sopra--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 13:08, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<dd>Vedi <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BIOGRAFIE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BIOGRAFIE">WP:BIOGRAFIE</a> e <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiografie" title="Wikipedia:Autobiografie">Wikipedia:Autobiografie</a>. --<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/95.244.17.210" title="Speciale:Contributi/95.244.17.210">95.244.17.210</a> (<a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:95.244.17.210" title="Discussioni utente:95.244.17.210">msg</a>) 13:00, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T12:00:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T12:00:00.000Z","author":"95.244.17.210"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|95.244.17.210|2020-11-23T12:00:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"></span></dd>
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<dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"></span>@IP L'utente ha creato <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utente:Ferdinando_Fedi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Utente:Ferdinando Fedi (la pagina non esiste)">Utente:Ferdinando Fedi</a>, ancor più sbagliato. @Ferdinando Ferdi Ti consiglio di iniziare una bozza in <a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ferdinando_Fedi/Sandbox" title="Utente:Ferdinando Fedi/Sandbox">Utente:Ferdinando Fedi/Sandbox</a>, sempre tenendo conto di quanto scritto sopra--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px purple"><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:ValeJappo" title="Utente:ValeJappo"><span style="color:white">Val<span style="color:red">eJa</span>ppo</span></a><a href="//it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo" title="Discussioni utente:ValeJappo"><small style="color:red">【〒】</small></a></span> 13:08, 23 nov 2020 (CET)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z","author":"ValeJappo"}" href="">rispondi</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|ValeJappo|2020-11-23T12:08:00.000Z|Ferdinando Fedi|2020-11-23T11:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:33:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z"></span>ccc <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:33, 25 January 2020 (UTC) amended! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:43, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:33:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:33:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:33:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z|multi_signatures"></span>multi-line top level <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:34, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z|multi_signatures","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z|multi_signatures"></span>
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</p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z|multi_signatures|1"></span>ddd <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:34, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z|multi_signatures|1","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:35:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:36:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z|multi_signatures|1"></span>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:35:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span>eee <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC) amended! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:45, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:35:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:35:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:35:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:36:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span>fff <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC) also!<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:36:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:36:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:36:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span>fff <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:37, 25 January 2020 (UTC) and <i>also</i>!<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z","c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|1"],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z"></span>multi-line reply <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|1"></span>ggg <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|1"></span></li></ul></li></ul>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:35:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span>eee <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC) amended! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:45, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:35:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:35:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:35:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:36:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span>fff <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC) also!<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:36:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:36:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:36:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span>fff <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:37, 25 January 2020 (UTC) and <i>also</i>!<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z","c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|1"],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:34:00.000Z"></span>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z"></span>multi-line reply <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|1"></span>ggg <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 08:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:38:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-25T08:37:00.000Z|1"></span></li></ul></li></ul>
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<h2><span id="hello_Matma_Rex_.28talk.29_18:27.2C_2_November_2020_.28UTC.29"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:29:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:30:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:31:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:32:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|1"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z"></span>hello <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:27, 2 November 2020 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-end="h|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z"></span></span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Signature_in_heading&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: hello Matma Rex (talk) 18:27, 2 November 2020 (UTC)">edit source</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>hello <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:02:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z|1"],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>hello <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:02:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z|1"],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Quoting another comment: <blockquote>bbb <b><a href="/wiki/User:Bob" title="User:Bob">Bob</a></b> 08:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)</blockquote> <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 12:00, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Quoting another comment, but without the right markup: <dl><dd>bbb <b><a href="/wiki/User:Bob" title="User:Bob">Bob</a></b> 08:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z","author":"Bob"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 12:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Quoting another comment: <blockquote>bbb <b><a href="/wiki/User:Bob" title="User:Bob">Bob</a></b> 08:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)</blockquote> <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 12:00, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:00:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Quoting another comment, but without the right markup: <dl><dd>bbb <b><a href="/wiki/User:Bob" title="User:Bob">Bob</a></b> 08:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z","author":"Bob"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Bob|2020-01-25T08:32:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex"><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 12:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:01:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:02:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span>Quoting another comment inline: <q>bbb <b><a href="/wiki/User:Bob" title="User:Bob">Bob</a></b> 08:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)</q>. <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 12:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:02:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-03T12:02:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-03T12:02:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:28:00.000Z"></span></li>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:29:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Wrapped signature. <small><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:29:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:29:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:30:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Double wrapped signature. <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)</small><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:30:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></sup><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:30:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:31:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Double wrapped signature with inner trailing text. <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:31, 2 November 2020 (UTC)</small>text<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:31:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></sup><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:31:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:31:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:32:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Double wrapped signature with outer trailing text. <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)</small></sup>text<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:32:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:32:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Trailing tags. <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)<span>foo<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></span><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|1"></span>Trailing void tags (br). <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)<br/><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|1"></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:29:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Wrapped signature. <small><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:29:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></small><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:29:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:30:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Double wrapped signature. <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)</small><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:30:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></sup><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:30:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:31:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Double wrapped signature with inner trailing text. <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:31, 2 November 2020 (UTC)</small>text<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:31:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></sup><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:31:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:31:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:32:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Double wrapped signature with outer trailing text. <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)</small></sup>text<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:32:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:32:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span>Trailing tags. <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)<span>foo<span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)"></span></span><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|1"></span>Trailing void tags (br). <a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex"><font color="green"><i>talk</i></font></a>) 18:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)<br/><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-11-02T18:33:00.000Z|hello_Matma_Rex_(talk)_18:27,_2_November_2020_(UTC)|1"></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|paragraph"></span>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|paragraph","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|paragraph"></span></p>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|paragraph"></span>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|paragraph","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|paragraph"></span></p>
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<pre><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|preformatted"></span>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|preformatted","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|preformatted"></span></pre>
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<pre><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|preformatted"></span>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|preformatted","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|preformatted"></span></pre>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment"></span>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment"></span>
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<h2 id="two_divs_with_one_comment" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|two_divs_with_one_comment|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|two_divs_with_one_comment|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span>two divs with one comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h|two_divs_with_one_comment|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment"></span>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment"></span>
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<h2 id="div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span>div with one comment, and some HTML comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h|div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2>
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<i><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments"></span>hello</i><br/>
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<small>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)</small><!-- blah --><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments"></span>
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<small>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)</small><!-- blah --><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-htmlcomments"></span>
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<h2 id="two_divs_with_one_comment-htmlcomments" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|two_divs_with_one_comment-htmlcomments|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment-htmlcomments"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|two_divs_with_one_comment-htmlcomments|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span>two divs with one comment, and some HTML comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h|two_divs_with_one_comment-htmlcomments|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment-htmlcomments","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment-htmlcomments"></span>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment-htmlcomments","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|two_divs_with_one_comment-htmlcomments"></span>
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<h2 id="div_with_one_comment-list_end" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|div_with_one_comment-list_end|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_end"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|div_with_one_comment-list_end|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span>div with one comment, ends with a list<span data-mw-comment-end="h|div_with_one_comment-list_end|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2>
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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_end"></span>hello</p>
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<ul><li>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_end","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_end"></span></li></ul>
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<ul><li>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_end","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_end"></span></li></ul>
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<h2 id="div_with_one_comment-list_start" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|div_with_one_comment-list_start|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_start"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|div_with_one_comment-list_start|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span>div with one comment, starts with a list<span data-mw-comment-end="h|div_with_one_comment-list_start|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2>
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<ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_start"></span>hello</li></ul>
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<p>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_start","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_start"></span></p>
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<p>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_start","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_one_comment-list_start"></span></p>
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<h2 id="table_with_one_comment" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|table_with_one_comment|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|table_with_one_comment"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|table_with_one_comment|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span>table with one comment<span data-mw-comment-end="h|table_with_one_comment|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|table_with_one_comment","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|table_with_one_comment"></span>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|table_with_one_comment","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|table_with_one_comment"></span>
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<h2 id="div_with_multiple_comments" data-mw-comment="{"type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h|div_with_multiple_comments|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments","c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments|1"],"headingLevel":2,"placeholderHeading":false}"><span data-mw-comment-start="h|div_with_multiple_comments|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span>div with multiple comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h|div_with_multiple_comments|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments|1"></span><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments|1"></span>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments|1"></span><span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments","replies":["c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|div_with_multiple_comments|1"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|1"></span>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|1"></span></dd></dl>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|table_with_multiple_comments|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|table_with_multiple_comments|1"></span>
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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|1"></span>blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|1"></span></dd></dl>
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blah blah <b><a href="/wiki/User:Matma_Rex" title="User:Matma Rex">Matma Rex</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Matma_Rex" title="User talk:Matma Rex">talk</a></b> 23:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)<span class="dt-init-replylink-buttons"><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="dt-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" data-mw-comment="{"type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|table_with_multiple_comments|1","replies":[],"timestamp":"2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Matma Rex"}" href="">reply</a><span class="dt-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c|Matma Rex|2020-01-22T23:19:00.000Z|table_with_multiple_comments|1"></span>
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